Best windows to get

[bert bloggs]

For years i have been on windows xp (yes i know) but i was going to upgrade as my vpn no longer works on it ,so any advice ,windows 7/8/10 what is your advice ,also i want to transfer everything i have on xp over , any advice appreciated.

i only really use my computer to come on here,read the paper ,banking and e mail ,although i usually read the news and e mail on my phone .

[olivierf20]

Hi, Windows 7 is pretty good, but quite old already, 8 sucks, and 10 is quite good, and many XP programs still work on it, so my advice would be to go to the latest Windows 10, this way you wont have to worry for at least a decade before maybe having to change again ????

[Isaanbiker]

If you want to have W 10, go for the W 10 Pro version, never a single language version.

 

  You can buy a genuine key from ebay for around 250 baht, sometimes even less.

 

  Save all the files you want on your drive D, but be aware that all would be gone if you format the drive.

 

Best option is to save your files on an external drive. 

 

  Should you run W 7 now, you can still upgrade for free. It's totally legal and you're not doing anything against the laws. With this procedure, you won't lose any programs that you've got on your machine.

 

   https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/

Edited August 12, 2019 by Isaanbiker

[JamJar]

1 hour ago, Isaanbiker said:

If you want to have W 10, go for the W 10 Pro version, never a single language version.

 

  You can buy a genuine key from ebay for around 250 baht, sometimes even less.

 

  Save all the files you want on your drive D, but be aware that all would be gone if you format the drive.

 

Best option is to save your files on an external drive. 

 

  Should you run W 7 now, you can still upgrade for free. It's totally legal and you're not doing anything against the laws. With this procedure, you won't lose any programs that you've got on your machine.

 

   https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/

 

Not if you leave that partition alone during the install. But more importantly, one should know something about the device, so see if it is currently suitable for a modern operating system.

So bert should post the spec of the laptop/PC here before attempting anything.

[OneMoreFarang]

Install the newest Windows which runs on your device which will be Windows 10 most of the time.

All new software is designed for Windows 10

All new periphery (printer, etc.) will run (maybe only) with Windows 10

Windows 10 has support as long as possible (important updates)

And if you have to learn anyhow something new then why not the latest version?

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

Save all the files you want on your drive D, but be aware that all would be gone if you format the drive.

 

Best option is to save your files on an external drive. 

No and No

Windows has default folders on drive C for My Documents, etc.

Any "additions" like file history (backup), ransomware protection, etc. all works perfect with the default folders.

In theory it is possible to use other folders but it's complicated to set this up correctly and some software just ignores these settings. There is no downside of having everything on C. If you want to copy or backup just your data backup the folder c:\users\yourname

 

Additionally to above an external drive is even worse because some programs (i.e. Outlook) won't work if files are missing (i.e. not connected drive or bad contact or different drive letter, etc.).

And worst case are applications which find out the files which they expect are not there and then the application will create new files, sometimes without asking you. Try sorting that out later - it's no fun.

 

For non-specialists it makes a lot of sense to leave everything just the way Windows decides to set it. It will work most of the time and if it does not work you can easily find answers on the web because most other people also use the default settings and folders.

 

And most computer professionals also use defaults because it works. There is no point to "improve" something which works just fine.

[DogNo1]

Hardware is the main concern.  If your hardware is too old, you may need a new machine.  Why not upgrade to a new computer with Windows 10 installed?  Otherwise, you're looking at your hardware becoming obsolete at some time.  In particular Win 10 drivers for some devices may become unavailable.  I have had a number of old machines which couldn't be upgraded to Win 10 due to incompatible hardware. 

[JamJar]

2 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:

Hardware is the main concern.  If your hardware is too old, you may need a new machine.  Why not upgrade to a new computer with Windows 10 installed?  Otherwise, you're looking at your hardware becoming obsolete at some time.  In particular Win 10 drivers for some devices may become unavailable.  I have had a number of old machines which couldn't be upgraded to Win 10 due to incompatible hardware. 

