2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

I'm afraid he's right. Nearest thing to a constitution we have is Magna Carta.

 

However, in my opinion that's a good thing. For what others have a constitution, we have the laws of the land, which are easily updatable, unlike a written constitution.

 

A good example is the 2nd amendment to the US constiution (the right to bear arms). 200 years old and totally unfit for purpose in the modern world.However many argue that it cannot be changed because it's part of the Constitution. If it were simply a law it could be changed overnight to allow the US to become a modern foreward thinking nation like the rest of the world (I thought you'd like that 555).

 

Constitutions, totally unnecessary and much overated.

But better than nout.

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Exactly what should have happened with the Brexit referendum, rather than the ridiculous parameter set by Cameron.

Hindsight. A wonderful thing.

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

And they regretted it. Hence the restoration of Louis XV111.

not really regretted....

 

Officially, Louis XVI was the last real King of France of the old regime. He was the last King of France with actual reigning power.

After him, Napoleon Bonaparte crowned himself emperor of France, so then France was an empire. After Napoleon, the monarchy in France was restored, and Louis XVIII (a.k.a. Comte de Provence, the bother of Louis XVI) became King of France, but he had no reigning power, being only a King in name since the old regime had been abolished in 1792. After him, his brother became King, King Charles X (a.k.a. Comte de Artois, another brother of Louis XVI). After him, Louis Philippe (the cousin of King Charles X) became King.

This is a goodie 

 

The only path to defeat for Remainers is if they buy the artificial hype and believe all is lost. The only way a damaging hard brexit wins out, is if enough MPs and activists stop resisting it. This is the sole purpose of yesterday’s announcement. It is a display intended to demoralise. A parody Brexit haka. Let them bulge their eyes and beat their chest. We have the numbers. That is the objective reality.

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnson-dominic-cummings-remainers-strategy-prorogation/

 

And we have our not so secret weapon

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

.....and there you have it. The utter contempt that half of the country feels for the other half. We seem to have caught the American disease, whereby the opposition must be crushed, humiliated and destroyed. Nothing less will do.
 
Glad that I don't live in the UK, hold any Sterling, or have a pension. Either way, Brexit, or no, it doesn't affect me, though I'm sad at what the country has become.

You would be even sadder if the country was left to the treachery and trickery of the Remainers, and you were left to live under the EU.
You’ve certainly got a feel for the Remainers and what is needed for them, but we are not really allowed to destroy them. Crushing humiliation of them will be ok though.

Nah, the british cancer has been removed from Eire and no one wants anything to do with it again.

I heard it was a nasty case of colo-rectal cancer that went to Ireland, then came back not wanting anything to do with them. Too many ars***les there to cope with, and they were all full of <deleted>.

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You would be even sadder if the country was left to the treachery and trickery of the Remainers, and you were left to live under the EU.
You’ve certainly got a feel for the Remainers and what is needed for them, but we are not really allowed to destroy them. Crushing humiliation of them will be ok though.

Thank you for validating my earlier post. You're a great example of why the UK is up a certain creek without a certain paddle.

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I heard it was a nasty case of colo-rectal cancer that went to Ireland, then came back not wanting anything to do with them. Too many ars***les there to cope with, and they were all full of <deleted>.

Nope, you were removed.

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by Bluespunk

With many thanks to Jos Collignon of the Volkskrant - NL. He is really the greatest.

It expresses exactly my feelings:

1) Democracy sunk in the UK.

2) Corbyn could solve the deadlock in seconds, by NOT insisting HE will be the next (temporarily) PM. Even to find one in the ranks of LibDem, rebellion Tories, or whatever.

So, wait for new GE, with LibDem, Greens etc in a coalition, being one vote bigger as nr 2 in over 50% of all baronies, and.. over with Tories + Labour.

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by puipuitom

8 hours ago, Stupooey said:

A referendum has little to do with Democracy - just ask Maggie Thatcher, among others.

(And why have you posted this claptrap twice in twenty minutes? Do you think if you inflict it on us enough times it will somehow become true?).

Are you denying that it is true?

 

Did David Cameron say that publicly many times?

Did Teresa May promise that the UK would leave Brexit?

Did the UK voters (at least those who could be bothered to vote) vote to leave?

 

Is what was posted true or a lie?

 

Please tell us all in your own words is what I have posted is the truth or a lie.

 

 

9 hours ago, evadgib said:

Cheered on by President Donald Trump.

well, something must be wrong

8 hours ago, Stupooey said:

A referendum has little to do with Democracy - just ask Maggie Thatcher, among others.

