just been turned down for my married extension

[Peterw42]

24 minutes ago, glegolo said:

Yeah that is the cost and the resulat of using "agents" down in the human swamp of Jomtien/Pattaya. I guess the IO;s in P. Thani preferable do NOT want to even come near extensions done by these f:ng agents and their counterpoart IO;s in J/Pattaya....

 

Lesson learned I guess?? Or??

 

glegolo

Unless the IOP told them, Pthani immigration would have no idea the last extension was done by an agent. 

[sumrit]

11 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Unless the IOP told them, Pthani immigration would have no idea the last extension was done by an agent. 

Are you sure about that? Can you be sure nothing's flagged by IO's on Immigration's system?

 

It's not the first time it's been reported on TV that somebody has been refused a new extension at a different Immigration Office in a different part of Thailand after using a Pattaya agent to organise their first extension in Jomtien.

[Peterw42]

13 minutes ago, sumrit said:

Are you sure about that? Can you be sure nothing's flagged by IO's on Immigration's system?

 

It's not the first time it's been reported on TV that somebody has been refused a new extension at a different Immigration Office in a different part of Thailand after using a Pattaya agent to organise their first extension in Jomtien.

I have 5 extensions in my passport from 3 different offices and two of those were agent extensions, There is nothing in the passport or system to indicate an agent was used. I have even switched from an agent retire extension to a DIY marriage extension.

I cant recall any similar stories of people not being able to get an extension after using an agent, I recall a couple of stories where people have needed to move to the new office area to then do business with that office.

 

The means to getting an agent extension are less than legal but the extension you end up with is no different to any other.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Peterw42

[MJKT2014]

I flew in on a 30 day visa exempt, been here 11 years since. I applied for a 60 day extension based on marriage, I was then able to apply for a Non Imm O for the marriage all at CW immigration, with yearly extensions since. Absolutely no need to fly out of country when you are married with all the boxes ticked.

[sumrit]

16 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

I have 5 extensions in my passport from 3 different offices and two of those were agent extensions, There is nothing in the passport or system to indicate an agent was used. I have even switched from an agent retire extension to a DIY marriage extension.

I cant recall any similar stories of people not being able to get an extension after using an agent, I recall a couple of stories where people have needed to move to the new office area to then do business with that office.

I can't comment on your agent assisted extensions. They could well be 100% perfect and legitimate with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed, and I wouldn't suggest anything otherwise. Of course, your agent related extensions could also have been issued before  (some) Im Offices checked things more thoroughly.

 

The most recent story of somebody being refused was a thread here on TV a few months ago where an American who was living in Bangkok took somebody's advice and used an agent from Pattaya to arrange his first retirement extension. which was stamped in his passport. When, a year later, he tried to renew his extension in CW it was refused. From what I remember, financially he was totally ripped off by that Pattaya agent for his first extension as well.

Edited August 3, 2019 by sumrit

[Peterw42]

Just now, MJKT2014 said:

I flew in on a 30 day visa exempt, been here 11 years since. I applied for a 60 day extension based on marriage, I was then able to apply for a Non Imm O for the marriage all at CW immigration, with yearly extensions since. Absolutely no need to fly out of country when you are married with all the boxes ticked.

In theory yes, you haven't changed offices then tried to do an extension. In the OPs case it sounds like his office has a policy of not doing extensions unless the previous was done with that office.

[Peterw42]

1 minute ago, sumrit said:

I can't comment on your agent assisted extensions. They could well be 100% perfect and legitimate with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed, and I wouldn't suggest anything otherwise.

 

The most recent story of somebody being refused was a thread here on TV a few months ago where an American who was living in Bangkok took somebody's advice and used an agent from Pattaya to arrange his first retirement extension. which was stamped in his passport. When, a year later, he tried to renew his extension in CW it was refused. From what I remember, financially he was totally ripped off by that Pattaya agent for his first extension as well.

If its the one I am thinking, the guy was still doing 90 days etc in pattaya and hadn't moved to CW (tm28,tm30 etc) on paper.

[glegolo]

49 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Unless the IOP told them, Pthani immigration would have no idea the last extension was done by an agent. 

