3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Absolutely, i don't mind saying that he's an evil genius. Without him, the UK would never have voted to leave the EU. Without him, parliament would not have it's democratic rights taken away. Machiavelli lives.

You overestimate his "genius" and you don't know that he convinced Boris to request a new session from the Queen. The referendum vote would have been leave, with or without Cummings. As for democracy, this has been in danger of extinction over the last 2 years, by the actions of pro-remain MPs who now defy their own party election manifestos and their previous Brexit-related parliamentary votes. 

8 hours ago, Snackbar said:

‘Sterling fell sharply’ - by 0.08%

The actual figure is -0.02%

Wow..... run for the hills, descent into oblivion for the world’s fifth largest economy - project nonsense. 

Every forex trader already priced this chaos in. That's why the British peso already went from € 1,40 till now € 1,1017 ( and remind, when the UK was asked to join the éuro, the exchange rate was € 1,70 ) 

5th largest economy… till Scotland and N-Ireland "leave" too. Bye -the -way: already sunk till nr 7

 

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/  ( 2017) UK = nr 6.

 

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-gdp/

GDP Ranked by Country 2019

What are the countries with the largest economies in the world? Here is a list of the top ten countries with the highest GDP:

1. United States (GDP: $21,410,230)
2. China (GDP: $15,543,710)
3. Japan (GDP: $5,362,220)
4. Germany (GDP: $4,416,800)
5. India (GDP: $3,155,230)
6. France (GDP: $3,060,070)
7. United Kingdom (GDP: $3,022,580)
8. Italy (GDP: $2,261,460)
9. Brazil (GDP: $2,256,850)
10. Canada (GDP: $1,908,530)

5 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Wonderful, a sophisticated, well argued, cleverly reasoned, in depth contribution to the debate. Why am I not surprised.

Probably better received than your "in depth" fantasy.

3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Yes, I agree. I even think it's time to make changes in the UK constitution to establish a parliamentary democracy with a President. ????

The UK does NOT HAVE a constitution. Only a bunch full with laws since the Magna Charta

Just now, puipuitom said:

The UK does NOT HAVE a constitution. Only a bunch full with laws since the Magna Charta

Excuse me!? Doesn't have a constitution? Of course we do. Albeit an unwritten one, but stilll...

No constitution....? Hhhrrmmmpppff..

Posts showing picture of Hitler have been removed, you can stop that right now or you will be going on holiday

19 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Every forex trader already priced this chaos in. That's why the British peso already went from € 1,40 till now € 1,1017 ( and remind, when the UK was asked to join the éuro, the exchange rate was € 1,70 ) 

5th largest economy… till Scotland and N-Ireland "leave" too. Bye -the -way: already sunk till nr 7

 

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/  ( 2017) UK = nr 6.

 

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-gdp/

GDP Ranked by Country 2019

What are the countries with the largest economies in the world? Here is a list of the top ten countries with the highest GDP:

1. United States (GDP: $21,410,230)
2. China (GDP: $15,543,710)
3. Japan (GDP: $5,362,220)
4. Germany (GDP: $4,416,800)
5. India (GDP: $3,155,230)
6. France (GDP: $3,060,070)
7. United Kingdom (GDP: $3,022,580)
8. Italy (GDP: $2,261,460)
9. Brazil (GDP: $2,256,850)
10. Canada (GDP: $1,908,530)

are you telling me the French are better than the UK.... thanks started to worry 555

8 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Boris Johnson is a very smart man.!???? 

You obviously don't see the strings.

2 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Excuse me!? Doesn't have a constitution? Of course we do. Albeit an unwritten one, but stilll...

No constitution....? Hhhrrmmmpppff..

I'm afraid he's right. Nearest thing to a constitution we have is Magna Carta.

 

However, in my opinion that's a good thing. For what others have a constitution, we have the laws of the land, which are easily updatable, unlike a written constitution.

 

A good example is the 2nd amendment to the US constiution (the right to bear arms). 200 years old and totally unfit for purpose in the modern world.However many argue that it cannot be changed because it's part of the Constitution. If it were simply a law it could be changed overnight to allow the US to become a modern foreward thinking nation like the rest of the world (I thought you'd like that 555).

 

Constitutions, totally unnecessary and much overated.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As you are fully aware, the purpose of this move by Johnson is to prevent Parliament interfering in Johnson’s play for no deal Brexit.

 

Nothing less than Government by Executive.

 

Whether Johnson gets away with this and then consequences on British Parliamentary democracy if he does are yet to be seen.

