Britain's Queen could be asked to suspend parliament on Wednesday: BBC journalist

[Joe Mcseismic]

After a no-deal Brexit, watch all the Brexiteers blame Johnny Foreigner for the implosion of the British economy.

Oh well......at least our passports will be back to imperial blue.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

BJ letter says the reason EU not renogatating is the fact Parliament opposes No Deal. Thus he has removed Parliament to allow tbe EU to renogatiate

The EU have no intention of moving an inch, never mind renogatiating, it would take a neutron bomb to move that lot in Brussels.

[Joe Mcseismic]

......and still not a peep about how the NI - Eire border will be handled.

[sunnyboy2018]

1 minute ago, damascase said:

‘Britain, as ever, is leading the way’

Thanks for a good laugh. Ignorance is a bless........

 

Jealousy and a victim of Marxist propaganda, you are perhaps unaware of the economic and social history of the UK and its current economic status. Why do you think hundreds of thousands of people try to immigrate there? I know its a fashionable cliche to criticize Britain and that there are two generations of Britains who have been bought up to hate their mother country but such predudices are ill considered. To a certain extent such issues contributed towards Brexit. Where are you from BTW?

[sunnyboy2018]

1 minute ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

......and still not a peep about how the NI - Eire border will be handled.

Just as there wasnt during the Brexit campaign. Remainers just used it after the fact of Leave result. Nor when the NI good Friday peace agreement was signed was there any mention of Europe.

[Joe Mcseismic]

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Jealousy and a victim of Marxist propaganda, you are perhaps unaware of the economic and social history of the UK and its current economic status. Why do you think hundreds of thousands of people try to immigrate there? I know its a fashionable cliche to criticize Britain and that there are two generations of Britains who have been bought up to hate their mother country but such predudices are ill considered. To a certain extent such issues contributed towards Brexit. Where are you from BTW?

Still waiting on an answer from you about which other countries want to leave the EU.............or, are you just making stuff up as you go along (bit like the Brexit campaign itself).

[DannyCarlton]

11 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

BJ letter says the reason EU not renogatating is the fact Parliament opposes No Deal. Thus he has removed Parliament to allow tbe EU to renogatiate

It's not just Parliament that opposes a "no deal" Brexit. A clear majority of people in the UK oppose a "no deal" Brexit. The EU have been quite and consistently clear that they will not renegotiate.

 

Stifling parliament's ability to avoid a "no deal" Brexit serves only one purpose, to go against the will of parliament and the British people and force a "no deal" Brexit. Executive rule by an unelected bozo, aka dictatorship.

 

Where's your democracy now? In the trash can.

[sunnyboy2018]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

The EU have no intention of moving an inch, never mind renogatiating, it would take a neutron bomb to move that lot in Brussels.

Perhaps. But in all negotiations peoples position evolve. Both parties much do as they think fit. The European power elite, unelected bureaucrats dread a successful Brexit so they will do anything to sabotage it.

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, sunnyboy2018 said:

Perhaps. But in all negotiations peoples position evolve. Both parties much do as they think fit. The European power elite, unelected bureaucrats dread a successful Brexit so they will do anything to sabotage it.

So you think that allowing a "no deal" Brexit wouldn't be sabotaging Brexit. 555

 

I'm afraid that the European hawks are relishing a "no deal" Brexit. Macron?

[sunnyboy2018]

3 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Still waiting on an answer from you about which other countries want to leave the EU.............or, are you just making stuff up as you go along (bit like the Brexit campaign itself).

Which others EU countries have been offered a referendum? Non. Because of the fear of the leave vote. In which countries have serious doubts about EU membership been expressed? All but Germany. Let the other EU members have a referendum and see how many people vote against membership or support radical reforms.

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

After a no-deal Brexit, watch all the Brexiteers blame Johnny Foreigner for the implosion of the British economy.

Oh well......at least our passports will be back to imperial blue.

And when it all turns out fine watch how many remainers claim to have been brexiters all along.

[mommysboy]

Misleading headline really.  The Queen rubber stamps many actions- nothing new here.  She is not taking decisions or sides.

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Which others EU countries have been offered a referendum? Non. Because of the fear of the leave vote. In which countries have serious doubts about EU membership been expressed? All but Germany. Let the other EU members have a referendum and see how many people vote against membership or support radical reforms.

