Corbyn says priority is preventing no-deal Brexit

[vogie]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

But didn't vote for no-deal Brexit.

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We voted leave, every which way but loose.

[SheungWan]

What many fear most, is a No-deal Remain.

Remain beats no-deal Brexit every time.

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[SheungWan]

We voted leave, every which way but loose.

But not specifically no-deal Brexit which is the one hard Brexiteers are selling.

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[Loiner]

So is the rejection of any demand for a 2nd referendum based on a dubious defense of democratic principle or is it the fear that a better informed and aware populace would significantly reverse the result of the original? To many such as  myself there would be the real test of democratic principle versus the adamant pursuance of a core minority of elected political representatives ignore that very real possibility as well as ignore the legal interpretations of that pursuance as being unlawful.
If  Johnston achieves  his declared intent without a "deal"  then any  future dealings  with UK could be  considered as suspect in genuine legitimacy.
 
 
 

The main basis for rejecting wails and moans for a second referendum is because we had one and don’t need another. That’s democracy for you.
IF there ever was to be another referendum, the Remainers would use cheating and trickery to win. Much as they are doing in Parliament and the Courts right now. They simply cannot be trusted with another opportunity.

It’s not going to happen though. As we have seen already, the establishment cannot predict or control its outcome.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

 

The main basis for rejecting wails and moans for a second referendum is because we had one and don’t need another. That’s democracy for you.
IF there ever was to be another referendum, the Remainers would use cheating and trickery to win. Much as they are doing in Parliament and the Courts right now. They simply cannot be trusted with another opportunity.

It’s not going to happen though. As we have seen already, the establishment cannot predict or control its outcome.

 

The only cheating and trickery on record is the electoral fraud committed by the Leave campaign and their associates during the referendum.

 

Well that and the recent unlawful prorogation of Parliament.

Edited September 28, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

 

The main basis for rejecting wails and moans for a second referendum is because we had one and don’t need another. That’s democracy for you.
IF there ever was to be another referendum, the Remainers would use cheating and trickery to win. Much as they are doing in Parliament and the Courts right now. They simply cannot be trusted with another opportunity.

It’s not going to happen though. As we have seen already, the establishment cannot predict or control its outcome.

Ok. You express an ardent objection to any question  to your apparent partisan desire for Brexit regardless.

Which I can respect as your  commitment to that outcome.

Unfortunately you make accusations  of cheating and trickery specific to those  who would  support the opposite. To any objective observer of the impasse it is clear that even those  who are in favour of  Brexit are also  not in favour  of a  no deal  departure. The impasse  is therefore not  attributable in entirety to  those who would choose to  remain. Nor  has  there  been any observable resort to  cheating and trickery but rather the  use of  legal definition and  desirable accordance to process in favour of  the best outcome as  democratic  adherence to the principles  therein.

To myself and I am confident that I am not  alone it is  a sad scenario to observe  emotive appeals overide practicality in a dispute that is  dividing a Nation so destructively.

All the more so when it is a Nation that in terms of  Parliamentary establishment unique in political history is  succumbing to the dictate of idealism.

[Loiner]

18 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Ok. You express an ardent objection to any question  to your apparent partisan desire for Brexit regardless.

Which I can respect as your  commitment to that outcome.

Unfortunately you make accusations  of cheating and trickery specific to those  who would  support the opposite. To any objective observer of the impasse it is clear that even those  who are in favour of  Brexit are also  not in favour  of a  no deal  departure. The impasse  is therefore not  attributable in entirety to  those who would choose to  remain. Nor  has  there  been any observable resort to  cheating and trickery but rather the  use of  legal definition and  desirable accordance to process in favour of  the best outcome as  democratic  adherence to the principles  therein.

To myself and I am confident that I am not  alone it is  a sad scenario to observe  emotive appeals overide practicality in a dispute that is  dividing a Nation so destructively.

All the more so when it is a Nation that in terms of  Parliamentary establishment unique in political history is  succumbing to the dictate of idealism.

We have not left the EU after more than 3 years. That's due to Remainer cheating.

MPs ignoring the result of the referendum and voting against their constituents wishes is Remainer cheating.

Inventing a new Divorce Deal before they will talk Trade Deal is cheating. 

The Merkel/May Surrender Treaty and BRINO was Remainer trickery.

They whole Northern Ireland Backstop non-issue is Remainer trickery.

Inventing a new law for no No-Deal is not legal definition, it's cheating.

