U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Note that Sean Hannity's show is technically "entertainment", and not "news", at least according to Fox. 

 

I'll stipulate that, as it airs 9:00 PM, it is not "late-night" - gotta catch the catheter crowd before they nod off. It is pretty funny though.

 

Per Wikipedia:

 

Hannity is an American television political talk program on Fox News Channel hosted by Sean Hannity.

 

Calling it "technically "Entertainment"" is false.  Please retract your false statement.

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Tippaporn

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Per Wikipedia:

 

Hannity is an American television political talk program on Fox News Channel hosted by Sean Hannity.

 

Calling it "technically "Entertainment"" is false.  Please retract your false statement.

 

Fox says its entertainment. Not news

[Opl]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Fox says its entertainment. Not news

Trump says it's a 'great and very accurate show'

Donald Trump posted nearly 10 minutes of clips from Sean Hannity's show in a succession of tweets last night as the Fox News host came to the President's defense amid the swirling Ukraine scandal.  

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Opl

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Fox says its entertainment. Not news

I've searched and could not find Fox labeling Hannity as entertainment.

[mtls2005]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Please retract your false statement.

 

Well it is certainly not "news".

 

And it is entertaining.

 

And yes, it is bundled under the Fox News banner.

 

Yes, I was wrong, it is "technically" and editorially an opinion show.

 

But still not "news". So it shouldn't be allowed under that imprimatur.

 

 

[Jingthing]

Fox does clearly differentiate between it's facts based actual news programming which is actually pretty good and the "trump" propaganda channel content including of course Hannity and that insipid Fox and Friends show. 

[Opl]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I've searched and could not find Fox labeling Hannity as entertainment.

Fox News anchor Shep Smith said last year that Hannity was “part of the opinion side” on the network, where the hosts “don’t really have rules. “Some of our opinion programming is there strictly to be entertaining,” Smith said. “I get that. I don’t work there. I wouldn’t work there.””  

Hannity said his show is “like the whole newspaper.”

Edited October 1, 2019 by Opl

[thaibeachlovers]

31 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Per Wikipedia:

 

Hannity is an American television political talk program on Fox News Channel hosted by Sean Hannity.

 

Calling it "technically "Entertainment"" is false.  Please retract your false statement.

 

LOL. Anyone that watches Fox a lot knows that Hannity, and all the other shows at the same time are opinion AND entertainment. They may show news at times as part of the show, but they don't claim to be a "NEWS" show.

I watched a lot of Fox when I was in LOS, and was very entertained by most of them, but Hannity was often a bit too OTT right wing for me, especially on the subject of a small nation in the Middle East.

 

PS, Fox does show news as well, but it's mainly US news and was of no interest to me.

Edited October 1, 2019 by thaibeachlovers

[Tippaporn]

28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Anyone that watches Fox a lot knows that Hannity, and all the other shows at the same time are opinion AND entertainment. They may show news at times as part of the show, but they don't claim to be a "NEWS" show.

I watched a lot of Fox when I was in LOS, and was very entertained by most of them, but Hannity was often a bit too OTT right wing for me, especially on the subject of a small nation in the Middle East.

 

PS, Fox does show news as well, but it's mainly US news and was of no interest to me.

Hannity is certainly not a news show but they do at times have investigative journalists as guests who break real news stories that they themselves have worked on.  It may be entertaining for some people but I do not believe it's marketed as entertainment.  I've never considered political talk shows as entertainment myself.  Nothing entertaining about the subject matter to me.

 

I either turn Hannity off or, watching on YT, skip past his a.r_se kissing of that small nation in the Middle East.  I've said all along, everyone has bias and that's my reason for why I don't consider any single news/political commentary source as having a corner on the market of truth.  Sometimes they have worthwhile information and analysis and sometimes not.  But never 100% of the time.

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Tippaporn

[candide]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Fox does clearly differentiate between it's facts based actual news programming which is actually pretty good and the "trump" propaganda channel content including of course Hannity and that insipid Fox and Friends show. 

I seldom watch Fox News. I did have a look during the last few days because I was curious to see how they dealt with this impeachment topic. I must admit I have been surprised to see how cautiously they dealt with it in the pure news programs, and were always presenting the pro and con arguments. They surely did not want to look like they were supporting Trump on this matter.

 

[Kelsall]

This is another one of those "the beginning of the end for Donald Trump" things we have heard since he won the election. 

 

As I wrote elsewhere, this is yet another nothing-burger.

[Tippaporn]

Politico - Jan. 11, 2017

 

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

 

Submitted with no comment (necessary).