Plse do not say that so categoricly...... If the agent "fix" this extension within 1-3 days and it is seasoned money involved, than the WHOLE WORLD can see in this guys passport datewaise, that it is a fraud and it is being done by a corrupt immigration officer...

 

glegolo

[sumrit]

3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

In theory yes, you haven't changed offices then tried to do an extension. In the OPs case it sounds like his office has a policy of not doing extensions unless the previous was done with that office.

Or unless possible anomalies in the previous extension obtained at a different office show up on their system. 

[sumrit]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

If its the one I am thinking, the guy was still doing 90 days etc in pattaya and hadn't moved to CW (tm28,tm30 etc) on paper.

No, not the same story, and nothing to do with TM30's, TM28's.

 

I don't remember all of the story but I remember the first thing that made CW suspicious was the length of time he'd been living in Bangkok meant he couldn't have been living in Pattaya when he obtained his first extension. That extension must have been (illegally) 'arranged' by the agent

Edited August 3, 2019 by sumrit

[Peterw42]

3 minutes ago, glegolo said:

Plse do not say that so categoricly...... If the agent "fix" this extension within 1-3 days and it is seasoned money involved, than the WHOLE WORLD can see in this guys passport datewaise, that it is a fraud and it is being done by a corrupt immigration officer...

 

glegolo

Whats in the passport that is any different ? its a stamp, signed by an IO. There is no seasoning was ok/not ok stamp. The stamp in the passport says you met all the requirements. 

You cant say categorically the OP was refused because an agent did the previous extn, his office probably doesnt to any extension where they didnt do the previous.

[glegolo]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Whats in the passport that is any different ? its a stamp, signed by an IO. There is no seasoning was ok/not ok stamp. The stamp in the passport says you met all the requirements. 

You cant say categorically the OP was refused because an agent did the previous extn, his office probably doesnt to any extension where they didnt do the previous.

OK I explain it to you if you didn´t know.... IF the VISA in the passport is a new one together with the extension-stamp, THEN the whole world will see datewise what is going on, and THAT is fully seen in the passport.

 

glegolo

[sumrit]

5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

You cant say categorically the OP was refused because an agent did the previous extn, his office probably doesnt to any extension where they didnt do the previous.

Unless, of course, the IO's tag a persons Immigration file with a code of some sort that says an agent has been used to process the application.

[Peterw42]

10 minutes ago, sumrit said:

No, not the same story, and nothing to do with TM30's, TM28's.

If you are doing 90 days/extensions with an office then move to another office, at some point you need to officially move to the new office otherwise as far as the new office is concerned you still live at the old office. You cant use a new office for 90 days or extensions etc until you move there.

Next time your extension is due, jump on a plane and try and do the extension in another office, they wont do it or they will process tm28, tm30 etc to move you to the new office then process you.

[Mitkof Island]

9 hours ago, dayo202 said:

loi, 2 days and 1 night in laos Vientiane/

full package going to cost me 8000B

 

That is a rip off.

[sumrit]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

If you are doing 90 days/extensions with an office then move to another office, at some point you need to officially move to the new office otherwise as far as the new office is concerned you still live at the old office. You cant use a new office for 90 days or extensions etc until you move there.

Next time your extension is due, jump on a plane and try and do the extension in another office, they wont do it or they will process tm28, tm30 etc to move you to the new office then process you.

That's true, but WASN'T the problem in the case as I remember it.

Edited August 3, 2019 by sumrit

[Don Mega]

7 minutes ago, glegolo said:

OK I explain it to you if you didn´t know.... IF the VISA in the passport is a new one together with the extension-stamp, THEN the whole world will see datewise what is going on, and THAT is fully seen in the passport.

 

glegolo

Excuse my ignorance but how does a date in a passport show if the money was seasoned or not ?

[Peterw42]

4 minutes ago, glegolo said:

OK I explain it to you if you didn´t know.... IF the VISA in the passport is a new one together with the extension-stamp, THEN the whole world will see datewise what is going on, and THAT is fully seen in the passport.

 

glegolo

That only happens on the first extension, agent or no agent. I can enter on a tourist convert to O visa then get an extension, it doesn't mean I used an agent. Me and you can go to immigration on the same day, you can DIY, I can use an agent, the stamps are identical.