BJ has done nothing illegal and prorogation was talked about for the last few weeks as one of the tools at his disposal to thwart his opposing plotters . At last the UK has a PM who will not take <deleted> from the UK parliamentarians or the EU Muppet team  who have got us into this mess . Are you watching TM ? this is how to be a leader .

As for the 1 million signature protest , is that all they could muster ? 

14 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Excuse me!? Doesn't have a constitution? Of course we do. Albeit an unwritten one, but stilll...

No constitution....? Hhhrrmmmpppff..

The United Kingdom does not have a constitution

     The UK has no written constitution. Nor does England have a constitution, neither written nor formulated. The United Kingdom is one of the few countries of the world that does not have a written constitution: it just has what is known as an "uncodified constitution".
   Thus the only "British Constitution" that exists is a set of rules and regulations constituted by jurisprudence and laws (English and Scottish law), and by various treaties and international agreements to which the United Kingdom has signed up. This uncodified constitution has largely developed out of historic English law, since many of its founding principles and essential laws go back to charters and bills that were drawn up by the English parliament long before the creation of the United Kingdom. 

The only saving grace is at least this nonsense is coming to a head ... faced with a “no deal” Brexit will Parliament simply revoke Article 50 on the eve of that calamity?

 

 

2 minutes ago, superal said:

As for the 1 million signature protest , is that all they could muster ? 

Now 1.2 million and rising fast. It reached 1 million quicker than any government petiton ever.

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

He is a buffoon. It's Dominic Cummings, handsomely paid for by the taxpayer, who came up with the plan to bypass parliamentary democracy.

Must be fake news, the UK couldn't possibly be run by an unelected bureaucrat, there would be brexiteers hanging from every lamppost.

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Now 1.2 million and rising fast. It reached 1 million quicker than any government petiton ever.

Get as many signatures as you like, parliament will be closed so discussing could be problematic.????????????

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Get as many signatures as you like, parliament will be closed so discussing could be problematic.????????????

It already has enough signatures to force parliament to discuss it when it reopens next week.

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

It already has enough signatures to force parliament to discuss it when it reopens next week.

Just another 16 million to go to catch up with the leavers referendum. Good luck with that one, how did the revoke art 50 petition get on?

 

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

There's a new kid in town welcome to the Cross Party Rebel Alliance . Get this through and Bercow will move heaven and earth to do it - then we are in a no confidence motion and most probably a GE. The Brexit Party / Conservatives can rip each other to shreds at the polls and voila  massive majority 2nd ref / remain 'coalition' in the HoC. Bye Bye Brexit - then despatched this toxic sludge to the seventh level of hell where it belongs.

 

The rebels believe Bercow, who is often accused of trying to thwart Brexit by Eurosceptic MPs, will grant a request for an emergency backbench debate – known as an SO24 – on the the first day parliament returns, 3 September.

An amendable motion could then be voted on in a matter of days. If successful it would pass to the Lords who would be required to sit in emergency sessions over the weekend of 7 and 8 September. It must have received royal assent before parliament is prorogued, or the Commons would have to start again from scratch when parliament returns on 14 October.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/28/cross-party-rebel-alliance-gears-up-for-brexit-clash-with-johnson

This is exactly why this faux outrage from the remain establishment is so hypocritical. Remain will use (and have used) every trick in the book to try to stop Brexit, including digging up archaic parliamentary rules from the 1600s. 

One tactical move from Boris for the Leave side, and Dominic Grieve and his chums are almost spontaneously combusting. They don't like a taste of their own medicine. It's quite amusing listening to them though.  

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Just another 16 million to go to catch up with the leavers referendum. Good luck with that one, how did the revoke art 50 petition get on?

 

There's a difference between a petition and a referendum, but you probably wouldn't know that.

3 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

Hi. I am not from UK and have no interest in Brexit or no-Brexit, but what I understand is :

A guy not elected by UK people took the power; wants to impose his personal ideas to govern the country; eliminates democratically elected parliamentarians who could block application of his extreme ideas; …

In other countries we would call that a dictatorship.

You should have stopped at "Hi. I am not from UK and have no interest in Brexit or no-Brexit"

 

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

There's a difference between a petition and a referendum, but you probably wouldn't know that.

Of course there's a difference, one had 17.4 votes the other had just over a million, that's the only difference you need to know.

33 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The UK does NOT HAVE a constitution. Only a bunch full with laws since the Magna Charta

That's the problem. Never developed, never improved, never updated. The country of nobles, counts, dukes, princesses and kings and queens as in medievil times but then there is a modern country highly skilled ready to compete with many others. And now someone behaving like a totalitarian dictator hopefully chased away soon. ????

