Coming with a thai/european minor child and being denied entry at the Bangkok airport ? what gonna happen ?

[Danielsiam]

I've a Thai/EU child, ( dual citizen ) but I am always showing his EU passport, ( to avoid any problem at each exit of Thailand )

 

I am coming often to Thailand using exempt entries, with my daughter, I am often in Southeast Asia.

 

I've a flight from Philippines going to Don Muaeng.

I don't have the 20,000 THB in case they will ask me.

 

What gonna happened if they wanted to deny entry me, as I've a EU/Thai Child. But I don't have his thai passport.

Just only a copy of his Thai birth certificate, and copy of his previous thai passport with me..

 

What the IO gonna do in that case ?

 

They will deny entry both of us ? despite the child have thai citizenship.

They will deny me entry, and put the child under there custody for "her" mother get her ? By the way I don't have contact with her mother.

 

The situation is very complicated, while on case they willing to deny entry me, what gonna happened on that case.. weird and stressful

 

Sorry but I cannot make the NON-O visa, too much complicated and they don't provide it to me in Philippines, the Thai Embassy

 

 

[Ron jeremy]

Sad sad situation, wish u the best, what a <deleted> mess this place has become.

[sunnyboy2018]

You have a kid but cant raise 20k baht! Disgracful. Dont travel and potentially subject your child to stress and trauma until you have the money. When travelling with a kid you need more than 20k emergency funds. The chaotic lifestyle you and your wife have chosen will damage the kid. Poor wee wain.

Edited August 28, 2019 by sunnyboy2018

[Danielsiam]

I have the funds, but I am not using to have my pocket plenty of cash.. 

 

 

they even deny entry when we have the cash.. still thinking we're taking a job of thai people

Edited August 28, 2019 by Danielsiam

[balo]

Without the proper visa you should not travel with your child. Simple as that.

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[Danielsiam]

1 minute ago, balo said:

Without the proper visa you should not travel with your child. Simple as that.

Sent from my SM-J610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

I am not using to live in Thailand. I just staying for short period. A visa exempt is totally enough.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Danielsiam

[lkv]

35 minutes ago, Danielsiam said:

I am coming often to Thailand using exempt entries, with my daughter, I am often in Southeast Asia.

So you take the Thai child on all your visa runs?

 

Or

 

You live in Southeast Asia (Philippines) with your child -on tourist visas both you and the EU/Thai child, and travel many times for leisure to Thailand?

 

Or

 

You live in Thailand on visa exempt and carry the child with you everywhere you do your visa runs (said it before).

 

It sounds too circular.

 

Where exactly do you live?

 

The more I type, the more confused I get myself.

 

Reedit /due to previous post:

 

So you live outside of Thailand (SE Asia somewhere), with a child that has EU/Thai nationality, correct?

Edited August 28, 2019 by lkv

[Los Luver]

Instead of thinking if you'll be denied. Have you ever thought that your kids need loooot more to be with friends, go to kindy garden. Or you'll be draging them around ASEA....

My guess is that you are from Romania...

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, Danielsiam said:

I have the funds, but I am not using to have my pocket plenty of cash.. 

 

 

they even deny entry when we have the cash.. still thinking we're taking a job of thai people

How irresponsible can a person be? First you open a thread of mess and poor planning for travelling with your child stating you do not have the cash. After you write you have it but choose to not abide the rules. You also state that 20k baht as that would be plenty of cash. Really. You should feel ashamed. Stay home until you are able to provide for your childs secutiry.

 

There had never been heard of a denial of entry with a child, especially not with a child of Thai nationality. What is the real problem you have. Scrared of the mother making a custody battle or are that things which are not settled before you left with the daughter? If you have full custody you have nothing to worry about, and that´s what you should have when she is travelling and living with you. Otherwise no contact with the mother would lead to no valid travel document after 3-6 month.

I think you have to tell us the full story for maybe be able to get some help.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Matzzon

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, Danielsiam said:

I am not using to live in Thailand. I just staying for short period. A visa exempt is totally enough.