There's a big difference between voting against membership and supporting radical reform. Radical reform? Possibly, I certainly would have voted for that. A UK style referendum? Not a hope in hell in any other EU nation.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Perhaps. But in all negotiations peoples position evolve. Both parties much do as they think fit. The European power elite, unelected bureaucrats dread a successful Brexit so they will do anything to sabotage it.

I can only go on what the EU have been telling us for the latter stages of the May regime and now Boris reign. As for evolving, it seems we have hit a brick wall with the EU, maybe now they now realise that Boris means business and he means what he says. Whatever the remainers may say, for Boris to take over the Tory Party with very little ammunition, he has and still is playing a blinder, the Tories are streets ahead of any other party, it is very understandable why remainers dislike the man, he is trying his best to preserve democracy, I just hope he succeeds.

[sunnyboy2018]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

So you think that allowing a "no deal" Brexit wouldn't be sabotaging Brexit. 555

 

I'm afraid that the European hawks are relishing a "no deal" Brexit. Macron?

They have stated public and categorically that they dont want a no deal Brexit as has Johnson. But the current deal on offer is a joke thus making no deal preferable. The referendum came about because of the obduracy of the EU masters when dealing with Cameron's request for reforms many of which in retrospect seem very reasonable. The same stubbornness is being demonstrated again for some out of date, bonkers ideal formed in the 1950s in the ashes of WW2. The model is no longer appropriate.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

it is very understandable why remainers dislike the man, he is trying his best to preserve democracy, I just hope he succeeds.

He's just single handedly destroyed democracy. Good job Boris....not.

[aright]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I hope nobody will bring up the UK as a sample democracy anymore.

It's utterly disgusting to see how they behave.  

 

 

You seem to feel it is perfectly acceptable for Remainers to use every parliamentary  trick in the book to overturn the result of a democratically held referendum including the connivance of the Speaker  but similar action by the government, which is governed by the constitution, is utterly disgusting. 

 

[bannork]

17 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

The EU is very concerned about the ramifications of the UK leaving the EU. It could lead to a change of direction or even the dissolution of the EU. Germany is in recession.  France's economy is unsustainable and the society riven with unrest. Italy mired in corruption and divided. Greece, Portugal,  Spain basket case economies ruined by the Euro. Many countries want out of Europe or a radical reform of Europe. Britain, as ever, is leading the way.

Britain, led by a reckless fool, is leading the way in falling off a cliff. No other EU country is following our suicide. This refrain - The EU is doomed, the domino effect is inevitable once the UK leaves is an acute form of hubris.

Let's see what The Leavers promised before the referendum:.

More money for farmers

“The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment.

In a no deal Brexit tariffs will cripple their exports to the EU

 No short-term economic disruption

“After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove.

Oh, come on!

 

We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world

“We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling

Simply lies

 

There’ll be no damage to trade with the EU

“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave

Not under no deal.

 

UK cooperation with the EU

“We will negotiate a UK-EU Treaty that enables us 1) to continue cooperating in many areas just as now (e.g. maritime surveillance), 2) to deepen cooperation in some areas (e.g. scientific collaborations and counter-terrorism)” – Vote Leave

Not under no deal- all gone

 

And the union with Scotland will be stronger than ever

“If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger…  I think when we vote to leave it will be clear that having voted to leave one union the last thing people in Scotland wanted to do is to break up another.” – Michael Gove

Jeeeesus.

The public were told a pack of lies before the referendum.

 

[Brigand]

There is a good reason why proroguing parliament exists and is possible and it looks like/could be argued that the UK is heading for a situation where it's needed. Johnson is just playing the remainers plus EU at their own game, who incidentally, were more than willing to try to take over parliament from an elected government whilst the Speaker just makes it up as he goes along (that's called a coup). Perhaps all those that are whinging should look up why this possibility is an option. Secondly, it's the Queen that suspends parliament and she can't be taken to court as all crimes are against the Crown ... hence why the CPS is called that. I am aware that the rabid anti-UK brigade will have a hissy-fit at all this.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

He's just single handedly destroyed democracy. Good job Boris....not.

The remainers are trying to destroy democracy, thank goodness they are failing.

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

They have stated public and categorically that they dont want a no deal Brexit as has Johnson. But the current deal on offer is a joke thus making no deal preferable. The referendum came about because of the obduracy of the EU masters when dealing with Cameron's request for reforms many of which in retrospect seem very reasonable. The same stubbornness is being demonstrated again for some out of date, bonkers ideal formed in the 1950s in the ashes of WW2. The model is no longer appropriate.

