UK plans to end EU freedom of movement immediately in no-deal Brexit

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

As usual an obtuse and meaningless post. I'll put this one on the list too.

Christ, are you Koko now the lord high executioner from the Mikado.

 

He's got you on his list

He's got you on his list

I don't think you'll be missed

I'm sure you'll not be missed

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[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

By the way, over 50% of the cost to the NHS is due to British expats abusing the system.

Well that's a link I'd like to see. Plus they're not abusing the system if they're anything like me. 45 years of NI contributions and still paying more tax than many in the UK.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Well that's a link I'd like to see. Plus they're not abusing the system if they're anything like me. 45 years of NI contributions and still paying more tax than many in the UK.

Doesn't matter how long you've paid in. If not living in the UK you are not entitled to NHS services.

[juice777]

UK citizens will always be able to travel visa-free for 3 months in the EU. Don't know what tiny-brained mouse told you otherwise.

Got any proof any word form the EU on this and it was forever before what's better?
Plus now there will probably be tit for tact by the EU can't blame them can you I wonder how many retired people will be returning home to use the NHS let's just hope there Are enough Nurses and medicine to go around.

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[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Doesn't matter how long you've paid in. If not living in the UK you are not entitled to NHS services.

It matters a lot to me when I've paid 45 years NI and continue to pay tax in the UK.

[Bullie]

3 hours ago, superal said:

You are clearly not a UK citizen because if you were you need to get out more .

Insular ?  The UK has become a multi racial society , however integration is uncommon .  Racial discrimination is not tolerated in any shape or form by the UK government . Newcomers to the UK get big benefits , much more that most of the other European countries and that is why  asylum seekers bypass  countries to get to the UK . Whilst ironically the UK state pension is frugal to the life time indigenous workers . 

 

Xenophobic ?  Please qualify ,  for the last 100 years European countries owe much to the UK military and what would of happened if they had not got involved and helped other European countries ?                                  In recent times the UK has welcomed many foreign workers however in some cases to the detriment of UK nationalists . There is nothing wrong with putting your own people first and thereafter aliens to be considered on qualifications and merit . The UK immigration system under TM was out of control with huge numbers of illegal immigrants and now hopefully that will change under  BJ .

 

Finally I am somewhat disappointed if what is being reported in the press is true and that is the BJ statement saying if the Irish border issue is conceded by the EU a deal is on the table . That means we will still be under the EU control and without any votes or voice .   

" What would have happened had they not gotten involved". As far as I remember you were involved because mr. Hitler decided to conquer Britain. Like you, "other European countries" were mainly helped by the UsA and Russia. Were it not for them we would now all be eating sausages and speak German, albeit in your case with an Anglo-Saxon accent.

So stop beating your chest please, the waves have not been ruled by the Brits for a very, very long time now.

[Jip99]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Doesn't matter how long you've paid in. If not living in the UK you are not entitled to NHS services.

 

 

Good reason for keeping 'active' on doctor's books.

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This’ll go the same way as the UK visa income requirements.

 

The xenophobes on TVF were cheering and woopying, until it occurred that so many could not themselves meet the requirements.

 

Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of children in the UK and EU have a mix of British and other EU nationality parents. This proposal will cause real harm to families, real legal challenges and very real costs to the nation.

 

A spiteful hogwash feed for the xenophobes amongst the dwindling supporter of Brexit.

 

If implemented it would certainly result in cruel outcomes, but for the xenophobes that’s all part of the purpose.

 

 

 

Did you even read the article?

 

The Home Office said there would be no change to planned rules for EU citizens and their families already living in Britain by the end of October, who would still have until at least the end of December 2020 to apply to Britain’s EU Settlement Scheme.

 

No one eligible for settled status would be barred from re-entering Britain when free movement ends, the Home Office said.