[roobaa01]

WinRed donald's new donation plaform for small amounts raked in a tremedous usd $ 11.7mio since pelosi announced the impeachment move, it shows also an opinion ......we are sick of dem

fools impeachment charades.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Deleted Firsthand Knowledge Requirement For Whistleblowers Implicates Another Federal Agency

 

Looks like more out of the ordinary changes other than the acceptance of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th hand knowledge were made by a Federal Agency.  And coincidentally it's another change that helps facilitate the whistle blower complaint.

 

As of today there still has not been any explanation as to why the whistle blower complaint form was changed.  Why?  They obviously changed the policy because they had a reason to do so.  All the agency needs to do is to make public that reason.  Putting off a disclosure may mean they don't want that reason to become public.

No explanation because there was no change.  https://www.yahoo.com/gma/legal-experts-debunk-trumps-claim-whistleblower-rules-were-221903684.html

 

So what if the whistle blower information is second hand?  Has any of it been proven inaccurate?  The key points have been verified by the release of the official phone call transcript,

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Per Wikipedia:

 

Hannity is an American television political talk program on Fox News Channel hosted by Sean Hannity.

 

Calling it "technically "Entertainment"" is false.  Please retract your false statement.

 

I don't find Hannity's program entertaining, but it is certainly not news. 

 

Hannity is a pundit, he doesn't report news, he edits and interprets it in a manner to confirm the biases of his audience.

[Tug]

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

This is another one of those "the beginning of the end for Donald Trump" things we have heard since he won the election. 

 

As I wrote elsewhere, this is yet another nothing-burger.

Would you like your nothing burger bun toasted?

[Jingthing]

WinRed donald's new donation plaform for small amounts raked in a tremedous usd $ 11.7mio since pelosi announced the impeachment move, it shows also an opinion ......we are sick of dem
fools impeachment charades.
 
wbr
roobaa01

So what? All he'll ever have is his base. He never grows it.

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[Jingthing]

Would you like your nothing burger bun toasted?

The 45 fans wouldn't see a something burger if it slapped them in the face. The facts based world realizes there has been a massive sea change in recent days but never mind the true believers carry on with willful ignorance. Funny actually.

 

Already the majority of Americans support impeachment of 45. And this has only just begun. The Nixon public opinion change wasn't nearly this fast.

 

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[Kelsall]

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The 45 fans wouldn't see a something burger if it slapped them in the face. The facts based world realizes there has been a massive sea change in recent days but never mind the true believers carry on with willful ignorance. Funny actually.

 

Already the majority of Americans support impeachment of 45. And this has only just begun. The Nixon public opinion change wasn't nearly this fast.

 

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Your team is going to have to persuade millions of Trump supporters to come over to your side to get a conviction in the Senate.  Insulting Trump supporters as you have done in many of your posts is not going to help.  Put another way, you need us but we don't need you.

 

"There’s a lesson here for Trump’s opponents, too. If they want impeachment to be followed by removal, they are going to have to persuade millions of voters who are currently in his corner. Impeachment can’t be seen as an act of culture-war vengeance – a judgment on voters for being stupid and racist enough to choose Trump – if it is to succeed."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/why-trumps-removal-wouldnt-lead-194533639.html

[johnnybangkok]

20 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Your team is going to have to persuade millions of Trump supporters to come over to your side to get a conviction in the Senate.  Insulting Trump supporters as you have done in many of your posts is not going to help.  Put another way, you need us but we don't need you.

 

"There’s a lesson here for Trump’s opponents, too. If they want impeachment to be followed by removal, they are going to have to persuade millions of voters who are currently in his corner. Impeachment can’t be seen as an act of culture-war vengeance – a judgment on voters for being stupid and racist enough to choose Trump – if it is to succeed."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/why-trumps-removal-wouldnt-lead-194533639.html

You just found the copy and edit function? I think you've said exactly the same thing on at least 3 separate Trump topics in this TVF.

At least you've thought better about asking everyone for an apology from Hillary for the nickname "deplorables".

Shall I just stick my original answer here? Will save time typing. 

[gamb00ler]

On 9/25/2019 at 11:20 PM, Tippaporn said:

How is it that Pelosi called for impeachment without ever having any evidence that the accusation was true or false?

The depth of your misunderstanding is amazing.  The House has initiated an impeachment INVESTIGATION only.  If sufficient wrongdoing is found, they will then submit articles of impeachment to a House vote.  Sheesh!

