Britain's Queen could be asked to suspend parliament on Wednesday: BBC journalist

[Handsome Gardener]

47 minutes ago, teatree said:

Try reading something else in addition to the Guardian/Independent/BBC.

If you're suggesting something that is bias towards leave you might have to help us out (apart from The Sun of course - the neighbours would think I was down on my luck !!)

[Handsome Gardener]

55 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Really? You believe that or do you recognise your exaggerated hyperbole? It makes you look childish. Such a comparison is deeply offensive.

Enough of the faux outrage - there's enough hysterics on here as it is !

[elliss]

7 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Suck it up!

 

 Boris will,  and swallow it ,   sooner than expected . 

  Another day , another jolly...

 

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by elliss

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Are they 'Mickey Mouse' polls because they go against you ?

 

Hardly democratic is it

Polls can be manipulated, the referendum was a clear intention of what the British voters wanted, I am truly sorry it did not go the way you would have liked, but sometimes life is not fair, please respect what was voted for.

It has not been democratic for the remainers to try and overturn that referendum decision for the last 3 years. 

You have never tried to compromise, it has always been about stopping what was democratically voted for and now the remainers are paying the price, I just wonder how many MPs from the Labour Party had wished they had voted for Mays deal now, well it looks like that ship has sailed.

[Handsome Gardener]

43 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Yes, I'm REALLY sure.

 

You see, in UK you cannot vote for a PM candidate en general elections. The political party that wins the most seats in the House of Commons at a general election usually forms the new government. Its leader becomes Prime Minister (appointed by the Queen). It may come as a surprise to you, but it is in fact the public who votes in a general election.

 

Now, I know all of this is complex and difficult to understand for someone who's never contemplated this before. For this reason, I have been kind enough to look up the information on the Parliament web site. I suggest you spend some time to read and digest the information therein.

Good luck!

 

https://www.parliament.uk/education/about-your-parliament/general-elections/

Sorry - so does he have the PUBLICS mandate (leaving aside all the polls to confirm he hasn't) to take the UK out with no deal ?

 

Take your time now …….

[cleopatra2]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Polls can be manipulated, the referendum was a clear intention of what the British voters wanted, I am truly sorry it did not go the way you would have liked, but sometimes life is not fair, please respect what was voted for.

It has not been democratic for the remainers to try and overturn that referendum decision for the last 3 years. 

You have never tried to compromise, it has always been about stopping what was democratically voted for and now the remainers are paying the price, I just wonder how many MPs from the Labour Party had wished they had voted for Mays deal now, well it looks like that ship has sailed.

Not really

Now BJ is enacting a new session , he is free to bring back the WA 

[sunnyboy2018]

6 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

It is not their "democratic right" to overrule a democratic majority vote which they were elected to uphold according to their last General Election manifestoes (Tory & Labour)!

That vote was to leave.  There was nothing in the referendum regarding deals

According to a recent you gov poll 80% of MPs think they have the right to vote in Parliament on what they want even if if they know their constituents dont want it. However, only 7% of constituents believe this to be the case. Thus the disconnect between real people and the arrogant political classes.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/26/time-to-burst-the-westminster-bubble/

[cleopatra2]

3 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

According to a recent you gov poll 80% of MPs think they have the right to vote in Parliament on what they want even if if they know their constituents dont want it. However, only 7% of constituents believe this to be the case. Thus the disconnect between real people and the arrogant political classes.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/26/time-to-burst-the-westminster-bubble/

Constitutionally the MPs are correct.

See Edward Burke

[Handsome Gardener]

27 minutes ago, citybiker said:

That’ll be no reply to post #270


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Is a reply mandatory ? However out of courtesy I went back and looked and there was no question there ???

 

So back to the present - did the latest Brexit plunge in the pound recover today ? Someone mentioned it did ...

 

Whilst here - why isn't the pound rising on the back of Brexit (22nd request) - I've tried all the other brexiteers but nothing yet ….

[citybiker]

Not really
Now BJ is enacting a new session , he is free to bring back the WA 

Genuinely, why would a new PM being back an already thrice rejected WA?

IIRC there's about 175 clauses & reasons to ensure the Brussels toilet paper is firmly dead.

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[Handsome Gardener]

9 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

According to a recent you gov poll 80% of MPs think they have the right to vote in Parliament on what they want even if if they know their constituents dont want it. However, only 7% of constituents believe this to be the case. Thus the disconnect between real people and the arrogant political classes.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/26/time-to-burst-the-westminster-bubble/

That has ALWAYS been the case else hunting with dogs would have been consigned to the medieval bin decades ago and people would still be subject to public executions !

[PremiumLane]

7 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

The people must be heard and Brexit must be expedited

you should really look up what the referendum actually meant, but somehow I doubt you will or understand it

[PremiumLane]

Let's take back our sovereignty, by closing down our democratic institution, by an unelected man.... 

[sunnyboy2018]

Just now, cleopatra2 said:

Constitutionally the MPs are correct.

See Edward Burke

I am well aware of Burke as I had to study him 49 years ago. His opinion between  loyalty to party versus loyalty to constituency is just that: an opinion and it has been heavily critiqued. And he was most certainly not espousing this view in context of a rederendum or how to challenge the results of a democratic referendum ordered by parliament. BTW Constituents at party level can deselect MPs who do not represent their interest.