 

Then what are you worried about???? 

 

You are worried because you suspect its not enough and you will be question and you don't have 20,000 baht, you are worried that not having the 20,000 baht may be used against to you reject your entry. 

 

Unless your travel to Thailand is essential, why would you come here and risk it. 

I doubt you'd be separated from your child, you'd both be sent back.

 

How can you prove your child is Thai (half Thai), do you have the Birth Certificate? 

 

The advice you have received not to travel is sound advice - there is no reason to risk the potential drama which may unfold (unless there is a necessity to travel which you are not telling us about).

 

A sticky station - play it safe for the sake of your child.

 

[looplaw]

2 hours ago, Danielsiam said:

I have the funds, but I am not using to have my pocket plenty of cash.. 

 

 

they even deny entry when we have the cash.. still thinking we're taking a job of thai people

Using a child to get a visa? Shame.

[Matzzon]

24 minutes ago, looplaw said:

Using a child to get a visa? Shame.

How is the child used to get a exempt entry, visa on arrival or a tourist visa. Please explain that?

Edited August 29, 2019 by Matzzon

[somtumwrong]

I would recommend not to travel as you never know of the drama that can unfold, even the mother who is not in contact (or the other way around), may legally challenge you and game over. And as a single parent, there is no good reason to play the sunshine SEA game anymore, but should focus on the child now.

[pontious]

I remember from your previous posts you have a child with your Thai girlfriend and a child with your Filipino girlfriend. You seem to use your children as bargaining chips depending on  your travel requirements. I pity your children.

[My 2 cents]

OP, euhm... "daughter", "his" "don't have 20.000" , "do have the funds"

 

So what is the catch ? is it fish or is it meat ? ( son or daughter ? )

 

4 hours ago, Danielsiam said:

to avoid any problem at each exit of Thailand

Problems with the Thai mother ?

 

How long is your planned trip / stay in Thailand? 

Purpose of stay ?

Previous history ?

 

Try to fit in any regular "box" and no problems will occur.

 

Just follow the rules in case you do qualify for an exempt entry, they are clear and actual easy to comprehend.

"That the rule not always is been enforced does not make it an invalid rule"

 

"if you don't fit in any box, the IO will not provide a fitting solution, his job is to see thru those who try to hide the real purpose"

 

 

[amykat]

Immigration has been asking for every document known to man when leaving with a child, and for both parents, and then even this is not enough, when you have every document that exists in Thailand.  Why?  Unexplainable sort of like the strange stories of people with valid visas that get kicked back for no reason.  So I would be careful and be worried that once here with your daughter, she may never leave again, especially if you are not on good terms with her Mother and the Mother cannot go to the airport with you.

[OJAS]

5 hours ago, Los Luver said:

My guess is that you are from Romania...

Don't think so, if his claims to have hitherto succeeded in entering Thailand with (presumably) 30-day visa exemptions are to be believed. Romanian nationals are required to obtain 15-day visas on arrival:-

 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/contents/files/services-20150120-100712-551809.pdf

 

[nightfox]

2 hours ago, amykat said:

Immigration has been asking for every document known to man when leaving with a child, and for both parents, and then even this is not enough, when you have every document that exists in Thailand.  Why?  Unexplainable sort of like the strange stories of people with valid visas that get kicked back for no reason.  So I would be careful and be worried that once here with your daughter, she may never leave again, especially if you are not on good terms with her Mother and the Mother cannot go to the airport with you.

Nonsense, I have traveled abroad with my duel citizen Thai son for years and never had a problem, All they want to see is a child's Thai passport leaving and entering Thailand, They don't want to see his Thai ID card or his Thai birth certificate. They don't check or question my son visa status as he is Thai, my visa status yes but not my son, the airline check in staff want to see the other nationality passport that way you don't have to get a tourist visa for your son on his Thai passport.

