PM Boris Johnson: Progress in next few days key to Brexit deal chances

[webfact]

UK PM Johnson: Progress in next few days key to Brexit deal chances

 

Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson reacts during the Convention of the North at the Magna Centre in Rotherham, Britain September 13, 2019. Christopher Furlong/Pool via REUTERS

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Sunday the next few days would be key to his chances of securing a Brexit deal, and that an agreement with the European Union was still his aim and still possible.

 

With less than seven weeks remaining until Britain is due to leave the European Union, Johnson has yet to strike a deal with Brussels to manage the unprecedented separation between the world's fifth largest economy and its biggest trading partner.

 

Johnson has pledged to leave the EU with or without a deal on Oct. 31, even though British lawmakers have passed a law which would force him to request a delay beyond that date if he is unable to reach a deal with the EU.

 

The British prime minister travels to Luxembourg on Monday to meet outgoing European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, and has set his sights on winning a revised deal at an EU leaders' summit on Oct. 17-18.

 

"If we can make enough progress in the next few days, I intend to go to that crucial summit on Oct. 17, and finalise an agreement that will protect the interests of business and citizens on both sides of the (English) Channel, and on both sides of the border in Ireland," Johnson wrote in the Daily Telegraph newspaper.

 

"I believe passionately that we can do it, and I believe that such an agreement is in the interests not just of the UK but also of our European friends."

 

Johnson and his ministers have in recent days talked up progress in negotiations with Brussels, but the EU side have consistently sounded less optimistic, putting the emphasis on Britain to come up with new ideas.

 

The future of the land border between EU member Ireland and British province Northern Ireland is the central issue of disagreement both between Johnson and the EU, and between Johnson and British members of parliament - who three times rejected a deal negotiated by his predecessor Theresa May.

 

Since coming to power in July off the back of May's resignation, Johnson has adopted a tougher negotiating stance, vowing that Britain will leave without a deal if it has to and stepping up preparations to mitigate possible food, fuel and medicine shortages attached to that outcome.

 

"It is not and never has been the outcome that I want, but our preparations are by now very extensive," Johnson wrote. "Yes, there may be difficulties ahead, but we will overcome them all."

 

Nevertheless, he has yet to publicly announce new proposals on how to solve the Northern Irish border issue, and has had his options severely limited by parliament, which passed a law aimed at preventing a no-deal Brexit.

 

In his Telegraph article, Johnson criticised parliament for hampering his negotiations by approving the law.

 

"Its effect is completely contrary to the UK's interests – because it has at least given the impression to our partners that the UK is no longer either fully able or determined to leave on Oct 31," he said.

 

"In so far as that impression has been given, it is wrong."

 

(Reporting by Philip George in Bengaluru and William James in London; Editing by Sandra Maler)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-16

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[Basil B]

I doubt he will get anywhere...

 

Other than digging  a bigger hole.

[White Christmas13]

22 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I doubt he will get anywhere...

 

Other than digging  a bigger hole.

yes people at the local hardware store noticed he bought a bigger shovel

[Basil B]

Well the last two weeks have not exactly been a bed of roses, I doubt this week will be any better, The Supreme Court to rule on the legality of his Proroguing of Parliament.

[Basil B]

30 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I doubt he will get anywhere...

 

Other than digging  a bigger hole.

Or should I have wrote:

Other than digging a bigger ditch.

[Chomper Higgot]

Has Johnson actually come up with an alternative set of requirements or is he simply restating the deal on the table is not acceptable?

 

 

[CaptainNemo]

36 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Or should I have wrote:

Other than digging a bigger ditch.