I could go on but won't.
The country has been deeply divided for a few decades, but the elite, politicians and chattering classes didn't acknowledge it, or even care very much because it did not directly affect them. Only when they can't get their own way does the divide become obvious and unavoidable.

The idealism that we must not succumb to is the combined Europhilia and metrocentric socialism that has been dictated by Remainer types since the Blair years. 

 

[SheungWan]

We have not left the EU after more than 3 years. That's due to Remainer cheating.
MPs ignoring the result of the referendum and voting against their constituents wishes is Remainer cheating.
Inventing a new Divorce Deal before they will talk Trade Deal is cheating. 
The Merkel/May Surrender Treaty and BRINO was Remainer trickery.
They whole Northern Ireland Backstop non-issue is Remainer trickery.
Inventing a new law for no No-Deal is not legal definition, it's cheating.
I could go on but won't.
The country has been deeply divided for a few decades, but the elite, politicians and chattering classes didn't acknowledge it, or even care very much because it did not directly affect them. Only when they can't get their own way does the divide become obvious and unavoidable.
The idealism that we must not succumb to is the combined Europhilia and metrocentric socialism that has been dictated by Remainer types since the Blair years. 
 

They might persuade themselves with their made up nonsense, but nobody else impressed with the Conspiracy junk.

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[SheungWan]

The main basis for rejecting wails and moans for a second referendum is because we had one and don’t need another. That’s democracy for you.
IF there ever was to be another referendum, the Remainers would use cheating and trickery to win. Much as they are doing in Parliament and the Courts right now. They simply cannot be trusted with another opportunity.

It’s not going to happen though. As we have seen already, the establishment cannot predict or control its outcome.

Democracy as invented by the Hard Brexiteer crowd.

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[tebee]

13 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Democracy as invented by the Hard Brexiteer crowd.

 

"It's not democratic to have a vote"

[beautifulthailand99]

The fix is in while BoJo lies to the conference about spaffing trillions on hospitals the Remain Alliance with our to be anointed Rebel Leader having taken over Parliament is getting ready for election.....EU national's vote next 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

We have not left the EU after more than 3 years. That's due to Remainer cheating.

MPs ignoring the result of the referendum and voting against their constituents wishes is Remainer cheating.

Inventing a new Divorce Deal before they will talk Trade Deal is cheating. 

The Merkel/May Surrender Treaty and BRINO was Remainer trickery.

They whole Northern Ireland Backstop non-issue is Remainer trickery.

Inventing a new law for no No-Deal is not legal definition, it's cheating.

I could go on but won't.
The country has been deeply divided for a few decades, but the elite, politicians and chattering classes didn't acknowledge it, or even care very much because it did not directly affect them. Only when they can't get their own way does the divide become obvious and unavoidable.

The idealism that we must not succumb to is the combined Europhilia and metrocentric socialism that has been dictated by Remainer types since the Blair years. 

 

sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and we have control of Parliament at the moment - By Any Means Necessary !

[vogie]

Just now, tebee said:

"It's not democratic to have a vote"

It is when we've already had one.

[tebee]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

It is when we've already had one.

[vogie]

Just now, tebee said:

If you can't reply in a language other than memes, please don't bother.

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

If you can't reply in a language other than memes, please don't bother.

Nontabury gets the get out of jail free card though ! 

[beautifulthailand99]

There's some ex-servicemen  on here - we need to be vigilant to the army's concerns about far-rightists in their ranks.

 

The armed forces have been increasing efforts to crack down on right-wing extremism following a series of scandals.

A leaflet on “extreme right-wing indicators and warnings” compiled in 2017 urged servicemen and women to report behaviour including “claiming immigration is the root of injustices” and becoming angry at perceived threats to national identity.

 

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/daniel-goshawk-soldier-brexit-civil-war-mp-angela-rayner-a9123921.html?fbclid=IwAR1X48h0PT_RGmF2UGu-dXCMVGOsq1xiCb2P6ShFAySnETUAuwcKepYEhNg

Edited September 29, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

They might persuade themselves with their made up nonsense, but nobody else impressed with the Conspiracy junk.
 

So we are still in the EU due to a series of unconnected events? Nothing to do with the cheating and tricks of Remainers?

[Loiner]

On 9/28/2019 at 10:34 AM, SheungWan said:

But not specifically no-deal Brexit which is the one hard Brexiteers are selling.
 