 

I really don't understand how supporting an Australian style points based system can be deemed as "spiteful", "cruel" and "xenophobic". You can't argue against the real arguments so you create a Straw Man argument and attack that instead. I'm surprised you didn't call me racist as well but since I've said many times that I'd prefer a Doctor/Nurse from India/Africa than an unskilled worker from France/Germany then I guess that tag would be pushing it, even for you.

 

The country needs to decide what skills it needs and then attract the people to fill those roles. Irrespective of the country in the passport. If you deem that cruel and xenophobic then I'd politely suggest you are becoming somewhat hysterical. If you don't meet the criteria for staying, you cannot stay. That's how pretty much every country in the world controls their immigration including Thailand. It's been very successful in Australia which has become a vibrant multi-cultural country. But then they don't just let anyone in based on a trading relationship they signed up to 40 years ago that morphed into something else without consulting the electorate.

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

It matters a lot to me when I've paid 45 years NI and continue to pay tax in the UK.

 

 

+1

[david555]

18 minutes ago, Bullie said:

UK citizens will always be able to travel visa-free for 3 months in the EU. Don't know what tiny-brained mouse told you otherwise.

This was proposed / granted , if same for E.U. people in the U.K. under May's negotiation …. but with the blow up  changes Boris planned, this could also be reviewed , up to now no E.U. reaction on his plans ….but I may expect if become serious then they shall also limit it for U.K. ones in E.U.  as a "this for that".. you know ...

(But I think they know Bojo enough take him not serious...)

Edited August 21, 2019 by david555

[MRToMRT]

8 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

By the way, over 50% of the cost to the NHS is due to British expats abusing the system.

 

I was surprised when I read the page as well that I realized if I get ill in the UK and seek treatment  I am considered a "medical tourist".

Saddened me a bit.

[juice777]

 I would not dream of criticising someone about what opinions he may form from what he sees in which ever country he may live be it Thailand or anywhere else.
 
But by the same token I don't expect to be criticised for my opinions about wherever I may live especially when it's my own country and where generations of my people have lived for thousands of years.
 
 I dare say Trump feels the same way about his country even though his forebears were relative newcomers to that part of the world.

"generations of my people have lived for thousands of years."

Amusing you are white hats probably a mix of all European nations Jewish and maybe a bit of African ever had your DNA tested?

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[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Good reason for keeping 'active' on doctor's books.

So NHS abuse by Polish workers is not good by by unentitled expats is ok.

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

 

I was surprised when I read the page as well that I realized if I get ill in the UK and seek treatment  I am considered a "medical tourist".

Saddened me a bit.

It's actually rubbish. Was explored fully in the KiT cancer thread.

 

I see my GP annually in the UK and get 12 weekly repeat prscriptions sent out to me.

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

So NHS abuse by Polish workers is not good by by unentitled expats is ok.

 

 

Not until they start paying in.

 

 

It would be like the UK wanting all benefits from the eU and not paying anything for it............... you wouldn't like that.

[stevenl]

Just now, Jip99 said:

 

 

Not until they start paying in.

 

 

It would be like the UK wanting all benefits from the eU and not paying anything for it............... you wouldn't like that.

If living in the UK, so entitled to NHS services, they are paying in.

 

It really is easy: living in the UK you're entitled to NHS, if not living there but still using the services you're abusing the system.

[yogi100]

13 minutes ago, Bullie said:

15,000 asylumseekers made it to Britain, last year. Tiny Holland took 38,000. Polish people come to work, and bring prosperity.

Getting out of the EU will not stop 240,000 Pakistanis and Indians from immigrating on a yearly basis, I'm afraid, to " avail themselves of the services etc.". Maybe Britain should not have " availed itself" of the riches of these two wonderful countries for 300 years. Tit for tat.

 

They're getting their own back. The 7.7.05 bombings were the work of Pakistanis Muslims and one of their co religionists carried out the Manchester Arena atrocity.