 

I have never seen that. Unless you are writing about devices built prior to 2007, it seems unlikely.

 

But in the case of the OP, we still need to know what he is running. In some cases it simply won't be worth the effort. In other, a simple upgrade will keep it useful.

[JamJar]

25 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No and No

Windows has default folders on drive C for My Documents, etc.

Any "additions" like file history (backup), ransomware protection, etc. all works perfect with the default folders.

In theory it is possible to use other folders but it's complicated to set this up correctly and some software just ignores these settings. There is no downside of having everything on C. If you want to copy or backup just your data backup the folder c:\users\yourname

 

Additionally to above an external drive is even worse because some programs (i.e. Outlook) won't work if files are missing (i.e. not connected drive or bad contact or different drive letter, etc.).

And worst case are applications which find out the files which they expect are not there and then the application will create new files, sometimes without asking you. Try sorting that out later - it's no fun.

 

For non-specialists it makes a lot of sense to leave everything just the way Windows decides to set it. It will work most of the time and if it does not work you can easily find answers on the web because most other people also use the default settings and folders.

 

And most computer professionals also use defaults because it works. There is no point to "improve" something which works just fine.

 

 

I would forget about attempting apply an XP based backup to a new Windows 10 install.

 

If he is running XP, which version of Outlook do you think that he might be running? I think he should forget about this pipe dream.

 

Still waiting for details of the PC. Otherwise this thread is a waste of time.

 

 

[bert bloggs]

10 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

 

I would forget about attempting apply an XP based backup to a new Windows 10 install.

 

If he is running XP, which version of Outlook do you think that he might be running? I think he should forget about this pipe dream.

 

Still waiting for details of the PC. Otherwise this thread is a waste of time.

 

 

its a 2010 HP PAVILION P6000 SERIES. does that help? plus i have loads of pics on it and a lot of tv series that i download from PB . etc i also have a buffalo mini station portable usb 2 hard drive. can i get everything downloaded onto that and then back to the computer?

Edited August 12, 2019 by bert bloggs

[JamJar]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

its a 2010 HP PAVILION P6000 SERIES. does that help? plus i have loads of pics on it and a lot of tv series that i download from PB . etc i also have a buffalo mini station portable usb 2 hard drive. can i get everything downloaded onto that and then back to the computer?

 

It helps, though current specification would be better. We'll get to that later.

Certainly looks good enough for Windows 10, at first glance.

What I recommend is that you don't touch the current drive within, but you add a solid state drive, to be your primary, to the setup.

The benefit of this is that, your PC will be much faster than it ever was before, you'll have more space for storage and you will have full access to all of the data on the old hard drive.

 

If in Thailand, I imagine prices for SSD begin from 750 baht or so. Windows 10 Pro key, perhaps 100 baht.

I'm guessing that you have a low amount of RAM installed. So we are looking at the 32 bit version. 

RAM in Thailand is relatively expensive. Personally I would like to have 4GB as a minimum and to install Windows 10 Pro 64 bit.

But again, we can look at that and the costs if you would like to go forward.

 

The fitting of the SSD is a relatively simple job that you can do for yourself, if you can follow a simple guide.

You can probably get a shop to fit it for you for a few hundred baht, but then you'll have to trust them with your PC and data.

Better to do it yourself. It's easy.

 

But first, let's get the full model number; https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/bph07555

 

If you are interested in sorting out the recommended upgrades to your PC, let me know and I'll talk you through it.

 

[JamJar]

This video will give you an understanding of the improvement experienced after adding a solid state drive to your PC;

 

 

 

The one in the top left hand corner represents something similar to what you are running now. The one underneath it, shows the difference if you add an SSD. The one to the right of that shows the difference with adding more RAM to one already with SSD. the one above that shows with more RAM, but no SSD.

 

Adding an SSD is singularly the best thing most people can do to upgrade their computers to utilise a modern operating system..

Edited August 12, 2019 by JamJar

[JamJar]

You need to click on the video to play it. ???? Some people just look at the screen, without clicking on it....thinking that it is just a picture.