Why is it that the whole Remain contingent comes across as: frightened; negative; hostile; sulky; unreasonable; and pessimistic? It doesn't make any sense. The EU is an obviously failing organisation, with it's members mired in high unemployment, low growth (below inflation), declining quality of life, and recession. The people of Britain finally got a chance to say how they felt, and despite a colossal anti-Brexit establishment propaganda machine working against them, the people were happy and excited to vote for freedom from the failing, corrupt, undemocratic block, and vote for optimism and a restoration of Britain's globally-facing outward-looking, internationally-trading role in the world. Escaping the corrupt byzantine ossified bureaucratic empire to the east, is probably the greatest opportunity for the UK since Henry the VIII was excommunicated by another corrupt byzantine ossified bureacratic empire to the east.

 

The EU is dominated by the UK and Germany, and Germany is anxious about an agile globally-connected free-market nation with strong soft power influence being right on it's doorstep; the potential pressure from the Germany public to refuse to carry the remaining 25 other members presents an existential crisis for the EU. It's not really clear what the Brexaphobes hope to acheive, because the genie is out of the bottle, the UK can't now go back into the EU and be subordinate to Germany, and certainly not France, no matter how many additional rigged referenda the remainers try to set up. The numbers for the EU don't add up, and the impending risk of China defaulting on it's colossal debt will have an impact on the fragile wobbly Jenga towers of debt in the EU. I doubt UK consumers want to be bailing out EU economies.

 

https://www.treasurers.org/thetreasurer/European-and-US-debt-mountains-look-increasingly-untenable

https://www.dw.com/en/debt-and-doom-loops-the-eurozones-italian-nightmare/a-50019077

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/05/european-countries-with-most-government-debt-chart/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/aug/16/warning-signs-for-global-economy-the-countries-spooking-investors

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

Oh dear I have to say there are many posters here who don't seem to understand negotiating. You don't go around telling everyone what you are saying or doing. Like going to buy something you haggle, you don't give your best price straight away.

 

Personally I am hoping for a no deal so all those 'doomsday preppers' will realise, just like those clowns in 2012 who were waiting for the end of the world, it was all a con.

 

Then you have others, who no matter what deal if one is done, will be wanting to stop Brexit. Calling for a second referendum or even revoking article 50 in the name of democracy, which is laughable.

 

 

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

Why is it that the whole Remain contingent comes across as: frightened; negative; hostile; sulky; unreasonable; and pessimistic?

You have described them perfectly. I would add undemocratic and shout down at people to your very good list.

 

4 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

The people of Britain finally got a chance to say how they felt, and despite a colossal anti-Brexit establishment propaganda machine working against them, the people were happy and excited to vote for freedom from the failing, corrupt, undemocratic block, and vote for optimism and a restoration of Britain's globally-facing outward-looking, internationally-trading role in the world

Again so eloquently put. The anti Brexit brigade which is mostly consisted of non Brits here really should read what you have put, so to get some idea of why people voted leave.

 

6 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

It's not really clear what the Brexaphobes hope to acheive, because the genie is out of the bottle, the UK can't now go back into the EU and be subordinate to Germany, and certainly not France, no matter how many additional rigged referenda the remainers try to set up

You hit the nail in the head with this. We all know the EU's way is ignore the referendum result or have another one once they frighten the country into submission. It would seem that those in the EU just can't stand to see other countries like the UK do well and are losing one of the big contributors, keeping most of the 'hanger ons' in funds.

[Loiner]

Remainers are getting desperate. The EU is getting desperate. We are getting closer to Brexit.


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[sammieuk1]

If the 31st fails as is looking very likely the 12th of never is still available????

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has Johnson actually come up with an alternative set of requirements or is he simply restating the deal on the table is not acceptable?

 

 

 

Apart from the usual mumblings and vague comments - no.

 

He's really hoping he'll somehow bumble through and someone will come up with something at the last minute that'll save the day. Then he hope to claim all the credit and be voted in at the next GE with a thumping majority as the sheeple show their thanks.

 

 

[tebee]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear I have to say there are many posters here who don't seem to understand negotiating. You don't go around telling everyone what you are saying or doing. Like going to buy something you haggle, you don't give your best price straight away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

problem is to get a deal, you still have to tell the other side what you want, something Boris apparently hasn't done.

