What options are left for British PM Johnson on Brexit?

[Bluespunk]

53 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

In my opinion, it is time to bring on the 'unmentionable'.

 

I know that a second referendum is tantamount to heresy for many people, but I believe that the British public at all levels of society are far better informed as to  the ramifications of Brexit now, than they where back in 2016.

 

Personally, I cannot see a single argument in favour of Brexit. I couldn't back then and I my opinion has been reinforced by the revelations since the referendum. And I'm sure there are many thousands of others are now also having second thoughts.

 

It's time that the British public had their say.

 

 

You are not alone in your thinking. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/10/mps-look-to-bring-back-mays-brexit-deal-with-vote-on-referendum

 

 

[Somewhere In Time]

SEND TWO LETTERS

 

...the ensuing theatre would be priceless.

 

SIT

[david555]

2 minutes ago, Somewhere In Time said:

SEND TWO LETTERS

 

...the ensuing theatre would be priceless.

 

SIT

Receiver would just choose which one to follow they like most …..

[BobBKK]

I blame Corbyn. He has not articulated ANY policy. If he would come out and SAY what his parties policy is (2nd Ref or whatever) but all he does is say for 2 years "we want an election" then "we don't want an election" when offered one.

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Somewhere In Time said:

SEND TWO LETTERS

 

...the ensuing theatre would be priceless.

 

SIT

I have to admit I like this option.

 

1. Send the first surrender letter that the cowards in Parliament forced us to send.

2. Immediately follow up with a second letter saying the first letter was just a friendly gag and is superseded by the second letter which states we do not want an extension, and therefore if they approve any extension then our MEP's will obstruct the functioning of the European Parliament in every way possible until we finally leave.

3. We can concurrently test this surrender bill in the courts whilst lobbying Poland, Hungary etc. to veto the extension, as well as instructing our own MEP's to veto the extension on Britain's behalf.

 

That should put the cat amongst the pigeons. 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2019 by JonnyF

[bannork]

37 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nobody voted to Leave with a deal or without a deal.

 

There were only 2 options, Leave or Remain. Leaving with no deal is leaving, is it not? If it is not leaving, please tell me what it is.

It is financial suicide, that's what it is.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, BobBKK said:

I blame Corbyn. He has not articulated ANY policy. If he would come out and SAY what his parties policy is (2nd Ref or whatever) but all he does is say for 2 years "we want an election" then "we don't want an election" when offered one.

Emily Thornbury has made it very clear, they would go to Brussels to secure the best possible deal for the UK then return back to the UK and vote againgst it, how much clarity do you need.

[david555]

1 minute ago, BobBKK said:

I blame Corbyn. He has not articulated ANY policy. If he would come out and SAY what his parties policy is (2nd Ref or whatever) but all he does is say for 2 years "we want an election" then "we don't want an election" when offered one.

Tactic's only tactic's to block the cheater PM. plan....nothing more and very successful , seeing the mess he is in now....

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

It is financial suicide, that's what it is.

Course it is.

 

[spornb]

I believe get out at any cost and start again, like a marriage too much fear of the unknown, the time has come to go

 

15 yrs ago, to get out of an eighteen month marriage, in an overseas country, I had to let go 90% of my world wide assets, a  very very substantial sum, many said madness, I even wondered, but today one of the best decisions of my life

 

The system is unfortunately wrong two thirds majority should be required for major constitutional changes then this mess would not happen

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, spornb said:

I believe get out at any cost and start again, like a marriage too much fear of the unknown, the time has come to go

 

15 yrs ago, to get out of an eighteen month marriage, in an overseas country, I had to let go 90% of my world wide assets, a  very very substantial sum, many said madness, I even wondered, but today one of the best decisions of my life

 

The system is unfortunately wrong two thirds majority should be required for major constitutional changes then this mess would not happen

Yes, but the rules need to be set before the referendum, you cannot say 50/50 and then change to 2/3 after the result comes in at 52/48.

 

I'd certainly support a 2/3 majority for rejoining after we've left though. 

[stephenterry]

43 minutes ago, david555 said:

Something is in the making ….

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/10/mps-look-to-bring-back-mays-brexit-deal-with-vote-on-referendum

MPs look to bring back May's Brexit deal with vote on referendum 
Cross-party majority moving closer as more current and ex-Tories open to idea, source says

 

more...