[hobobo]

10 hours ago, Danielsiam said:

I am not using to live in Thailand. I just staying for short period. A visa exempt is totally enough.

It is up to the Government of Thailand to decide what is "totally enough" and what isn't. I feel sorry for your kids.

[Letseng]

11 hours ago, Danielsiam said:

I have the funds, but I am not using to have my pocket plenty of cash.. 

 

 

they even deny entry when we have the cash.. still thinking we're taking a job of thai people

20.000 THB is peanuts in real money e.g. in Euro. And 20x1000 Baht notes fit easily in a normal purse. 

[amykat]

5 hours ago, nightfox said:

Nonsense, I have traveled abroad with my duel citizen Thai son for years and never had a problem, All they want to see is a child's Thai passport leaving and entering Thailand, They don't want to see his Thai ID card or his Thai birth certificate. They don't check or question my son visa status as he is Thai, my visa status yes but not my son, the airline check in staff want to see the other nationality passport that way you don't have to get a tourist visa for your son on his Thai passport.

Don’t tell me NONSENSE!!!  Are you traveling with BOTH parents by chance??  That might be the main difference you are not catching here.  Also, what happened for YEARS is not relevant anymore, I also traveled for years too with my daughter with barely a care in the world, and then a gradual crackdown, leading too, she will never come again until she is a legal adult, immigration scared her so badly thinking they would not let her leave Thailand last time!!  They specifically told her they had the power to keep her and were thinking of doing that, and had her almost in tears and wai’ing the big boss.  They purposely took her aside to mentally abuse her luckily she doesn’t crack easily didn’t give them the satisfaction of crying.  But she was terrified.  We were moving out of Thailand, she had a PR stamp for the US in her passport, and they were telling her/me she couldn’t leave.  House is sold, dogs are waiting on airplane.

 

Oh, Nonsense ..it never happen to Nightfox so never happened ...when is the last time you got raped Nightfox??  You deny all rape stories too??

[Matzzon]

Looks like the OP left the thread. Just open for fun then? Or just don´t want to tell the real reason for his worries. 

[PerkinsCuthbert]

5 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Looks like the OP left the thread. Just open for fun then? Or just don´t want to tell the real reason for his worries. 

Who is surprised? He asked for some practical advice based on experience, not for petty, borish moralising from the barstool brigade.

[sherwood]

23 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Looks like the OP left the thread. Just open for fun then? Or just don´t want to tell the real reason for his worries. 

You really are a sad case

[lkv]

There's no worry, the outcome is that magically we have two concurrent threads up and running on the first page involving the keywords "denied" "entry" "DMK" (or "Bangkok airport")

Edited August 29, 2019 by lkv

[amykat]

Part 2 of above story: My flight was the last one of the night and I was one of the last to go through but I had come before and pre-cleared us in case we would have any problems, due to having my dogs downstairs.  When I came back and went through security, suddenly immigration pretended I had never done that, and they had never seen me before.  Also they held me up considerably 3 months before on a flight home for Xmas so I was super prepared this time.  

 

I showed them every document that exists, over and over, they kept looking at it (the boss lady) as if she wasn’t really seeing anything.  She started at some point to say that I had really offended her and was in big trouble now.  I did not take that seriously really, as in I was not worried, because I have never made any officials upset in 14 years, and I had said almost nothing, just passed over papers and answered questions.  Off to the side is the thing going on with my daughter, them trying to intimidate her several feet away from me and in Thai.  The boss kept getting into weird staring contests with me for some reason, I kept thinking well like dogs, first one to look away is weaker so I’m not looking away.  Now I realize she was trying to keep me from looking around probably.