 

The Poles don't bring prosperity to British working men, they put 'em on benefits that the rest of us have to pay for, that's not prosperity.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

They're getting their own back. The 7.7.05 bombings were the work of Pakistanis Muslims

British Pakistani Moslems. Born and bred here. Are you thinking of "sending them back to where they came from"? Where would that be? Bradford?

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

No need. Black skin/ brown skin = dirty foreigner. White skin = true Brit. It's the Brexiteer way. And who says Brexit wasn't all about immigration/ racial prejudice? Where's Tommy Robinson when you need him? Oh, I forgot, behind bars.

"No need. Black skin/ brown skin = dirty foreigner. White skin = true Brit. It's the Brexiteer way."

 

Sadly, I've no doubt that you (as a remainer) genuinely believe this to be true. 

 

Perhaps it's time for us ALL to move beyond the stupid stereotypes inflicted upon us by MSM and politicians?

Edited August 21, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

The Poles don't bring prosperity to British working men, they put 'em on benefits that the rest of us have to pay for, that's not prosperity.

There is not a fixed cap on jobs. More people means more more ideas, more entrepreneurship, more wealth creation, more development and... more opportunities for all. 

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

If living in the UK, so entitled to NHS services, they are paying in.

 

It really is easy: living in the UK you're entitled to NHS, if not living there but still using the services you're abusing the system.

 

 

I will try and live with myself....

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, <deleted> dasterdly said:

"No need. Black skin/ brown skin = dirty foreigner. White skin = true Brit. It's the Brexiteer way."

 

Sadly, I've no doubt that you (as a remainer) genuinely believe this to be true. 

 

Perhaps it's time for us ALL to move beyond the stupid stereotypes inflicted upon us by MSM?

Check the posts by the poster I was replying to. You've taken my post completely out of context.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I will try and live with myself....

Sure, but complaining about health tourism or other forms of NHS abuse would be hypocritical.

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, stevenl said:

Sure, but complaining about health tourism or other forms of NHS abuse would be hypocritical.

Not true. Health tourists haven't paid 45 years of NI contributions and continue to pay large amounts of Income Tax into the UK economy.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

Not true. Health tourists haven't paid 45 years of NI contributions and continue to pay large amounts of Income Tax into the UK economy.

Doesn't matter, you're not entitled therefor abusing the system.

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Well that's a link I'd like to see. Plus they're not abusing the system if they're anything like me. 45 years of NI contributions and still paying more tax than many in the UK.

NI contributions do not fund the NHS, its paid for from general taxation, including the taxes paid for by immigrants, and tourists. 

[transam]

26 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So NHS abuse by Polish workers is not good by by unentitled expats is ok.

Expats paid into the system that treated folk during that time all their working life...Now if you are a Brit that thinks a pensioner with his feet up anywhere on the globe should not be looked after then you deserve a talking too..

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Doesn't matter, you're not entitled therefor abusing the system.

I am entitled. Read my lips, I've paid 45 years worrth of NI contributions and continue to pay substantial amounts of tax into the UK economy. In my book, that makes me entitled. Would you rather I allowed the government to screw me over royally?

 

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So NHS abuse by Polish workers is not good by by unentitled expats is ok.

If the Polish workers are living, working and paying in the UK, how are they abusing the NHS.

 

That they are also generally young, fit and in the prime of life and not likely to be using the NHS suggests the idea of Polish workers abusing the NHS is hogwash. 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, <deleted> dasterdly said:

"No need. Black skin/ brown skin = dirty foreigner. White skin = true Brit. It's the Brexiteer way."

 

Sadly, I've no doubt that you (as a remainer) genuinely believe this to be true. 

 

Perhaps it's time for us ALL to move beyond the stupid stereotypes inflicted upon us by MSM and politicians?

So calling out someone who made dubious statements, which he of course can't substantiate,  regarding the number of foreigners receiving treatment in a NHS hospital, is no switched to an accusation that the person calling out the hogwash claims believes the stereotypes?!

 

Once again, reference to MSM but no indication of what the alternative, presumably better, source is.