This is a far better compromise solution:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/group-of-cross-party-mps-launch-bid-to-reach-compromise-brexit-deal/ar-AAH5g2g?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=OIE9HP

 

See Rory Stewart quote:

“If we were to go for a no-deal Brexit, we would have about half the country very angry and alienated. They would feel about no-deal Brexit the way that many of the people I’ve seen recently in the north-east feel about Mrs Thatcher,” he said.

 

“On the other side, if we want for a full remain through a second referendum, you would have about half the country feeling incredibly alienated, angry and tricked.”

 

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Brits have a 'long-standing and mature reputation' for reaching a consensus agreement and, as I hope Johnson told Arlene Foster, the DUP must be willing to accept a viable compromise regarding the Irish backstop.

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2019 by stephenterry
correction

[david555]

2 minutes ago, spornb said:

I believe get out at any cost and start again, like a marriage too much fear of the unknown, the time has come to go

 

15 yrs ago, to get out of an eighteen month marriage, in an overseas country, I had to let go 90% of my world wide assets, a  very very substantial sum, many said madness, I even wondered, but today one of the best decisions of my life

 

The system is unfortunately wrong two thirds majority should be required for major constitutional changes then this mess would not happen

yes 2/3 is needed for serious matters …. 50/50 vote … 1 vote more could  decides for all …..lunacy !!

[Rookiescot]

47 minutes ago, vogie said:

Brino is a form of remain. There is only one form of leave.

 

"depart from, go away from, go from, withdraw from, retire from, take oneself off from, exit from, take one's leave of, pull out of, quit, be gone from, decamp from, disappear from, abandon, vacate, absent oneself from, evacuate"

 

Nowhere there does it say leave one foot in the door.

Nobody voted for no deal.

Farage, Gove Johnson were all at pains to claim we would be leaving with a deal.

It was only after the referendum that the Brexit fundamentalists started claiming everyone had voted for no deal.

[roobaa01]

france wll veto a delay. the uk left is deeply scared about new election for nigel farage and boris would team up and guarantee a bloody nose for corby.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[david555]

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yes, but the rules need to be set before the referendum, you cannot say 50/50 and then change to 2/3 after the result comes in at 52/48.

 

I'd certainly support a 2/3 majority for rejoining after we've left though. 

I think after a few years" out "…..you would not have much problem to get a 2/3 majority to rejoin after the "out" experience ….????

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Making things up and trying to pass them of as credible is not going to work this time either.

Keep running away from reality. 

[david555]

11 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

france wll veto a delay. the uk left is deeply scared about new election for nigel farage and boris would team up and guarantee a bloody nose for corby.

 

wbr

roobaa01

Not yet..., but it is coming the veto's in future , I think Boris is working in that way by behaving ridicule as a P.M. …. so some one else solves HIS promise ...as patience is a bucket and it fills up one moment to overflow...

Edited September 11, 2019 by david555

[JonnyF]

23 minutes ago, david555 said:

I think after a few years" out "…..you would not have much problem to get a 2/3 majority to rejoin after the "out" experience ….????

Let's try it then.

 

A few years out then vote to rejoin (2/3 majority required). That would be democratic, unlike trying to stop the process before we've even left because you think you know better than everyone else. 

[david555]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Let's try it then.

 

A few years out then vote to rejoin (2/3 majority required). That would be democratic, unlike trying to stop the process before we've even left because you think you know better than everyone else. 

Up to the U.K....  you have full freedom to leave from E.U. side …. remember " leave means leave "...etc..... etc ...seems the problem is with half of your own population ...????

Big words but no action 

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

According to the rules of the referendum it was more than enough.

But it was also clear that the referendum was none binding...

[Loiner]

BRINO is a form of leave so would that be acceptable?

Only if you are a Remainer.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Only if you are a Remainer.

 

And for some Leavers. 

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

But it was also clear that the referendum was none binding...

It was an advisory referendum and parliament decided to take the electorates advice, this is fact.

[Loiner]

And for some Leavers. 

Which one is that?

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Which one is that?

All MPs who voted to leave in 2016 and subsequently against no-deal in the Commons. 

[transam]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

"The people have spoken and should never be allowed to speak again "

So you are a concentration camp kinda guy...?

[transam]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Keep running away from reality. 

You never left the start line....????

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You never left the start line....????

I don’t have to. As a European, I can live a pretty life in Thailand and laugh at how Brexiteers are destroying their country. ???? 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I don’t have to. As a European, I can live a pretty life in Thailand and laugh at how Brexiteers are destroying their country. ???? 

You don't appear to have done much laughing up to now.