They acceded to Cameron's reforms. Outdated ideal? The EU has constantly evolved (much to the dislike of howling Brexiteers). We overwhelmingly voted to remain in that "outdated bonkers ideal formed in the 1950s" in 1975.

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

The remainers are trying to destroy democracy, thank goodness they are failing.

How so? By trying to prevent a "no deal" brexit which neither parliament nor the British people want?

[sunnyboy2018]

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

There's a big difference between voting against membership and supporting radical reform. Radical reform? Possibly, I certainly would have voted for that. A UK style referendum? Not a hope in hell in any other EU nation.

My point exactly. Not a hope in hell for a democratic vote on EU membership in other EU countries because the unelected masters dread the results. And the radical reforms people want are not allowed by the same unelected masters. Greeks hate the EU. Italians too. Portugal managed to succeed economically by ignoring EU directives. The danes hate the EU and voted against the Euro but were forced to accept it by their government.

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

I can only go on what the EU have been telling us for the latter stages of the May regime and now Boris reign. As for evolving, it seems we have hit a brick wall with the EU, maybe now they now realise that Boris means business and he means what he says. Whatever the remainers may say, for Boris to take over the Tory Party with very little ammunition, he has and still is playing a blinder, the Tories are streets ahead of any other party, it is very understandable why remainers dislike the man, he is trying his best to preserve democracy, I just hope he succeeds.

Full steam ahead to a time limited backstop (maybe 2 years ) , a few twiddles around the edges and Boris can triumphantly get a cowed parliament (and EU)  to vote for WA Mark 2.1 - which is like remaining but with no power (copyright JRM) aka vassalage state and then you rock hard No Deal Losers can crawl back under your stones from whence you came and mumble traitors etc. I repeat non of the ERG are in the cabinet and anyway Corbyn/Swinson have both written to the Queen.  Yes he has played a blinder as much on the Brexiteer nutters as the remainers - we will all be worse off but nowhere near as much if the WTO lunatics were to ever have their way. 

[sunnyboy2018]

9 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

He's just single handedly destroyed democracy. Good job Boris....not.

If thats what you think you misunderstand democracy and know nothing of British Constitutional Law. Thus you contribute nothing to this discussion. 

[Joe Mcseismic]

18 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Which others EU countries have been offered a referendum? Non. Because of the fear of the leave vote. In which countries have serious doubts about EU membership been expressed? All but Germany. Let the other EU members have a referendum and see how many people vote against membership or support radical reforms.

Nice side-step. You don't get off that easy, though.

You claimed other countries want to leave the EU. You stated it as a fact. How do you know this? What do you know that others don't? 

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

My point exactly. Not a hope in hell for a democratic vote on EU membership in other EU countries because the unelected masters dread the results. And the radical reforms people want are not allowed by the same unelected masters. Greeks hate the EU. Italians too. Portugal managed to succeed economically by ignoring EU directives. The danes hate the EU and voted against the Euro but were forced to accept it by their government.

They wouldn't vote to leave,particularly if they ahd no idea what the exit terms would be. The UK has taught the rest of Europe a salutory lesson.

[sunnyboy2018]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Full steam ahead to a time limited backstop (maybe 2 years ) , a few twiddles around the edges and Boris can triumphantly get a cowed parliament (and EU)  to vote for WA Mark 2.1 - which is like remaining but with no power (copyright JRM) aka vassalage state and then you rock hard No Deal Losers can crawl back under your stones from whence you came and mumble traitors etc. I repeat non of the ERG are in the cabinet and anyway Corbyn/Swinson have both written to the Queen.  Yes he has played a blinder as much on the Brexiteer nutters as the remainers - we will all be worse off but nowhere near as much if the WTO lunatics were to ever have their way. 

Whats your point?

[Joe Mcseismic]

18 minutes ago, evadgib said:

And when it all turns out fine watch how many remainers claim to have been brexiters all along.

The triumph of hope over experience (companies moving to Europe, job losses, farmers freaking out and Sterling falling through the floor). 

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

If thats what you think you misunderstand democracy and know nothing of British Constitutional Law. Thus you contribute nothing to this discussion. 

I clearly know more than you if you think that it's based on democracy by the people. It's based on parliamentary democracy. BTW. Technically, the UK doen't have a constitution. Did you know that?