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

problem is to get a deal, you still have to tell the other side what you want, something Boris apparently hasn't done.

 

He hasn't got a solution. He's hoping that by threatening the EU with a no-deal, they'll come up with something he can shove through parliament; using similar threats on parliament.

 

His latest according to the BBC is he's going to tell Juncker that whatever extension the EU offer in response to his forced letter, he'll refuse to accept it. He's sailing very close to the wind now, risking contempt of court and breaking the law, which indicates desperation and an all or nothing gamble. Scandalous that this Bullingdon club boozer is being allowed to gamble with the UK's fate.

[Laughing Gravy]

25 minutes ago, tebee said:

problem is to get a deal, you still have to tell the other side what you want, something Boris apparently hasn't done.

Maybe he has told them, we don't really know unless of course you have a crystal ball.

 

Or the other side, as you put it, don't agree with it and are hoping the bunch of treacherous and traitor MP's, will do their bidding and prevent them having to agree to any deal, other than the one they really want. Like keeping the UK in the EU.

 

[Enoon]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has Johnson actually come up with an alternative set of requirements or is he simply restating the deal on the table is not acceptable?

 

 

 

Or just....plain.....lying....................again.

 

 

[cleopatra2]

26 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Maybe he has told them, we don't really know unless of course you have a crystal ball.

 

Or the other side, as you put it, don't agree with it and are hoping the bunch of treacherous and traitor MP's, will do their bidding and prevent them having to agree to any deal, other than the one they really want. Like keeping the UK in the EU.

 

D Raab has just stated that any deal regarding the NI border needs the consent of all parties in NI.

Seems somewhat a bit difficult without Stormont sitting

[stephenterry]

44 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Maybe he has told them, we don't really know unless of course you have a crystal ball.

 

Or the other side, as you put it, don't agree with it and are hoping the bunch of treacherous and traitor MP's, will do their bidding and prevent them having to agree to any deal, other than the one they really want. Like keeping the UK in the EU.

 

Which are the DUP and ERG rebels who prevented you lot from leaving the EU in March. About time you acknowledged that. Head in sand as usual.

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, CaptainNemo said:

Why is it that the whole Remain contingent comes across as: frightened; negative; hostile; sulky; unreasonable; and pessimistic? It doesn't make any sense. The EU is an obviously failing organisation, with it's members mired in high unemployment, low growth (below inflation), declining quality of life, and recession. The people of Britain finally got a chance to say how they felt, and despite a colossal anti-Brexit establishment propaganda machine working against them, the people were happy and excited to vote for freedom from the failing, corrupt, undemocratic block, and vote for optimism and a restoration of Britain's globally-facing outward-looking, internationally-trading role in the world. Escaping the corrupt byzantine ossified bureaucratic empire to the east, is probably the greatest opportunity for the UK since Henry the VIII was excommunicated by another corrupt byzantine ossified bureacratic empire to the east.

 

The EU is dominated by the UK and Germany, and Germany is anxious about an agile globally-connected free-market nation with strong soft power influence being right on it's doorstep; the potential pressure from the Germany public to refuse to carry the remaining 25 other members presents an existential crisis for the EU. It's not really clear what the Brexaphobes hope to acheive, because the genie is out of the bottle, the UK can't now go back into the EU and be subordinate to Germany, and certainly not France, no matter how many additional rigged referenda the remainers try to set up. The numbers for the EU don't add up, and the impending risk of China defaulting on it's colossal debt will have an impact on the fragile wobbly Jenga towers of debt in the EU. I doubt UK consumers want to be bailing out EU economies.

 

https://www.treasurers.org/thetreasurer/European-and-US-debt-mountains-look-increasingly-untenable

https://www.dw.com/en/debt-and-doom-loops-the-eurozones-italian-nightmare/a-50019077

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/05/european-countries-with-most-government-debt-chart/

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/aug/16/warning-signs-for-global-economy-the-countries-spooking-investors

The governmental debt is ONE part of the total debt. Add the company, but especially the private debt to it, you will see a different story. Second; governmental debt bears the lowest interest. Also when it comes on average wealth, the British have to accept a place AFTER the French.