Come of it 'ker, the whole concept of Hard or Soft Brexit is a Remainer invention after losing the referendum. There was only one type of Brexit the majority voted for.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

If you can't reply in a language other than memes, please don't bother.

So Brexiters won't accept facts, won't accept logic and now won't accept memes.

 

Shall I try interpretive dance next ? 

 

Or are you all so set in you beliefs that nothing will ever change you ?

[sanemax]

12 hours ago, tebee said:

So Brexiters won't accept facts, won't accept logic and now won't accept memes.

 

Shall I try interpretive dance next ? 

 

Or are you all so set in you beliefs that nothing will ever change you ?

It was just the memes that was mentioned and if Rimmer sees it ,. he may well delete it  

[tebee]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

It was just the memes that was mentioned and if Rimmer sees it ,. he may well delete it  

Would it be better that if I wrote out  the words in that picture and posted them - then it wouldn't be a meme ?

 

[vogie]

Just now, tebee said:

So Brexiters won't accept facts, won't accept logic and now won't accept memes.

 

Shall I try interpretive dance next ? 

 

Or are you all so set in you beliefs that nothing will ever change you ?

Or are you all so set in you beliefs that nothing will ever change you ?

Says someone who uses back to back twitter memes, they get boring, have you nothing to offer only the opinions of biased tweeters on twitter. 

 

So Brexiters won't accept facts, won't accept logic and now won't accept memes.

We have been warned about using memes, perhaps you think that doesn't include you.

 

Shall I try interpretive dance next ? 

If your dance is like your memes I'd rather you didn't, but thanks for the offer anyway.

[sanemax]

12 hours ago, tebee said:

Would it be better that if I wrote out  the words in that picture and posted them - then it wouldn't be a meme ?

 

It would be better if you read it and put the words into your own words , 

[3NUMBAS]

he is heading out into the wilderness with his nutty colleagues who have no future .the labour party is down with the monster raving loony party for votes ,meanwhile boris is tipped to win a landslide victory ,even if in jail

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

Would it be better that if I wrote out  the words in that picture and posted them - then it wouldn't be a meme ?

 

tebee the leavers with their hard ons for a No Deal brexit have shown their contempt for economic facts and realities and seek to justify their losers existence by holding onto to the rotting , non-existent unicorn they think they won 3 years ago and would wreck our economy if their nihilism was to prevail. Don't upset yourself engaging with them and their fragile hurt prides. Like the Trump deplorables they believe any liar or charlatan who wraps themselves in the flag and promises them their precious Brexit stuffed fairground toy. They shall not prevail in the end and they are not worth arguing with now so don't waste your precious time arguing with them .........they're sad in a way as that's all they got to hope for doubly pickled in the sour sauce of a toxic Thailand side garnish.

[bannork]

12 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

he is heading out into the wilderness with his nutty colleagues who have no future .the labour party is down with the monster raving loony party for votes ,meanwhile boris is tipped to win a landslide victory ,even if in jail

Poor Boris. He succeeded May with a majority of one. Now he's down 21 MPs, trying to survive as a minority government. He's desperate for an election before Brexit because he knows after a no Brexit deal and the self-imposed collapse of the British economy, his party and Farage are doomed.

Hopefully he will be saved from himself by moderate Conservatives and Opposition MPs who will kick no Deal Brexit into touch.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Poor Boris. He succeeded May with a majority of one. Now he's down 21 MPs, trying to survive as a minority government. He's desperate for an election before Brexit because he knows after a no Brexit deal and the self-imposed collapse of the British economy, his party and Farage are doomed.

Hopefully he will be saved from himself by moderate Conservatives and Opposition MPs who will kick no Deal Brexit into touch.

 

 

<deleted> me, there was me thinking that Corbyn was the one who wanted an election.

 

Oh no.....he changed his mind.

[david555]

39 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

<deleted> me, there was me thinking that Corbyn was the one who wanted an election.

 

Oh no.....he changed his mind.

you never watched a cat when she catches  a mouse ?…. First play little with the poor mouse , before biting the head …. such cruel companion pets ...5555

Edited September 29, 2019 by david555

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

he is heading out into the wilderness with his nutty colleagues who have no future .the labour party is down with the monster raving loony party for votes ,meanwhile boris is tipped to win a landslide victory ,even if in jail

aka we are all f'ed climate change and AI will put an end to the working class and probably the rest of us as well. UK Fire Sale now on everything must go - bargains galore for those cashed up.