 

I reminded this woman that she knows me, she cleared me to go at Xmas?  And other times too, she must remember?  I am just ignoring the fact that I was cleared to go through an hour ago because I realize something is going on now, but I am confused what is it?? I see one lady give me some sad eyes and look down.  I am surrounded by what seems to be every person who works behind in the office, walking around me and my luggage, 4 or 5 people.  They ask me for ridiculous things, like they want my certified English translations I have used for her immigration in the US embassy.  That I am not going to give them.  I say, for what ...you are the Thai government and you can read Thai and I have the original Thai documents??  So this is going on for maybe one hour!!  They tell me it is the LAW and I should know that and have brought them English copies!!  The airline workers come to see what is going on, everyone is on the flight except us, my dogs are on the plane, and I see boss lady give a nod, like yeah just give me a minute more ...they will be coming.

 

Suddenly, we are free to go, rush onto the plane, an hour later I want to buy something and guess what??  My wallet that was on the top of my bag is now gone!!  My daughter tells me oh, well I saw that older man in uniform bend down and get in your bag, he sort of looked like he was fixing something

on his shoe I was not sure??  WHAT?  Why didn’t you tell me?  

 

She starts freaking out ..well I thought they were going to keep me and they were telling me that you were saying bad things and they were going to put you in jail ....she did tell me a few times to stop talking and that I was going to go to jail and I didn’t know why she said that!!  She tried to pull me away when I was answering questions.

 

 I was in no way close to losing my temper, never raised my voice, I was not even feeling worried about it really because I knew I had every single legal paper that exists in Thailand and I could not imagine not passing the interview.  I had gotten extra legal papers just in case for padding.  I knew the flight could not leave with my dogs and luggage on it and not us ...so I was curious what the hell was going on but I was not freaking out.

 

Afterwards I discovered a few other things missing.  I used my wallet just before to buy water for the dogs, I used it there to show them things, which they quickly said they don’t need ...like her Thai ID, my Thai ID, anything in my wallet they don’t need, they do need things buried in my suitcase that I was not expecting, they do need me to make copies of every paper with their phone so I am distracted, they are messing up my papers and I am afraid of losing some of them while they put them all over their booth.

 

I was thinking later of all the people who when moving might have a lot of extra cash they are trying to get out of the country?  You usually will have all your valuables with you, any nice watches, jewelry ...I had my safe deposit box keys in my wallet.  Luckily I had been going to the US a lot lately and had been bringing back all my valuables in each trip or never brought them in the first place.  I still did have some but I reduced it quite a bit.  

 

I think if they can tell you are moving back, you might be a target for strange things to happen, you could be a walking gold mine, so watch out.

 

 

[pontious]

44 minutes ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

Who is surprised? He asked for some practical advice based on experience, not for petty, borish moralising from the barstool brigade.

Suggest you read his previous post's. He uses his children for achieving his travel plans.

[lkv]

4 minutes ago, pontious said:

Suggest you read his previous post's. He uses his children for achieving his travel plans.

Let me just add that he is suggesting that:

 

He lives in South East Asia (but not Thailand), with a EU/Thai kid, that supposedly goes to school and all that? Or maybe too young? Again, all that takes place outside of Thailand. And he travels to Thailand for leisure, taking the EU/Thai child along, for short durations and unspecified purposes.

Edited August 29, 2019 by lkv

[pontious]

5 minutes ago, lkv said:

Let me just add that he is suggesting that:

 

He lives in South East Asia (but not Thailand), with a EU/Thai kid, that supposedly goes to school and all that? Or maybe too young? Again, all that takes place outside of Thailand. And he travels to Thailand for leisure, taking the EU/Thai child along, for short durations and unspecified purposes.

I suppose he leaves his Filipino child there while he does that travel. Read his previous posts. 

[Matzzon]

56 minutes ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

Who is surprised? He asked for some practical advice based on experience, not for petty, borish moralising from the barstool brigade.

Barstool Brigade? Do you know that you just posted a comment to a committed married man and a father of two children? You should also feel ashamed just assuming things.

My first post tells the truth directly to the OP. If he wants any help, then maybe he should consider giving important imformation, such as what it is he is afraid of. Noone has so far been refused entry with a Thai child or a child of dual nationality where one is Thai.