Teenager Thunberg angrily tells U.N. climate summit 'you have stolen my dreams'

[canuckamuck]

59 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Nope. They were conforming to the directives of their messed up strong men dictators. That is not idealism. 

That's not right. Anyone can be idealistic, it doesn't mean they are right, or the people they follow are right. Idealism can be molded to evil just as easily as it can be for good. Suicide bombers are idealists. So are kids in the peace corp.

History has unending examples of people doing terrible things for a cause they thought to be noble.

This generation of kids have been lied to and manipulated since their first day of school. How is it possible for them to even know the truth?

The Khmer rouge knew how to use kids to do the most brutal tasks. I worry about how this will all end really.  The fuse is being lit.

[Lacessit]

22 minutes ago, Longcut said:

From what I read on a TVF. It appears that the world is in such bad shape that it is no longer worth saving. So, why get your panties in a bunch. Just enjoy the time left. I'm sure the world will still be here when I am long gone. 

Ah, but there might not be anyone around to water the flowers on your grave.

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

That's not right. Anyone can be idealistic, it doesn't mean they are right, or the people they follow are right. Idealism can be molded to evil just as easily as it can be for good. Suicide bombers are idealists. So are kids in the peace corp.

History has unending examples of people doing terrible things for a cause they thought to be noble.

This generation of kids have been lied to and manipulated since their first day of school. How is it possible for them to even know the truth?

The Khmer rouge knew how to use kids to do the most brutal tasks. I worry about how this will all end really.  The fuse is being lit.

Please explain to me the difference between the so-called lying and manipulation based on scientific fact you think is being inflicted on this generation, and the ongoing religious instruction of millions of children in various faiths which has no foundation of fact.

What's that Pascal quote again? " Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction".

[Nyezhov]

3 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Not working too well is it? Percentage of US citizens living below the poverty line 1.2%

 

 

 

 

Thats because we have crime ridden, s***hole inner cities like Detroit, Chicago, NY, anywhere in Cali, St. Louis, etc run by Democrats.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Saint Nick said:

Okay....veeeeeery slowly now!

It was a global event in many countries, televised globally!

I would have been way more surprised not to read any English- language signs, then the other way around!

But then again: I am not wearing a hat, made from aluminum- foil...

Let me guess - you are wearing blinkers?

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Please explain to me the difference between the so-called lying and manipulation based on scientific fact you think is being inflicted on this generation, and the ongoing religious instruction of millions of children in various faiths which has no foundation of fact.

What's that Pascal quote again? " Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction".

I have no problem if you call the environmental movement a religion. Has the same features as a cult movement.

[Lacessit]

Just now, Nyezhov said:

I have no problem if you call the environmental movement a religion. Has the same features as a cult movement.

Oh dear. I'm pointing out religions are based on belief, not fact. The environment is a fact. One that will bite us on the bum if we don't pull our finger out.

[canuckamuck]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Please explain to me the difference between the so-called lying and manipulation based on scientific fact you think is being inflicted on this generation, and the ongoing religious instruction of millions of children in various faiths which has no foundation of fact.

What's that Pascal quote again? " Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction".

You are trying to prove something irrelevant to my point. Of course I will agree that people have been doing evil under the guise of righteousness. These days righteousness has taken a slightly different form, so no difference really.

Does that make it right in your book?

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Oh dear. I'm pointing out religions are based on belief, not fact. The environment is a fact. One that will bite us on the bum if we don't pull our finger out.

well when you find me some "climate Models" not based on fraud, let me know. At least Yeshua was a real person, If you beleive Tacitus and Josephus.

[dabhand]

It is striking, to me, that all the focus concerning global environmental issues seems to be totally focused on this climate change issue.

It was not that long ago that similar angst was being expressed over the global population explosion, whereas now there is limited, if any, mention of this matter. Yet, the numbers continue to increase and the projections, particularly in Africa, are frightening. As noted in this wiki article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth

Why should that be? After all, surely there can be no room for doubt over causes and potential future impact (for both the CC zealots and deniers). Yet, there are no demonstrations, fiery speeches, UN discussions  or commitments by those countries that will be heavily impacted in future decades.

This should be an easier sell, with the clear positive byproduct of being an action that should give climate change proponents a warm glow.

Yet, it rarely gets a mention. It's almost as if some 'important' folk can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Or....

Hmmmm.

 

  

 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

No actually, Im an advocate for the US Constitution, the greatest political document ever written, and each and every one of its terms.

 

The actual slogan is Molon Labe. But we dont speculate about that because no true American politician even thinks of advocating seizing guns from lawful citizens, since that would be tyrannical. 

 

Wait did I miss something.....