(And why have you posted this claptrap twice in twenty minutes? Do you think if you inflict it on us enough times it will somehow become true?).

 

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Are you denying that it is true?

 

Did David Cameron say that publicly many times?

Did Teresa May promise that the UK would leave Brexit?

Did the UK voters (at least those who could be bothered to vote) vote to leave?

 

Is what was posted true or a lie?

 

Please tell us all in your own words is what I have posted is the truth or a lie.

 

 

Referendums with vague objectives have been used by unscrupulous politicians to achieve their own aims, rather than the wishes of the people before in histroy many times.

 

I would suggest you check 1930's German history.

19 minutes ago, Pique Dard said:

well, something must be wrong

Correct; That was another poster's text 

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by evadgib

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Exactly what should have happened with the Brexit referendum, rather than the ridiculous parameter set by Cameron.

Did you make an official complaint before the referendum?

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Hindsight. A wonderful thing.

Especially if your side loses.

16 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Especially if your side loses.

Yup.

14 hours ago, Thailand said:

No doubt Boris and his cronies are picking out their uniforms and planning their first military parade and fly over.

Farcical, and the sterling peso continues it's descent in to oblivion.

 

           Rhys Mogg,  attired in Miltary style uniform and jackboots , polished by boris,  or maybe farage.

           The Palace awaits..

 

 

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by elliss

13 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Boris Johnson is a very smart man.!???? 

diamond geezer,watch him come up trumps in the next few weeks in the leave talks with the eu,he had to suspend parliament to ensure democracy prevails.now the eu KNOWS we mean buisness,their bottles will soon go.

7 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes a lot of embarrassed posters on here (just scroll through the Brexit threads) calling him stupid, buffoon and a multitude of names, when really he has shown that he is actually very astute.

"stupid,buffoon" i wouldn,t mind being a pound note behind him.

Cartoonist Jos Collignon’s view in today’s Dutch De Volkskrant:

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Are you denying that it is true?

 

Did David Cameron say that publicly many times?

Did Teresa May promise that the UK would leave Brexit?

Did the UK voters (at least those who could be bothered to vote) vote to leave?

 

Is what was posted true or a lie?

 

Please tell us all in your own words is what I have posted is the truth or a lie.

 

 

Much of it.

 

David Cameron never considered for one moment that the vote would go against him. His comments were aimed not at the electorate, but at Farage and his henchmen telling them to give up the fight. You must remember, he was a Conservative PM, you can take his comments with a pinch of salt.

 

We are forever being told by Leavers that it was a binary vote, in or out, no ifs or buts. Theresa May produced an agreement which would leave the UK outside the EU, but we kept hearing 'that's not what we voted for' and it was rejected by the extremists. Please tell us what people did vote for (and it certainly wasn't 'no deal' in 90 per cent of cases).

 

A majority voted to leave on Thursday 23/6/2016. Had the referendum been held on Sunday 27/6/2016, I'm sure the result would have been very different, as working people would have had as much opportunity to vote as non-workers. Unlike a General Election, in which the moderate Tory bias amongst pensioners is balanced by the Labour bias of the unemployed, in the referendum both groups voted solidly to leave. Add to that the huge (well over 1 million) number of people that voted (mainly Leave) in the referendum who abstain in General Elections (usually because they have 'no interest in politics') and you see that the result was a freak and by no means represented 'the will of the people'.

 

But that is all in the past. We are now in 2019. A million people who voted for Brexit are no longer alive. Millions of 18, 19, 20 and 21 year olds, seemingly primarily Remain voters, are supposedly now adults but have been given no opportunity to determine the long-term future of their country. Democracy? Hardly.

 

In retrospect, most of what you posted were lies, but they were all the words of Tory PMs. Don't expect anything different this time round.

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by Stupooey
Spelling error

34 minutes ago, kingdong said:

"stupid,buffoon" i wouldn,t mind being a pound note behind him.

 

                Pound valued @ 37 baht , soon expected to fall.

                 Being a expat , relying on the value of gbp,  i wouldn,t mind being behind him ..

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by elliss

9 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

Much of it.

 

David Cameron never considered for one moment that the vote would go against him. His comments were aimed not at the electorate, but at Farage and his henchmen telling them to give up the fight. You must remember, he was a Conservative PM, you can take his comments with a pinch of salt.

 

We are forever being told by Leavers that it was a binary vote, in or out, no ifs or buts. Theresa May produced an agreement which would leave the UK outside the EU, but we kept hearing 'that's not what we voted for' and it was rejected by the extremists. Please tell us what people did vote for (and it certainly wasn't 'no deal' in 90 per cent of cases).