Strange people these Brits.... ????

3 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

That's the problem. Never developed, never improved, never updated. The country of nobles, counts, dukes, princesses and kings and queens as in medievil times but then there is a modern country highly skilled ready to compete with many others. And now someone behaving like a totalitarian dictator hopefully chased away soon. ????

Strange people these Brits.... ????

But it is updated all the time, just never codified into one document .

 

The UK constitution has not been codified in one document, like the Constitution of South Africa or the Grundgesetz in Germany. However, general constitutional principles run through the law,[5] and central statutes have been recognised as holding "constitutional" value.[6] The main sources of law, which "constitute" the body politic of the UK, are Acts of Parliament, cases decided by courts, and conventions on how the Cabinet, the Prime Minister, Parliament and the Monarch conduct themselves.[7] Through legislation, case law and conventions, at least four main principles are usually recognised.

4 minutes ago, tebee said:

But it is updated all the time, just never codified into one document .

 

The UK constitution has not been codified in one document, like the Constitution of South Africa or the Grundgesetz in Germany. However, general constitutional principles run through the law,[5] and central statutes have been recognised as holding "constitutional" value.[6] The main sources of law, which "constitute" the body politic of the UK, are Acts of Parliament, cases decided by courts, and conventions on how the Cabinet, the Prime Minister, Parliament and the Monarch conduct themselves.[7] Through legislation, case law and conventions, at least four main principles are usually recognised.

Look here :

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/does-britain-need-constitution-debate-sionaidh-douglas-scott-adam-tomkins

That was why I sent my comment. 

I think it's worth to read. 

29 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

only in the UK  (& Thailand) they make such a big (commercial/marketing) deal about the royals and I never understood .... back in 1789 we got rid of them by cutting (Louis XVI in roman mean sixteen) his head off

But that was your countries yobbo days....All changed now, even the Russians changed tack....

49 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I'm afraid he's right. Nearest thing to a constitution we have is Magna Carta.

 

However, in my opinion that's a good thing. For what others have a constitution, we have the laws of the land, which are easily updatable, unlike a written constitution.

 

A good example is the 2nd amendment to the US constiution (the right to bear arms). 200 years old and totally unfit for purpose in the modern world.However many argue that it cannot be changed because it's part of the Constitution. If it were simply a law it could be changed overnight to allow the US to become a modern foreward thinking nation like the rest of the world (I thought you'd like that 555).

 

Constitutions, totally unnecessary and much overated.

In a constitution the rights and duties of the civilians versus the State and vice versa are written down. Not wise, when that can be changed overnight under the ideas of today. But.. lines of rule in a constitution can be changed, in many countries with 2/3 majority, best even over two legislations.

53 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

The United Kingdom does not have a constitution

     The UK has no written constitution. Nor does England have a constitution, neither written nor formulated. The United Kingdom is one of the few countries of the world that does not have a written constitution: it just has what is known as an "uncodified constitution".
   Thus the only "British Constitution" that exists is a set of rules and regulations constituted by jurisprudence and laws (English and Scottish law), and by various treaties and international agreements to which the United Kingdom has signed up. This uncodified constitution has largely developed out of historic English law, since many of its founding principles and essential laws go back to charters and bills that were drawn up by the English parliament long before the creation of the United Kingdom. 

You can read more about United Kingdoms unwritten constitution at the British Library web site:

https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/britains-unwritten-constitution

 

Enjoy!

 

Another happy customer...

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by Forethat

21 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Yes, we did the same with Charles I. Trouble was, that life under Cromwell wasn't as good as it was cracked up to be, so, we installed Charles II and have never looked back since.

So, now the task of Charles III or maybe William V to correct after Lord Protector Boris made a mess out of it ?

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by puipuitom

39 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Yeah, you got it right ¡!!!!!

They are from the same roots. Egomaniacs, narzists, populists. 

Heil Boris ????????????

Comparing Johnson's actions to those of Hitler - I've heard it all now. 

 

Johnson, a man who has called for an amnesty for illegal immigrants, as opposed to a man who wanted to racially cleanse Germany.

A PM who is doing all he can to implement what the majority voted for in a referendum, and to stop scheming MPs from denying the people this opportunity. 

 

And leaving the EU couldn't be further away from trying to take over Europe. 

 

A ridiculous comparison! 

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

lines of rule in a constitution can be changed, in many countries with 2/3 majority, 

 

Exactly what should have happened with the Brexit referendum, rather than the ridiculous parameter set by Cameron.