4 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

It was abundantly clear... leave or stay in.... the options then would be thrashed out by politicians... and we all know what they're like ! 

Can't organise a <deleted>-up in a brewery !

Why keep repeating the same thing when it is very, very clear that is not true. Quite a few posters on here have indicated they voted to leave but want a deal, others have said the only way to leave it with no deal. Now someone says ' This is what I, and I'm sure most leave supporters voted for. ', which is a clear admission it is not clear what people voted for.

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

So wouldn't a confirmatory vote agreed deal vs remain be the democratic thing to do? You and your fellow Brexiteers seem convinced that Brexit would win that even more convincingly, so what's the problem?

 

Luckily I live in a detatched bungalow. Probably not a problem for you either. Do they have balconies in Nakon Nowhere?

A confirmatory vote....????......Tell me, does the UK do that after every general election, you know, just to make sure...?

 

PS. I do have a balcony attached to my bedroom upstairs, but must confess I will have to look up where Nakon Nowhere is, I don't live there...

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Why keep repeating the same thing when it is very, very clear that is not true. Quite a few posters on here have indicated they voted to leave but want a deal, others have said the only way to leave it with no deal. Now someone says ' This is what I, and I'm sure most leave supporters voted for. ', which is a clear admission it is not clear what people voted for.

What on earth are you going on about.....?  ????

Ongoing game for remainers...."second chances"....only available because they lost the first time.

 

 

23 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Have you actuaally got any reliable evidence of this? Sounds like Brexiteer rhetoric to me.

You really don't have a clue, do you?

 

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"On the 10th and 11th of December there will be an international congress in Marrakesh, Morocco, with regard to this Global Compact on Migration. And the participating countries are set to sign this agreement. And although this joint agreement isn’t binding, it’s still meant to be the legal framework on which the participating countries commit themselves to build new legislation. And one basic element of this new agreement is the extension of the definition of hate speech.

 

The agreement wants to criminalize migration speech. Criticism of migration will become a criminal offense, and media outlets, and that also concerns you, that give room to criticism of migration, can be shut down. The Compact for Migration is legalization of mass migration. It’s declaring migration as a human right. So, in fact, it will become impossible to criticize Ms Merkel’s “welcome migrants” politics without being at risk to be jailed for hate speech.”

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, transam said:

What on earth are you going on about.....?  ????

Unfortunately again a one-liner from transam and no answer to anything raised in a post.

Remoaners are traitors. Utterly despicable. At some point they should be called to account for their treachery.

42 minutes ago, vogie said:

What is the point of having another losers vote when the remainers in parliament have catagorically said the would not respect it. Be honest tebee you know as well as anybody on here that another bite of the cherry is just a smokescreen to cancel Brexit.

But the vote 3 years ago was not to leave with no deal, if you are trying to tell people that you are gaslighting them. That is not the democracy leavers keep saying we should respect, it's the old switch and bait con.

 

We are only heading towards no deal because the incompetent leavers insisted on invoking article 50 without a plan. Now they want to convince people that what they voted for so they don't get the blame when it all goes wrong.

 

Why must we charge on ahead over the cliff?  

4 hours ago, jesimps said:

Those in your can't vote section are irrelevant. Those in the "couldn't be bother to leave the sofa" section don't deserve any consideration. (Probably 27% of those would probably have voted to leave anyway.) Therefore the majority of the people eligible to vote voted to leave.

those who couldnt be bothered to leave the sofa are the most significant if they can be convinced to leave the sofa

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Unfortunately again a one-liner from transam and no answer to anything raised in a post.

There is nothing to answer too, you are doing the same stuff as folk you are chastising.....Circles, going round in circles.....

I can repeat that for a couple more lines if you like..????

4 hours ago, jesimps said:

Those in your can't vote section are irrelevant. Those in the "couldn't be bother to leave the sofa" section don't deserve any consideration. (Probably 27% of those would probably have voted to leave anyway.) Therefore the majority of the people eligible to vote voted to leave.

Probably a load of nonsense 

2 minutes ago, metempsychotic said:

those who couldnt be bothered to leave the sofa are the most significant if they can be convinced to leave the sofa

........to go to the chip shop.............????

11 minutes ago, Forethat said:

You really don't have a clue, do you?

 

 

 

 

The agreement has already been signed. It was a UN initiative. The EU per say were not involved. However, the UK did sign on to the agreement, however, several other EU countries, including Italy didn't sign the agreement.. Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU.

 

You really don't have a clue do you?