 

Alternatively;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn6zxoh3oK4

 

[thaiguzzi]

10.

[wisperone]

MS is going to stop supporting W7 later this year...which means no more security updates etc.

I have 7 on my desktop, and 10 on my laptop. I much prefer 7. Can find what I am looking for much easier than 10. It all gets more complicated now if not tech savvy????

[JamJar]

4 hours ago, wisperone said:

MS is going to stop supporting W7 later this year...which means no more security updates etc.

I have 7 on my desktop, and 10 on my laptop. I much prefer 7. Can find what I am looking for much easier than 10. It all gets more complicated now if not tech savvy????

It's actually early next year...

Give an example of what you find difficult with Windows 10.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

12 hours ago, JamJar said:

I would forget about attempting apply an XP based backup to a new Windows 10 install.

 

If he is running XP, which version of Outlook do you think that he might be running? I think he should forget about this pipe dream.

 

Still waiting for details of the PC. Otherwise this thread is a waste of time.

All above applies to the backup which is part of Windows 10 which works just fine.

And any Outlook version uses .pst and/or .ost files locally.

[bert bloggs]

So ,will i be able to transfer all my stuff from xp to 7 or 10 ? dont forget i am not to tech savvy

[JamJar]

4 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

So ,will i be able to transfer all my stuff from xp to 7 or 10 ? dont forget i am not to tech savvy

 

As I stated earlier, If you adopt my idea of moving to SSD, then yes. All of your data will be intact on the old drive. 

The only thing I would recommend that you do beforehand, is to export your Bookmarks/Favourites from your Browsers of choice.

Fitting an SSD would allow you to install Windows 10 to the solid state drive, leaving the original hard drive untouched.

If you don't do that, you will erase everything on the current drive. So if you forgot something, it would be gone forever. 

You could create a complete image of the current drive, but installing your new OS on to a nine year old HDD would be folly. 

So, once  again, fitting an SSD should be your choice.

Now, what about the full model number of the PC?

 

[WorriedNoodle]

42 minutes ago, JamJar said:

As I stated earlier, If you adopt my idea of moving to SSD, then yes. All of your data will be intact on the old drive. 

I think what the o/p wants is to seamlessly transfer from using an obsolete XP machine to a modern Win10 machine with all the installed apps and the associated app settings transferred as well. I used a free program called CloneApp for this end and it worked well, but it doesn't go back as far as XP operating systems sorry.

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, JamJar said:

 

As I stated earlier, If you adopt my idea of moving to SSD, then yes. All of your data will be intact on the old drive. 

The only thing I would recommend that you do beforehand, is to export your Bookmarks/Favourites from your Browsers of choice.

Fitting an SSD would allow you to install Windows 10 to the solid state drive, leaving the original hard drive untouched.

If you don't do that, you will erase everything on the current drive. So if you forgot something, it would be gone forever. 

You could create a complete image of the current drive, but installing your new OS on to a nine year old HDD would be folly. 

So, once  again, fitting an SSD should be your choice.

Now, what about the full model number of the PC?

 

the full model no is p6575and i think its got a 1 at the end ,would i be able to do what i want if i just baught a new machine?

[JamJar]

11 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

the full model no is p6575and i think its got a 1 at the end ,would i be able to do what i want if i just baught a new machine?

 

What is it that you want? It makes no difference, other than simply adding an SSD being much cheaper. There is no guarantee that applications from Windows XP will work regardless.

Best to make a clean start, install up to date applications and copy over any data you want from the old drive. 

Which is what you would do with a new device anyway. In addition, your new PC is still unlikely to have a solid state drive on-board.

 

Is it this one? http://rarkar.com/en/product/13000734-HP-Pavilion-P6575L-BN642AA-AKL

 

This is the kind of product code I need to see; BN642AA#AKL Is it that one or another?

 

Bought in Thailand or elsewhere?