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

He hasn't got a solution. He's hoping that by threatening the EU with a no-deal, they'll come up with something he can shove through parliament; using similar threats on parliament.

 

His latest according to the BBC is he's going to tell Juncker that whatever extension the EU offer in response to his forced letter, he'll refuse to accept it. He's sailing very close to the wind now, risking contempt of court and breaking the law, which indicates desperation and an all or nothing gamble. Scandalous that this Bullingdon club boozer is being allowed to gamble with the UK's fate.

Juncker ( read: the EU member state’s leaders) just waits, till the British face the import duty into the EU of their products - being from "third countries = WTO rule -  make a LOT of them out of competition = closure of jobs in the UK. Than as extra a Schengen visa if any Brit want to visit the EU - like all other from "third countries" need, and the JOY of being "free" will evaporate quite soon. 

Then it is "sign at the cross" and it's over with the Thatcher my money back and the rest of British sabotage of the EU. 

[sawadee1947]

6 hours ago, CaptainNemo said:

Why is it that the whole Remain contingent comes across as: frightened; negative; hostile; sulky; unreasonable; and pessimistic? It doesn't make any sense. The EU is an obviously failing organisation, with it's members mired in high unemployment, low growth (below inflation), declining quality of life, and recession. The people of Britain finally got a chance to say how they felt, and despite a colossal anti-Brexit establishment propaganda machine working against them, the people were happy and excited to vote for freedom from the failing, corrupt, undemocratic block, and vote for optimism and a restoration of Britain's globally-facing outward-looking, internationally-trading role in the world. Escaping the corrupt byzantine ossified bureaucratic empire to the east, is probably the greatest opportunity for the UK since Henry the VIII was excommunicated by another corrupt byzantine ossified bureacratic empire to the east.

 

The EU is dominated by the UK and Germany, and Germany is anxious about an agile globally-connected free-market nation with strong soft power influence being right on it's doorstep; the potential pressure from the Germany public to refuse to carry the remaining 25 other members presents an existential crisis for the EU. It's not really clear what the Brexaphobes hope to acheive, because the genie is out of the bottle, the UK can't now go back into the EU and be subordinate to Germany, and certainly not France, no matter how many additional rigged referenda the remainers try to set up. The numbers for the EU don't add up, and the impending risk of China defaulting on it's colossal debt will have an impact on the fragile wobbly Jenga towers of debt in the EU. I doubt UK consumers want to be bailing out EU economies.

 

https://www.treasurers.org/thetreasurer/European-and-US-debt-mountains-look-increasingly-untenable

https://www.dw.com/en/debt-and-doom-loops-the-eurozones-italian-nightmare/a-50019077

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/05/european-countries-with-most-government-debt-chart/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/aug/16/warning-signs-for-global-economy-the-countries-spooking-investors

 

 

Totally rubbish. 

Always repeating the old story that Brits voted to leave the club. 

However. Laddie, how many times you changed your mind within 3 or not 4 years because of more precise information. 

Grant Britain same. 

All facts are on the table and show a desaster if leaving, at least without a deal. 

The future of countries is not in restriction, populism, or nationalism but in open minded society with global economy. 

You always forget that you have to deal with EU after October. And be sure the deal would not be as good as before. 

Also be sure that you have to follow all EU rules unless you don't want trading with us.

But also I'm sure that Brits are not as stupid as that. Only a few as I can see. ????

[Basil B]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The British prime minister travels to Luxembourg on Monday to meet outgoing European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, and has set his sights on winning a revised deal at an EU leaders' summit on Oct. 17-18.

Well Boris's negotiating skills are renowned, remember as foreign secretary what he did for 

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe?

 

[Caldera]

Note to Boris, the Circus Clown of Questionable Talent:

 

If you see progress, but everyone else doesn't, you might not be enlightened or a visionary. You could very well just be delusional.