 

 

Edited September 2, 20196 yr by DannyCarlton

19 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The reason we can't get a deal is because the Tory government screwed up the negotiations! The same Tory party that screwed up the initial referendum which they called to quell rifts in their own party - and for no other reason at the time. The same Tory party which tried unsuccessfully to bi-pass our parliament and constitution by illegal use of the Royal Prerogative. The same Tory party no trying to bi-pass parliament by suspending it for an extra ordinary amount of time. The same Tory party whose government is threatening parliamentary convention by threatening to expel and deselect any MP who votes against the government.

 

Our representative democracy has parliament has the sovereign body. Not the executive. A misbehaving government can, and has, been brought down by a no confidence vote including MP's of its own party. By changing this, they are trying to make the government and the ruling party the sovereign body. MPs are representatives, not delegates. This has very dangerous connotations and will no doubt give Corbyn and the militant left ideas.

 

Your question is difficult to answer, I wish I could. But one thing I wouldn't do is trust a Tory government acting more like fascists, threatening to deselect and expel MP's who dare to have independent thoughts, and who allows a Minister to openly imply the government might not respect the law! These clowns are not above the law, or parliament and their crude attempts at installing their executive with dictatorial powers must be stopped.

The reason we can't get a deal is because the Tory government screwed up the negotiations! The same Tory party that screwed up the initial referendum which they called to quell rifts in their own party - and for no other reason at the time. The same Tory party which tried unsuccessfully to bi-pass our parliament and constitution by illegal use of the Royal Prerogative. The same Tory party no trying to bi-pass parliament by suspending it for an extra ordinary amount of time. The same Tory party whose government is threatening parliamentary convention by threatening to expel and deselect any MP who votes against the government.

 

I think you are being grossly unfair by blaming the entire Tory Party, after all Mrs May and Olly Robbins excluded them all from all the negotiations, even the Brexit ministers were told the stand in the wings. That should not be a reason to abort Brexit or even accept Mrs Mays surrender document. We have a new kid on the block now, I don't think for one minute he is on your Christmas card list, but he has done more in the last couple of months than May did in 3 years, I for one wish him all the luck in the world.

 

As for parliament, it's a total joke, how can Boris play on a level pitch when we have a extremely biased referee in John Bercow and the rest of the self serving MPs.

You don't ask the country for their advice, then when they get back the answer they didn't expect, throw it in the bin. I know it was an advisory referendum, but most of parliament agreed to honour it and triggered art50 making it law.

 

I suppose we should count our blessings by having an opposition led by Corbyn.

1 minute ago, transam said:

........to go to the chip shop.............????

sounds like a good place to put a polling station. 

4 minutes ago, tebee said:

But the vote 3 years ago was not to leave with no deal, if you are trying to tell people that you are gaslighting them. That is not the democracy leavers keep saying we should respect, it's the old switch and bait con.

 

We are only heading towards no deal because the incompetent leavers insisted on invoking article 50 without a plan. Now they want to convince people that what they voted for so they don't get the blame when it all goes wrong.

 

Why must we charge on ahead over the cliff?  

Same ol' from Mr. Wiggles.

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

 

The agreement has already been signed. It was a UN initiative. The EU per say were not involved. However, the UK did sign on to the agreement, however, several other EU countries, including Italy didn't sign the agreement.. Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU.

 

You really don't have a clue do you?

 

 

Well, you know... UN, EU, same same! ????

21 minutes ago, transam said:

What on earth are you going on about.....?  ????

Thanks for that trans, I thought it was me.

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

But the vote 3 years ago was not to leave with no deal, if you are trying to tell people that you are gaslighting them. That is not the democracy leavers keep saying we should respect, it's the old switch and bait con.

 

We are only heading towards no deal because the incompetent leavers insisted on invoking article 50 without a plan. Now they want to convince people that what they voted for so they don't get the blame when it all goes wrong.

 

Why must we charge on ahead over the cliff?  

You are deviating, you asked about another referendum, do you think there would be a point to one if they are going to ignore it if they don't get the answer they want?

13 minutes ago, transam said:

There is nothing to answer too, you are doing the same stuff as folk you are chastising.....Circles, going round in circles.....

I can repeat that for a couple more lines if you like..????

If you feel there is nothing to answer to, don't answer.

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are deviating, you asked about another referendum, do you think there would be a point to one if they are going to ignore it if they don't get the answer they want?

My point is you can't validly use the 2016 referendum to support leaving with no deal as the will of the people. it's not and never has been.

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

 

The agreement has already been signed. It was a UN initiative. The EU per say were not involved. However, the UK did sign on to the agreement, however, several other EU countries, including Italy didn't sign the agreement.. Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU.

 

You really don't have a clue do you?

 

 

My point was that if EU introduces legal frameworks or new legislation, unknown at the time of UK becoming EU-members, should Brexiters have the right to demand a "people's vote" to decide whether UK should stay or not, but I guess you didn't get that. Either.