[citybiker]

You are aware that a) Bojo voted for it and even today that Boris is happy with 174 of those clauses ?
 
Keep up

Thanks for the unnecessary reminder I'm fully aware of protocol & current proceedings.

Which still doesn't answer the question of why would Boris return an already rejected WA.



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[nauseus]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Oh dear two points.

 

1. Johnson is a liar. 

2. He believes in game theory as most certainly does Dominic Cummings.

3. Brino it is , Johnson wins a snap election as a hero that pulled off what May couldn't - and then all these money promises for the working class will evaporate but tax cuts for the rich - for sure. 

Oh dear two points. 1 2 3 

[sotonowl]

6 hours ago, Rotweiler said:

I really do wish the darn Brits would take their problems back to their homeland with them - not here.  The rest of us frankly don't give a rodent's behind.

Makes me wonder why you opened the thread up in the first place and took time to comment on it.

[Banana7]

Queen approves suspension of parliament! Prime Minister Boris Johnson will suspend Britain’s parliament for more than a month before Brexit, enraging opponents and raising the stakes in the country’s most serious political crisis in decades

Edited August 28, 2019 by Banana7

[Banana7]

“It is this day ordered by Her Majesty in Council that the Parliament be prorogued on a day no earlier than Monday the 9th day of September and no later than Thursday the 12th day of September 2019 to Monday the 14th day of October 2019,”

 

You have to love Boris - very clever!

Edited August 28, 2019 by Banana7

[Forethat]

32 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Queen approves suspension of parliament! Prime Minister Boris Johnson will suspend Britain’s parliament for more than a month before Brexit, enraging opponents and raising the stakes in the country’s most serious political crisis in decades

I haven't reviewed the details of the suspension, but presumably, the house of commons would have been closed for three weeks anyway due to the annual party congressional work...?

[Banana7]

11 minutes ago, Forethat said:

I haven't reviewed the details of the suspension, but presumably, the house of commons would have been closed for three weeks anyway due to the annual party congressional work...?

MPs return from their summer break on Sept. 3, suspend parliament Sept. 12, Queen's speech on Oct. 14 - all approved!

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Banana7

[aright]

2 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

It is nothing to do with connivance of the speaker - however it IS the speakers job to ensure that parliamentarians do not abuse their position to deny the will of the house 

 

Do you see the difference ?

The Speaker's job is Referee . If he wanted to be a player he should have turned down the Speakership.

Bercow talking about 'constitutional outrage' is priceless.  Coming from someone who is supposed to be impartial who has 'by hook and by crook' dug up every means to stop Brexit is a hypocrite in a powerful position where people have the right to expect impartiality.

Not so long ago the Speaker disregarded precedent to  allow an amendment to a motion previously regarded as non amendable and facilitating back benchers seizing control of the Parliamentary timetable (described at the time as a 'coup without tanks') is palpably undemocratic when used to frustrate the popular will.

 

As a matter of interest how can Boris' plan to suspend Parliament be a constitutional outrage" if the Queen( and her constitutional advisors) have approved it.

[Thongkorn]

Its  an already done deal she told Boris to go for it.

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Thongkorn said:

Its  an already done deal she told Boris to go for it.

Does this mean that the Queen is for Brexit, even no deal Brexit, or is it wrong to read such meaning into her action? 

[Forethat]

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Does this mean that the Queen is for Brexit, even no deal Brexit, or is it wrong to read such meaning into her action? 

My interpretation is that she's got bigger balls than Corbyn.

[nontabury]

10 hours ago, Basil B said:

Not standard parliamentary procedure to block democratically elected MP's executing their democratic rights...

 

But you are in support of M.P’s blocking the Democratic decision of the British people, who took part in the U.K’s largest EVER vote.Likewise many of those same M.P’s who are now threatening our nation, stood at the last G.E. on a manifesto of respecting and implement the people’s vote.

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by nontabury

[sunnyboy2018]

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Does this mean that the Queen is for Brexit, even no deal Brexit, or is it wrong to read such meaning into her action? 

Of course its wrong .She was carrying out  a  duty. 

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

That has ALWAYS been the case else hunting with dogs would have been consigned to the medieval bin decades ago and people would still be subject to public executions !

No. People used to want to bring back capital punishment for certain crimes but there is irrefutable logic not to do so which most people accept in the wake of the Hanratty case. There was never a call for public executions.  Anti Fox hunting legislation is a combination of misplaced sentiment and anti toff attitudes combined with townies' ignorance of country ways. Unfortunately the anti fox hunting legislation eventually gained popular support. So in both examples MPs were not voting against the will of the people. They were supporting it.

Edited August 28, 2019 by sunnyboy2018

[sunnyboy2018]

21 minutes ago, Forethat said:

My interpretation is that she's got bigger balls than Corbyn.

We do not know her opinion. This action is just her carrying out royal duties as constitutional monarch. She closes and opens parliament frequently at behest of her goverment.

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

No I don't find it 'deeply offensive',  - however I do find fake emotional outrage embarrassing. 

 

Brexiteers mature ? Ye gods I've heard it all now

Its not emotional outrage. Its intellectual outrage at anti democrats casually bandying the word Nazi around because people disagree with them. It trivalises the actions of the Nazis or shows a complete lack of knowledge about what the Nazis did on your part. Its a common trait that offensive people are not aware of how offensive they are. Calling decent people Nazis is politically immature and basically means you have just run out if rational arguments. It is offensive.