Irish PM says hard Brexit would raise issue of Irish unification

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

wow what a complete pile of nonsense that was 

 

 

several things that the SNP keep to themselves 

 

- the trade Scotland does in the UK

- The jobs created within the UK by the UK eg Shipbuilding

- The share of UK debt that Scotland would have to pay for at least 10 years at 10 billion a year

- the fact that a vote for independence is not that at all - you will take your orders from Brussels 

- you will have to adopt the Euro and monetary policy dictated from Brussels

 

The fantasy of the SNP is just that, I find it very hard to understand why Scottish people fall for this madness

 

The UK is a great force together - we have been through thick and thin - why would you want to get into bed with the Germans

 

someone explain that to me 

 

and I do apologize to any German folk reading this - I have met a few nice people from Germany but the British people will not accept this - you tried it before two times 

 

The UK will get back on top were it was before all this started - those that doubt that - a new era is coming, the British don't want to dominate the world - we just want to trade and be an independent free nation and allowed to govern ourselves 

 

we will trade freely with all of Europe - what is wrong with that ? 

 

 

Jingo laden hogwash.

 

The obligatory Germany ‘tried it twice’  and so assured that what is currently the UK would trade with Europe but unable to see an independent Scotland would do likewise.

 

 

[Bluespunk]

5 hours ago, sotonowl said:

I can see the merits of this, the Irish `Republic needs to come back under Westminster rule, and not before time.

Eire will never allow itself to be occupied by the british again.

 

No one welcomes the return of a cancer. 

[evadgib]

Prime Minister launches new Growth Deals funding as he kicks off Union visits in Scotland

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Prime Minister launches new Growth Deals funding as he kicks off Union visits in Scotland

More 'easy promises' predicated on a healthy economy. 

 

 

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

I like the Scottish people - they are being lied too and led down some stupid path of complete nonsense - we can blame Mel Gibson for showing his cheeks
 
The last vote they had they convinced some people in Scotland that oil revenue would save them - shortly after the vote oil went through the floor
 
if they want to go begging to Brussels to bale them out when the UK turn their back then that is up to them - it would definitely be the wrong thing to do and I hope enough of them realise they are being lied to, they are not being informed of the truth, what is Scotland trade level with the UK...…...seems it doesn't matter - nobody talks about that
 
we are better together

You questioned in one of your earlier rants on this thread why Scots want independence - I suggest you read all you posts again from a more objective standpoint. Notice how they are dripping in unwarranted arrogance and a thinly veiled contempt for your fellow countrymen and your neighbours. And then you say we are better together?

Of course, those are emotional characteristics and one should not base decisions as significant as independence on emotion, but the UK on a material level offers nothing to its minor members. It has been many a year since it held any significant power, and now it isn't even seen abroad as a toothless tiger; merely an embarrassing anachronism that serves the few and exploits the many.

Bluespunk said it better than me - the United Kingdom has been a cancer on the British Isles for 300 years. The sooner it is ended the better, for everyone all across those Isles.

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[Baerboxer]

Big mistake. I normally regard the Irish PM as quiet sensible and a good choice they made.

 

To start going down the line of stirring up nationalism in Norhern Ireland and Scotland and encouraging rebels is likely to be something that comes back and bites.

 

He has, or so I thought, the intelligence to be above this.

 

Irish citizens have always enjoyed extra benefits above other foreign nationals in the UK. Maybe they won't for much longer.

[Baerboxer]

15 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You questioned in one of your earlier rants on this thread why Scots want independence - I suggest you read all you posts again from a more objective standpoint. Notice how they are dripping in unwarranted arrogance and a thinly veiled contempt for your fellow countrymen and your neighbours. And then you say we are better together?

Of course, those are emotional characteristics and one should not base decisions as significant as independence on emotion, but the UK on a material level offers nothing to its minor members. It has been many a year since it held any significant power, and now it isn't even seen abroad as a toothless tiger; merely an embarrassing anachronism that serves the few and exploits the many.

Bluespunk said it better than me - the United Kingdom has been a cancer on the British Isles for 300 years. The sooner it is ended the better, for everyone all across those Isles.

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Bluespunk is Irish. Sad how Ireland was treated in the past for sure. But Ireland has been treated very favorably since WW11.