 

A majority voted to leave on Thursday 23/6/2016. Had the referendum been held on Sunday 27/6/2016, I'm sure the result would have been very different, as working people would have had as much opportunity to vote as non-workers. Unlike a General Election, in which the moderate Tory bias amongst pensioners is balanced by the Labour bias of the unemployed, in the referendum both groups voted solidly to leave. Add to that the huge (well over 1 million) number of people that voted (mainly Leave) in the referendum who abstain in General Elections (usually because they have 'no interest in politics') and you see that the result was a freak and by no means represented 'the will of the people'.

 

But that is all in the past. We are now in 2019. A million people who voted for Brexit are no longer alive. Millions of 18, 19, 20 and 21 year olds, seemingly primarily Remain voters, are supposedly now adults but have been given no opportunity to determine the long-term future of their country. Democracy? Hardly.

 

In retrospect, most of what you posted were lies, but they were all the words of Tory PMs. Don't expect anything different this time round.

So please prove that they were lies.

 

They were on the BBC web site, posted innumerable times on the internet. 

 

So either you are calling me out for telling lies or are you are the one who cannot accept the truth.

 

You can search the web for as long as you wish but the truth will still be there.

 

Weasel words from you do not make the facts disappear

 

If you cannot accept what happened in the referendum that is your problem.

 

Reality speaks otherwise.

8 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 

Indeed, just overtaken by India, and forecast to fall to 7th this year when overtaken by France. In terms of PPP already a pathetic 9th. "Project Nonsense" please get a grip. It would be helpful if Brexiteers would just put a little effort into keeping up with the facts, the problem with living in the so called glorious past. "Descent into oblivion" is probably premature, but a No Deal Brexit would certainly accelerate our travel in that direction.

perhaps the uk was punching above its weight,and the pound was over valued,just wait until the eu collapses then you,ll see the GREAT  put back in britain.

26 minutes ago, kingdong said:

perhaps the uk was punching above its weight,and the pound was over valued,just wait until the eu collapses then you,ll see the GREAT  put back in britain.

Don’t hold your breath while waiting............

I found this today by Hugh Grant :

 

"You will not <deleted> with my children’s future. You will not destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. <deleted> off you over-promoted rubber bath toy. Britain is revolted by you and you little gang of masturbatory prefects. "

 

PERFECT 

????????????????????????????????????????????????????

17 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

"Cheered on by President Donald Trump..."

 

If something is cheered on by Trump, that alone should set off alarm bells.

 

The Brexit debate has gone on for so long that I am not going to bother trying to make a detailed argument, I'll simply make the analogy that leaving the EU without a transition agreement is the equivalent of moving out of a house without another house lined up; it defies common sense.

 

I have said it before and will say it again...

 

Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch

 

 

 

It's actually quite frightening how many reasonably sane normal everyday folk are suddenly praising Boris and his mate R-Mogg and fully expecting them to lead the UK to the promised land!

 

On many FB and other social media groups, the lack of understanding of what this means and the potential consequences and the blind faith being put in the likes of Boris, Farage, etc is staggering. 

 

But it seems we have a fair few posters on TVF who also think the same way.

 

Boris and Trump certainly make a good pair. Notice they both have extra long ties!!

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

diamond geezer,watch him come up trumps in the next few weeks in the leave talks with the eu,he had to suspend parliament to ensure democracy prevails.now the eu KNOWS we mean buisness,their bottles will soon go.

 

Yeah right. Boris holds all the cards. Pure genius.

 

Just watch and see.

 

Let us know in a few weeks how many trumps he comes up with.

 

Irish troubles re-starting. Congress blocking US UK Trade deal to support Ireland. EU refusing trade talks until the 39 billion GBP coughed up. Corbyn and Tory rebels bringing a vote of no confidence. Sound great.

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

perhaps the uk was punching above its weight,and the pound was over valued,just wait until the eu collapses then you,ll see the GREAT  put back in britain.

You could well be right about the UK punching above its weight but right now it's punch drunk with all the BS from Brexiters. Thinking that the EU will collapse is looking into a very wonky crystal ball.

 

This is a typical cowardly act by Johnson who, despite all his rhetoric has never come up with his 'technical' solution to the backstop. Obviously he hasn't one so has to resort to an anti-democratic effort to try to steamroller his no-deal through. Hypocritical no-deal Brexiters applaud his non-democratic action while paying lip service to the original vote, which was democratic but had no no-deal mandate.