[BritManToo]

56 minutes ago, sumrit said:

Are you sure about that? Can you be sure nothing's flagged by IO's on Immigration's system?

 

It's not the first time it's been reported on TV that somebody has been refused a new extension at a different Immigration Office in a different part of Thailand after using a Pattaya agent to organise their first extension in Jomtien.

I've not read that happening before, link please.

 

Every extension is new and standalone, that's why they want all the paperwork again.

Edited August 3, 2019 by BritManToo

[MJKT2014]

27 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

30 minutes ago, MJKT2014 said:

I flew in on a 30 day visa exempt, been here 11 years since. I applied for a 60 day extension based on marriage, I was then able to apply for a Non Imm O for the marriage all at CW immigration, with yearly extensions since. Absolutely no need to fly out of country when you are married with all the boxes ticked.

In theory yes, you haven't changed offices then tried to do an extension. In the OPs case it sounds like his office has a policy of not doing extensions unless the previous was done with that office.

Shouldn't make any difference, its the law of the land, so should be no need to leave country. I think glegolo is probably right in that the Jomtien agents have thrown a spanner in the works. O/p could come in on a 30 day exempt border run to save money also and extend from there since he's married.

[glegolo]

Just now, Don Mega said:

Excuse my ignorance but how does a date in a passport show if the money was seasoned or not ?

The date of the VISA and the date on the extension-stamp

 

glegolo

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, glegolo said:

The date of the VISA and the date on the extension-stamp

 

glegolo

Sorry but iam not understanding, can you explain in more detail please.

[glegolo]

Just now, Don Mega said:

Sorry but iam not understanding, can you explain in more detail please.

No,

 

glegolo

[transam]

10 hours ago, dayo202 said:

No IO said because my O imm visa was processed and approved in jomtien I couldn't renew

in  pathum thani, IO told my wife it don't matter what extension  I was going to apply for.

More officialdom daft stuff.....????

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, glegolo said:

No,

 

glegolo

Thanks, so I assume you are just talking shit then.

[scubascuba3]

Unless, of course, the IO's tag a persons Immigration file with a code of some sort that says an agent has been used to process the application.

Do you think they also tag if you've gone direct to Immigration and missed out the agent?

[glegolo]

Just now, Don Mega said:

Thanks, so I assume you are just talking shit then.

No but I can see questions not really being questions......

And YOU posted just THAT!!

 

glegolo

[Peterw42]

A DIY extension the box gets ticked that you met all the requirement. An agent extension the same box gets ticked that you met all the requirements. Maybe you didnt meet all the requirements "BUT" an IO ticked the box anyway. So far as the system or your passport is concerned there is a tick in the "met requirements" box. They then use the same stamp in your passport. 

They are not stamping passports were it hasnt been okayed by an IO, a high ranking IO who can ok anything.

[sumrit]

1 minute ago, Don Mega said:

Thanks, so I assume you are just talking shit then.

No. he's not. 

 

My mate was offered a back hand extension directly from an IO in Jomtien 3-4 years ago on his first ever visit to Thailand. He refused the offer and did thing 'legally'. But the offer was to change his 30 day exempt to a 90 day non O, then give him a 12 month retirement extension and a multi re-entry permit, all for 15k and completed in about three days.

 

Even without other 'anomalies', He couldn't open a bank account before he arrived here so it was impossible for him to have seasoned the 800K baht for three months. The process he was offered had to be illegal for that reason alone.

[Don Mega]

2 minutes ago, sumrit said:

No. he's not. 

 

My mate was offered a back hand extension directly from an IO in Jomtien 3-4 years ago on his first ever visit to Thailand. He refused the offer and did thing 'legally'. But the offer was to change his 30 day exempt to a 90 day non O, then give him a 12 month retirement extension and a multi re-entry permit, all for 15k and completed in about three days.

 

Even without other 'anomalies', He couldn't open a bank account before he arrived here so it was impossible for him to have seasoned the 800K baht for three months. The process he was offered had to be illegal for that reason alone.

Thanks for the explanation.. I understand what he was dribbling about now.