No true American politician? O the irony. Or was it an oxymoron?

[Nyezhov]

Just now, Lacessit said:

No true American politician? O the irony. Or was it an oxymoron?

Naw, there are some politicos who are "true americans"(personally I like Dan Crenshaw myself and even a touch of the Tulsi now and then, when she takes her meds so she doenst look so..intense) so its not an Oxymoron like jumbo shrimp, military intelligence, australian culture, etc......

[DrTuner]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Your comparison with Hitler is highly offensive.

Why? It's ok to compare to anything. In this case, Hitler's rise to power is interesting, especially the speeches he gave in the beer halls. Very passionate and full of BS, fueled by hate against supposed enemies. Germans lapped it up and before you know it, he'd taken over the socialist party and slid it right over the left side into fascism, a close cousin of communism. I see many similarities with this and the new climatism. All pulling on the heart strings with zero solutions but enormous hunger for power.

[Lacessit]

16 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

well when you find me some "climate Models" not based on fraud, let me know. At least Yeshua was a real person, If you beleive Tacitus and Josephus.

Models tell us what might happen - sometimes. They depend on the data that is fed into them. Not necessarily fraudulent, but there is the possibility of GIGO.

I refer what is happening as we speak. Iceland loses a glacier. The Amazon burns. The Larsen Ice Shelf shrinks faster than ever before. The Great Barrier Reef has extensive dieback. Australia had a heat cell over its interior 1 or 2 years ago that broke all records - 54 C , or 129 F in your antiquated American nomenclature.

That's not models. It's happening now, and observed with great alarm by scientists and informed laypeople.

[DrTuner]

8 hours ago, brokenbone said:

" “We have proposed Greta Thunberg because if we do nothing to halt climate change it will be the cause of wars, conflict and refugees,” said Norwegian Socialist MP Freddy André Øvstegård. “ "

 

my gawd, dont ridicule yerself, PLEASE, PLEASE,

youre also ridiculing the nobel prize

The "peace" price is an abomination. The real ones for science are the ones that'll suffer. Same happened to Oscars, instead of entertainment it's now fully identity politics. The gist of it is clear in that quote too, "Socialist MP". It's a power play.

[JamesBlond]

3 hours ago, JDGRUEN said:

It is notable that climate zealots near totally ignore the staggering evidence of prehistoric global cooling / warming and climate change.  Could that have something to do with the Fact that there were scant few humans to blame it on?Oh I know it was the farts from the Megafauna that did it - Right?

Read an impartial book on the topic. If you want an easy read try Bill Bryson's 'Short History of the Nearly Everything' which is a history of scientific discovery.

 

Fact is, global climate is extremely sensitive. Some of the prehistoric changes come from meteorites sending up a cloud of dust and it has a runaway effect. Human activity is now having similar effects - there's no surprise about this. From my window I can see the discoloration of the sky on the horizon. In China you cannot even see the sky for much of the time. Ignorance of cause-and effect is now a serious threat to life on earth. There's no excuse. If restraint is too tall an order, at the very least we need to prudence.

 

[Saint Nick]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Let me guess - you are wearing blinkers?

I am not really getting this remark?

Did you read the whole conversation, this is about?

Or are you just being sarcastic on my behalf?

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Why? It's ok to compare to anything. In this case, Hitler's rise to power is interesting, especially the speeches he gave in the beer halls. Very passionate and full of BS, fueled by hate against supposed enemies. Germans lapped it up and before you know it, he'd taken over the socialist party and slid it right over the left side into fascism, a close cousin of communism. I see many similarities with this and the new climatism. All pulling on the heart strings with zero solutions but enormous hunger for power.

FYI Aspergers have no interest whatsoever in manipulating people. It is one of their most salient traits. That is why the comparison is so odious.

 

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, Saint Nick said:

I am not really getting this remark?

Did you read the whole conversation, this is about?

Or are you just being sarcastic on my behalf?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe the sarcasm was started by you.

[Nyezhov]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Models tell us what might happen - sometimes. They depend on the data that is fed into them. Not necessarily fraudulent, but there is the possibility of GIGO.

I refer what is happening as we speak. Iceland loses a glacier. The Amazon burns. The Larsen Ice Shelf shrinks faster than ever before. The Great Barrier Reef has extensive dieback. Australia had a heat cell over its interior 1 or 2 years ago that broke all records - 54 C , or 129 F in your antiquated American nomenclature.

That's not models. It's happening now, and observed with great alarm by scientists and informed laypeople.