 

I despair when I read many social media comments on various sites that display an unwarranted and frankly unacceptable amount of racist, bigoted, nasty comments. Some are English, some Scottish, some Welsh and some Irish. There is a growth of hatred it seems in all regions. Which suggest, among other things, that the education system in the UK is failing. The age split is also quite worrying. Many of the Scots I see are such comments from are often young university educated people who display Celtic and racist slogans openly on their sites. 

 

Unless government, national, regional and local start to seriously address these issues, the future looks potentially very dangerous. Those politicians currently seeking to benefit from fueling such divisive behavior need to be dealt with seriously. 

[soalbundy]

On 7/28/2019 at 9:37 AM, lemonjelly said:

Scotland breaking away from the UK, the Irish troubles kicking off again; that pleb Farage will be sitting in some gentrified rural pub lecturing scared old folk on how none of it was his fault when it all goes horribly wrong.

No, he will be living on the continent, his business interests are in Ireland, his kids have German passports and his mistress is French.

[soalbundy]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Bluespunk is Irish. Sad how Ireland was treated in the past for sure. But Ireland has been treated very favorably since WW11.

 

I despair when I read many social media comments on various sites that display an unwarranted and frankly unacceptable amount of racist, bigoted, nasty comments. Some are English, some Scottish, some Welsh and some Irish. There is a growth of hatred it seems in all regions. Which suggest, among other things, that the education system in the UK is failing. The age split is also quite worrying. Many of the Scots I see are such comments from are often young university educated people who display Celtic and racist slogans openly on their sites. 

 

Unless government, national, regional and local start to seriously address these issues, the future looks potentially very dangerous. Those politicians currently seeking to benefit from fueling such divisive behavior need to be dealt with seriously. 

The division of Ireland is artificial, it is one country and should be reunited whatever happens. It would be a shame if Scotland left but that is up to its people, we've been together through thick and thin since 1707, those are bonds that aren't so easily broken.

[smedly]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

ou questioned in one of your earlier rants on this thread why Scots want independence - I suggest you read all you posts again from a more objective standpoint. Notice how they are dripping in unwarranted arrogance and a thinly veiled contempt for your fellow countrymen and your neighbours. And then you say we are better together?

I didn't say I liked all of them 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

Big mistake. I normally regard the Irish PM as quiet sensible and a good choice they made.

 

To start going down the line of stirring up nationalism in Norhern Ireland and Scotland and encouraging rebels is likely to be something that comes back and bites.

 

He has, or so I thought, the intelligence to be above this.

 

Irish citizens have always enjoyed extra benefits above other foreign nationals in the UK. Maybe they won't for much longer.

We are all aware stirring nationalism is acceptable in a Brexiteer or other right wing political group, but must be kept off limits to others.

[CG1 Blue]

16 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Further to the above:

 

Remember how Brexiters said Irish border wasn’t a problem?

 

Yes, and they said it because it's true

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, soalbundy said:

The division of Ireland is artificial, it is one country and should be reunited whatever happens. It would be a shame if Scotland left but that is up to its people, we've been together through thick and thin since 1707, those are bonds that aren't so easily broken.

Aren't all borders artificial, i.e. man made? Maybe England, Scotland and Wales should all become one country, and we could call it.....Great Britain? ????

[7by7]

19 hours ago, sotonowl said:

What a load of rubbish, do a bit of research before you start spouting <deleted>

 I did, hence my follow up post, which I will repeat for your benefit:

 

Remember how Brexiters said Irish border wasn’t a problem? 

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Boris Johnson, Arlene Foster and other Brexiters dismissed concerns about Irish border out of hand during referendum. The wilful ignorance is breathtaking.

Former prime ministers John Major and Tony Blair, who had done so much to bring peace to Northern Ireland, tried to warn about the dangers of Brexit in 2016. But the Leave campaign drowned them out.

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Further to the above:

 

Remember how Brexiters said Irish border wasn’t a problem?

 

Yes, and they said it because it's true

It obviously is, and has been for the last three years; no matter how much you Brexiteers deny it.

 

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, no matter how much you lot wish it were!

 

 

[sanemax]

31 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

It obviously is, and has been for the last three years; no matter how much you Brexiteers deny it.

 

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, no matter how much you lot wish it were!