 

I should also point out that UK did in fact endorse the agreement and voted to adopt the Global Compact on Migration on 19 December 2018.

 

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In response to a written parliamentary question, Lord Bates confirmed on 8 January 2019 that Mr Burt had attended the intergovernmental launch event in Marrakesh in December 2018, representing the UK Government. He explained that the UK had voted in favour of the UN General Assembly Resolution to adopt the GCM on 19 December 2018 and had issued an Explanation of Vote to set on the record its interpretation of the text (see section 5.4). His response also provided a link to a summary of the Explanation on the UN website. This was actually a summary of positions expressed by a range of countries at the UN General Assembly on 19 December

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8459/CBP-8459.pdf

 

But what do you care about facts...

1 minute ago, tebee said:

My point is you can't validly use the 2016 referendum to support leaving with no deal as the will of the people. it's not and never has been.

Yes you can and they have, now please answer the question.

2 minutes ago, Forethat said:

My point was that if EU introduces legal frameworks or new legislation, unknown at the time of UK becoming EU-members, should Brexiters have the right to demand a "people's vote" to decide whether UK should stay or not, but I guess you didn't get that. Either.

 

I should also point out that UK did in fact endorse the agreement and voted to adopt the Global Compact on Migration on 19 December 2018.

 

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8459/CBP-8459.pdf

 

But what do you care about facts...

So the UK was present, the Uk agreed but you still feel the need to blame the EU because you don't agree with it.

 

BTW, the YouTube video you gave earlier was hardly proof, it was the opinion of one person. I'd be much more interested in what the media have to say, they are usually very assertive when it comes to their rights.

15 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, you know... UN, EU, same same! ????

Well, you know... there is no UN Parliament that has declared it's intention to take an active role and legislate.

 

So in case you can't differentiate between UN and EU, here's your chance to learn.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2017/614638/EPRS_BRI(2017)614638_EN.pdf

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

If you feel there is nothing to answer to, don't answer.

I see nothing wrong with me posting, in fact it is great fun reading the few "remainers" posts...

 

Wonder how Bomber is getting on in Portugal, hope he is OK, I do miss his input..

16 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The agreement has already been signed. It was a Un initiative. The EU per say were not involved. However, the UK did sign on to the agreement. Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU.

But the EU does become affected due to its free movement "pillar". It is also becomes affected when it allows influential leaders like Merkel to dictate immigration policy, even temporarily.  

59 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Our representative democracy has parliament has the sovereign body. Not the executive. A misbehaving government can, and has, been brought down by a no confidence vote including MP's of its own party. By changing this, they are trying to make the government and the ruling party the sovereign body. MPs are representatives, not delegates. This has very dangerous connotations and will no doubt give Corbyn and the militant left ideas.

I agree with what you say overall, and well put , but please note - the militant left already got there, they have been trying to deselect any MPs who don't worship the Messiah for a few years already. Fortunately a large part of the party have woken up to the fact that Corbyn's childish Europhobia is a millstone round the party's neck, possibly too late.

18 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

I suppose we should count our blessings by having an opposition led by Corbyn.

He probably won't last that long, you'll never get so lucky again.

6 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Well, you know... there is no UN Parliament that has declared it's intention to take an active role and legislate.

 

So in case you can't differentiate between UN and EU, here's your chance to learn.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2017/614638/EPRS_BRI(2017)614638_EN.pdf

From your link.

 

The global compact on migration (GCM) is of a non-legally binding nature. In 2017, the United States, which initially under the Obama administration supported the GCM in 2016, decided to withdraw its commitment to the GCM, as the Trump administration prefers to apply a more protectionist version of the principle of sovereignty, particularly regarding border management. The current US administration felt that the GCM would be incompatible with US sovereignty. Similar fears were echoed also by other statesthat did not in the end endorse the GCM in Marrakech. These countries include Austria,Australia, Bulgaria, Chile, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Dominican Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Italy, Israel, Latvia, Poland, Slovakia and Switzerland (Switzerland delayed its support until after a vote in parliament).

 

So the UK signing on to a UN policy which many others chose not too.

Nothing to do with the EU. (Unless the USA and Australia etc have joined in the last few weeks?).

1 minute ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I agree with what you say overall, and well put , but please note - the militant left already got there, they have been trying to deselect any MPs who don't worship the Messiah for a few years already. Fortunately a large part of the party have woken up to the fact that Corbyn's childish Europhobia is a millstone round the party's neck, possibly too late.

He probably won't last that long, you'll never get so lucky again.

So why has the Labour party done nothing about it/him, and the even bigger question is why was he voted leader in the first place...?  We ALL know his history.....