[gamb00ler]

On 9/29/2019 at 10:12 PM, roobaa01 said:

the us fakenews media mob wapo, ny times , cnn, msnbc, nbc etc is the most dangerous thing as their fake news coverage of the russion trump campaign collusion delusion for 2.5 yrs speaks for itsself and now the new ukrain impeachment collusion delusion. with a non-whistleblower hearsay complaint , wasn't that 2 weeks before the hearsay complaint came out, rules were changed mysteriously to protect now secondhand whistleblowers ??? hasn't the non-whistleblower source with firsthand knowledge spied upon the president ???

 

wbr

roobaa01

 

On 9/29/2019 at 10:59 PM, heybruce said:

Any chance you could re-post that coherently? 

Does anyone know how to invoke the Google function to translate TrumpSpeak to English?

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

Your team is going to have to persuade millions of Trump supporters to come over to your side to get a conviction in the Senate.  Insulting Trump supporters as you have done in many of your posts is not going to help.  Put another way, you need us but we don't need you.

 

"There’s a lesson here for Trump’s opponents, too. If they want impeachment to be followed by removal, they are going to have to persuade millions of voters who are currently in his corner. Impeachment can’t be seen as an act of culture-war vengeance – a judgment on voters for being stupid and racist enough to choose Trump – if it is to succeed."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/why-trumps-removal-wouldnt-lead-194533639.html

Many of us feel this is not an issue of right or left republican or Democrat support or not many of us see a potus willing to betray our sovereignty to rig our elections so he can stay in power opinion is shifting the truth is coming out like it or not 

[gamb00ler]

On 9/29/2019 at 11:17 PM, chokrai said:

Shows how divided Americans are. You can thank Obama and the Democrats for that. 

Nope.... a silly newt started USA down that path.

[gamb00ler]

10 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

If Trump resigns, does he get to keep the $200 M in his campaign warchest?

I believe federal election allow him to then dole his collected contributions out to other campaigns...perhaps to someone who will pardon him?

[beechguy]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

The depth of your misunderstanding is amazing.  The House has initiated an impeachment INVESTIGATION only.  If sufficient wrongdoing is found, they will then submit articles of impeachment to a House vote.  Sheesh!

Good, does that mean we will finally see the collusion evidence Schiff bas been sitting on for 3 years?

 

I would say the Democrats have at least two obstacles to over come, Schiff and Nadler. 

 

For the remainder of us, even if they were able to get Trump out of office, the voters that put him in, aren't going anywhere. We can still go to the polls, and when or if somebody like Bernie or Warren gets elected, people like me will just leave the country again, and not pay taxes.

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

I believe federal election allow him to then dole his collected contributions out to other campaigns...perhaps to someone who will pardon him?

Or apparently , it can be donated to charity as well. Maybe the Trump Foundation makes a comeback. There is also apparently, wide lattitude in keeping money that has been donated through PACs.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, beechguy said:

Good, does that mean we will finally see the collusion evidence Schiff bas been sitting on for 3 years?

 

I would say the Democrats have at least two obstacles to over come, Schiff and Nadler. 

 

For the remainder of us, even if they were able to get Trump out of office, the voters that put him in, aren't going anywhere. We can still go to the polls, and when or if somebody like Bernie or Warren gets elected, people like me will just leave the country again, and not pay taxes.

 

"....and when or if somebody like Bernie or Warren gets elected, people like me will just leave the country again, and not pay taxes."

 

I remember them days when Trump supporters were all over some entertainment celebrities making such comments. Or better yet, Trump supporters supporting Trump's "advice" to some congresswomen about going back home and sorting things out there.

 

As for not paying taxes - I don't think it works quite this way, unless one doesn't have much to tax anyway.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Morch

[Kelsall]

And then there's this...

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-dares-congress-brandishing-deep-red-2016-election-map-try-to-impeach-this

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Hannity is certainly not a news show but they do at times have investigative journalists as guests who break real news stories that they themselves have worked on.  It may be entertaining for some people but I do not believe it's marketed as entertainment.  I've never considered political talk shows as entertainment myself.  Nothing entertaining about the subject matter to me.

 

I either turn Hannity off or, watching on YT, skip past his a.r_se kissing of that small nation in the Middle East.  I've said all along, everyone has bias and that's my reason for why I don't consider any single news/political commentary source as having a corner on the market of truth.  Sometimes they have worthwhile information and analysis and sometimes not.  But never 100% of the time.

 

Have to differ, as I always found them very entertaining. I never assumed they were giving facts though, as it was very obviously opinion. Bit like talk back radio with pictures and without callers.