 

 

The issues and situation  is a lot bigger than the Irish border , that is just a side issue (Yes, bomb us again all you like )

[evadgib]

10 hours ago, sanemax said:

The issues and situation  is a lot bigger than the Irish border , that is just a side issue (Yes, bomb us again all you like )

They wouldn't dare...

[BobBKK]

Give them back their nation and good riddance. Kills two birdies with one stone.

[7by7]

12 hours ago, sanemax said:

The issues and situation  is a lot bigger than the Irish border , that is just a side issue

 Who has said that the Irish border is the main issue? I certainly haven't. But it is more than a side issue.

 

12 hours ago, sanemax said:

(Yes, bomb us again all you like )

What an extraordinary comment. It seems that from your safe haven you don't care about innocents being murdered.

[7by7]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

They wouldn't dare...

 You really must keep up with current events. Maybe it's not being reported on the media you access, or maybe your perception filters screen it out; but dissident republicans have been 'daring' for some time!

 

Timeline of dissident republican activity

 

New IRA: The Derry estate in the shadow of paramilitaries

 

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

What an extraordinary comment. It seems that from your safe haven you don't care about innocents being murdered.

That was in reply to the numerous "threats" here on TV that the IRA would begin bombing again , if the Remainers dont get their own way

[7by7]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Give them back their nation and good riddance. Kills two birdies with one stone.

 

The nation which the majority of the people of Northern Ireland wish to belong to is the UK.

 

As part of the Good Friday agreement, both the UK and RoI governments agreed that Northern Ireland would remain part of the UK until and unless the majority there wished otherwise. Even Sinn Fein/IRA agreed to that.

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

10 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

What an extraordinary comment. It seems that from your safe haven you don't care about innocents being murdered.

That was in reply to the numerous "threats" here on TV that the IRA would begin bombing again , if the Remainers dont get their own way

 You said 

 

12 hours ago, sanemax said:

(Yes, bomb us again all you like )

 

Let others decide.

 

But, as said, you have obviously not noticed that the attacks by the 'New' IRA has increased, with some, so far minor, attacks in England.

 

Force Northern Ireland into the Republic against their will and how do you think Unionist terrorists will react?

 

Doesn't that concern you?

 

It concerns most people, Brexiteer or Remainer.

 

 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 You said 

 

 

Let others decide.

 

But, as said, you have obviously not noticed that the attacks by the 'New' IRA has increased, with some, so far minor, attacks in England.

 

Force Northern Ireland into the Republic against their will and how do you think Unionist terrorists will react?

 

Doesn't that concern you?

 

It concerns most people, Brexiteer or Remainer.

 

 

I havent suggesting forcing anyone to do anything

You may be getting me mixed up with Bob 

[7by7]

Just now, sanemax said:

I havent suggesting forcing anyone to do anything

You may be getting me mixed up with Bob 

 No, but you have said that you don't care if the bombing starts again.

 

12 hours ago, sanemax said:

(Yes, bomb us again all you like )

So going to answer the question, or follow your usual tactic of ignoring the difficult ones?

[7by7]

12 hours ago, sanemax said:

(Yes, bomb us again all you like )

But of course, for you it's not 'us' is it!

 

I don't recall any Irish terrorist, Republican or Unionist, ever bombing the British ex pat community in Thailand!

[sanemax]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 No, but you have said that you don't care if the bombing starts again.

 

So going to answer the question, or follow your usual tactic of ignoring the difficult ones?

You seem to have misunderstood me , I didnt say or mean that I didnt care , what I meant was they can make threats all they like .

  Threats if violence shouldnt be taken into consideration when negotiating 

[7by7]

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You seem to have misunderstood me , I didnt say or mean that I didnt care , what I meant was they can make threats all they like .

  Threats if violence shouldnt be taken into consideration when negotiating 

You said something stupid: be an adult and admit it. 

 

Your attempted justification is a few posts too late. 

[evadgib]

47 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 You really must keep up with current events. Maybe it's not being reported on the media you access, or maybe your perception filters screen it out; but dissident republicans have been 'daring' for some time!

 

Apply safety catch, dress back to my last post and have another attempt at working out what it actually says.

[soalbundy]

20 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Aren't all borders artificial, i.e. man made? Maybe England, Scotland and Wales should all become one country, and we could call it.....Great Britain? ????

No, there are river borders, sea borders, mountain range borders and borders of language, none of these apply to N.Ireland, it's a political border.