 

If it is that one, the processor specification is still good now; 

 

 

Would really fly(relatively) with an SSD on-board.

 

Though I would also move to 4 GB of RAM, if there is just 2 GB.

 

 

[JamJar]

RAM is also ridiculously easy to fit. Both tasks are user friendly. You should be able to fit both parts within five minutes, even with no experience. 

Unplug two leads from the back of the old HDD and connect them to the new SSD. Slot in the new RAM. that's it for the first stage.

Then a matter of installing Windows 10. Again very easy with instructions.

So you could be up and running within the hour, if you have everything prepared beforehand.

 

Then to reconnect the old drive(you'll then have two drives attached). That way you'll also have access to the old drive at the same time. You can take your time in moving over any data you wish, at your leisure.

 

[bert bloggs]

19 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

What is it that you want? It makes no difference, other than simply adding an SSD being much cheaper. There is no guarantee that applications from Windows XP will work regardless.

Best to make a clean start, install up to date applications and copy over any data you want from the old drive. 

Which is what you would do with a new device anyway. In addition, your new PC is still unlikely to have a solid state drive on-board.

 

Is it this one? http://rarkar.com/en/product/13000734-HP-Pavilion-P6575L-BN642AA-AKL

 

This is the kind of product code I need to see; BN642AA#AKL Is it that one or another?

 

Bought in Thailand or elsewhere?

 

If it is that one, the processor specification is still good now; 

 

 

Would really fly(relatively) with an SSD on-board.

 

Though I would also move to 4 GB of RAM, if there is just 2 GB.

 

 

yes thats the product code on it

[bert bloggs]

2 minutes ago, JamJar said:

RAM is also ridiculously easy to fit. Both tasks are user friendly. You should be able to fit both parts within five minutes, even with no experience. 

Unplug two leads from the back of the old HDD and connect them to the new SSD. Slot in the new RAM. that's it for the first stage.

Then a matter of installing Windows 10. Again very easy with instructions.

So you could be up and running within the hour, if you have everything prepared beforehand.

 

Then to reconnect the old drive(you'll then have two drives attached). That way you'll also have access to the old drive at the same time. You can take your time in moving over any data you wish, at your leisure.

 

Whats ridiculously easy for you is AAAAAAAGH FOR ME???? your not in Pattaya are you ,lol

[JamJar]

I should add that I've guided quite a few older people through exactly this process. Including women. Possibly even older than yourself. One recently mentioned that he is seventy seven. So no excuses. ???? They have completed it with no issues and are very happy with the results.

So if you can follow simple guides, you can and should do it yourself.

[JamJar]

Just now, bert bloggs said:

Whats ridiculously easy for you is AAAAAAAGH FOR ME???? your not in Pattaya are you ,lol

 

No, if I state that it is easy, it is easy.

The only issue for you is that you don't know how. But if you just follow a guide step by step, you will complete the task and have a level of satisfaction in doing it.

Then perhaps you can pass on your new knowledge to your friends, instead of running to Tukcom to get ripped off for the smallest jobs.

[JamJar]

Example of RAM; https://www.invadeit.co.th/product/memory/kingston/2gb-ddr3-1333mhz-cl9-dimm-1x2gb-kvr13n9s6-2-p037940/

 

or

 

 

https://www.invadeit.co.th/product/memory/kingston/4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-cl9-dimm-1x4gb-kvr13n9s8-4-p014512/

 

SSD; https://www.invadeit.co.th/category/solid-state-drives-ssd/120gb-128gb/sort/price/asc/

 

or

 

https://www.invadeit.co.th/category/solid-state-drives-ssd/240gb-275gb/sort/price/asc/

 

or

 

https://www.invadeit.co.th/category/solid-state-drives-ssd/480gb-525gb/sort/price/asc/

 

 

Dependent on the amount of storage space you would like and how much you would like to spend.

 

Much cheaper than buying another PC. Plus, as I stated inexpensive new PC won't have SSD fitted anyway. So a total waste of money to buy a new PC, if the old one is still mechanically sound.