But climate is more than an anomaly in local weather conditions, it is measured in years, decades, centuries. And the very basis for "global warming" is a fraud. Because you cant tell me what the temperature was in in Interior Oz two hundred years ago, much less in Joplin, Mo or Chiang Mai

[spidermike007]

Good on her. Someone has to tell the leaders with their heads buried in the sand and their wallets tethered to corporate lobbyists. My guess is for a petty and thin skinned guy like Trump, even harder to hear it from a young person, than an adult. 

 

She is a hero to many. It takes guts to do what she is doing. Perhaps the youth will end up saving us after all. There is a small percentage of today's youth that is quite impressive. 

[spidermike007]

14 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

But climate is more than an anomaly in local weather conditions, it is measured in years, decades, centuries. And the very basis for "global warming" is a fraud. Because you cant tell me what the temperature was in in Interior Oz two hundred years ago, much less in Joplin, Mo or Chiang Mai

Sorry to burst your bubble of defensive ignorance, but 800,000 year old ice samples do not tell lies. Politicians do. 

 

Deny the science, the data and the evidence all you want. It does not change the natural world one iota. 

[sanemax]

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Good on her. Someone has to tell the leaders with their heads buried in the sand and their wallets tethered to corporate lobbyists. My guess is for a petty and thin skinned guy like Trump, even harder to hear it from a young person, than an adult. 

 

She is a hero to many. It takes guts to do what she is doing. Perhaps the youth will end up saving us after all. There is a small percentage of today's youth that is quite impressive. 

She seems delusional .

Its highly unlikely that the human race will cease to exist with her generation 

[DrTuner]

34 minutes ago, dabhand said:

It is striking, to me, that all the focus concerning global environmental issues seems to be totally focused on this climate change issue.

It was not that long ago that similar angst was being expressed over the global population explosion, whereas now there is limited, if any, mention of this matter. Yet, the numbers continue to increase and the projections, particularly in Africa, are frightening. As noted in this wiki article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth

Why should that be? After all, surely there can be no room for doubt over causes and potential future impact (for both the CC zealots and deniers). Yet, there are no demonstrations, fiery speeches, UN discussions  or commitments by those countries that will be heavily impacted in future decades.

This should be an easier sell, with the clear positive byproduct of being an action that should give climate change proponents a warm glow.

Yet, it rarely gets a mention. It's almost as if some 'important' folk can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Or....

Hmmmm.

It's because there's no money to be made from the poor African countries, so nobody gives a toss if they breed like rabbits, until they show up at the borders and you got yourself a problem. 

 

Some are at least trying: https://populationmatters.org/

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

But climate is more than an anomaly in local weather conditions, it is measured in years, decades, centuries. And the very basis for "global warming" is a fraud. Because you cant tell me what the temperature was in in Interior Oz two hundred years ago, much less in Joplin, Mo or Chiang Mai

There are things such as ice cores which track temperature changes over millennia. But that is not the point. So there have been changes millions of years ago - so what? The inexorable laws of thermodynamics are saying it is our activity since the Industrial Revolution which is driving the current cycle. The argument that the present changes are part of natural cycles is wrong.

[DrTuner]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

She seems delusional .

Its highly unlikely that the human race will cease to exist with her generation 

The western one might. There was a good point earlier, it's useless trying to tell teenage girls what to do. Which means she's thoroughly been brainwashed pre-teen, school or parents. Who exactly are her parents, some leftist advocates?

[Nyezhov]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

But that is not the point.

that is the point. No baseline, no change. And the baseline we are now coming to realize is a fraud. Ice cores or not. Becasue the Ice core data doesnt support the model, it never did. It was a fraud from the get go.

[Nyezhov]

8 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Sorry to burst your bubble of defensive ignorance, but 800,000 year old ice samples do not tell lies. Politicians do. 

 

Deny the science, the data and the evidence all you want. It does not change the natural world one iota. 

Sorry to burst your bubble of ecofascism: Michael Mann.

[Nyezhov]

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

 

She is a hero to many. 

And a shill to others. And a pathetic child being used by potential tyrants to others. And just another mouthy kid to others.

 

Sorry dude, just because your heros call for eco dictatorship doesnt mean they should be heros to us all. My hero is Zlatan Ibrahimovich, but if he tried to take my burger he wouldnt be my hero.

[spidermike007]

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Sorry to burst your bubble of ecofascism: Michael Mann.

Just keep your head in the sand. Nothing ever changes, right? Never the fault of man. The planet is so vast, we can pollute the ocean with an unlimited amount of plastic, oil, and waste, and it will never make a difference. We can spew an unlimited amount of pollution and toxic gases into the atmosphere, and nothing will ever change. We are not responsible for any harm, of any kind, on any level. Right? 

 

At least that is what big industry, morally bankrupt and irresponsible leaders, and their super corrupt lobbyists say. Why not believe them?