[metisdead]

A post containing offensive references to Remainers has been removed as well as the replies. 

[Loiner]

Well Boris's negotiating skills are renowned, remember as foreign secretary what he did for 
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe?
 

Why should he have done anything? An Iranian jailed in Iran, regardless of what passport she was given.

[tebee]

10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear I have to say there are many posters here who don't seem to understand negotiating. You don't go around telling everyone what you are saying or doing. Like going to buy something you haggle, you don't give your best price straight away.

 

Personally I am hoping for a no deal so all those 'doomsday preppers' will realise, just like those clowns in 2012 who were waiting for the end of the world, it was all a con.

 

Then you have others, who no matter what deal if one is done, will be wanting to stop Brexit. Calling for a second referendum or even revoking article 50 in the name of democracy, which is laughable.

 

 

 

 

Well, according to EU sources, as quoted by the FT, he's mode no new specific proposals .

 

 

 One EU diplomat accused Mr Johnson of appearing “erratic” as he vows to break free of the bloc while at the same time playing up the chances of a deal. 

"His strategy seems to change day by day," the diplomat said. “Right now we are getting a lot of aspiration from the UK negotiators and not a lot of substance or concrete proposals. It is not a constructive background to the meeting with Juncker.”

 

Source 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/36180344-d7b6-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

[oldhippy]

11 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear I have to say there are many posters here who don't seem to understand negotiating. You don't go around telling everyone what you are saying or doing. Like going to buy something you haggle, you don't give your best price straight away.

 

Personally I am hoping for a no deal so all those 'doomsday preppers' will realise, just like those clowns in 2012 who were waiting for the end of the world, it was all a con.

 

Then you have others, who no matter what deal if one is done, will be wanting to stop Brexit. Calling for a second referendum or even revoking article 50 in the name of democracy, which is laughable.

 

 

 

 

QUOTE: Oh dear I have to say there are many posters here who don't seem to understand negotiating.

 

This pic illustrates Boris' negotiating skills.....

A joint press conference with the Luxemburg PM, after Boris' visit today.

 

 

[tebee]

   

 Some might remember in mid August, Mrs Merkel suggested that Mr Johnson produced, in writing, his idea of alternative arrangements which might be a basis for an agreement. (Allow some flexibility in translation here.) Many on the mainland, who wish UK well and could be described as friends of UK, are still  waiting to see what he will do, those  30 days are rapidly running out.

What has been happening ? It seems he will not be bringing any fresh document to Luxembourg. Why go then? the recent trip to Dublin did not see him producing anything concrete.

It's difficult not to conclude that he is not serious and all this huffing and puffing is just aimed at achieving some domestic electoral advantage. 

No substance, no concrete proposals. The conclusion  that Mr Johnson is erratic with a strategy that changes day by day rather than any solid ideas seems inescapable.
 

[Laughing Gravy]

3 hours ago, oldhippy said:

QUOTE: Oh dear I have to say there are many posters here who don't seem to understand negotiating.

 

This pic illustrates Boris' negotiating skills.....

A joint press conference with the Luxemburg PM, after Boris' visit today.

 

 

Actually he did exceptionally well against a hostile crowd that shouldn't even be allowed anywhere near. it just shows how Luxembourg couldn't organise a p up in a brewery and the PM seeing the dirty underhand tricks the EU will stoop too. 

 

Have you watched the footage, a bunch of yobs screaming and shouting abuse. He negotiated splendidly.

[tebee]

25 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Actually he did exceptionally well against a hostile crowd that shouldn't even be allowed anywhere near. it just shows how Luxembourg couldn't organise a p up in a brewery and the PM seeing the dirty underhand tricks the EU will stoop too. 

 

Have you watched the footage, a bunch of yobs screaming and shouting abuse. He negotiated splendidly.

Boris seems to attract a hostile crowd wherever he goes these days !

 

It seems to unsettle him - the clown can't handle being booed.