EU rejects UK's request for weekend talks as Johnson insists on no Brexit delay

[rooster59]

EU rejects UK's request for weekend talks as Johnson insists on no Brexit delay

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson leaves Downing Street in London, Britain, October 3, 2019. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls

 

(Reuters) - The European Union has rejected a British request to hold Brexit talks this weekend, British media reported, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson reiterated his commitment to leaving the bloc on Oct. 31 despite the possibility of a not reaching an exit deal.

 

The European Commission said that Johnson's new Brexit proposals do not provide any basis for finalising a separation agreement, according to Sky News.

 

Talks on Johnson's plan to replace the Irish backstop will not take place over the weekend, EU Commission spokeswoman Natasha Bertaud was quoted as saying by Sky. She added that the UK will be given "another opportunity to present its proposals in detail" on Monday.

 

"If we held talks at the weekend it would look like these were proper negotiations," the Times newspaper had earlier cited an EU diplomat as saying. "We're still a long way from that".

 

Johnson has consistently said he will not ask for a Brexit delay, reiterating the point on Friday.

 

"New deal or no deal - but no delay. #GetBrexitDone #LeaveOct31", Johnson said in a tweet.

 

However, his government also acknowledged for the first time on Friday that Johnson will send a letter to EU asking for a Brexit delay if no divorce deal has been reached by Oct. 19.

 

Johnson has not explained the apparent contradiction, with opponents believing he will seek some kind of legal escape route to avoid asking for an extension, or try to pressure the EU into refusing to agree to such a request.

 

Johnson's top advisor said the government will be observing developments over the coming week but will not change its negotiating position, The Times reported.

 

"Next week we are going to know how things turn out," Dominic Cummings was quoted by The Times as telling other advisers.

 

"If the EU says no then we are not going to do what the last lot did and change our negotiating position. If we don't get anything next week, we are gone."

 

(Reporting by Kanishka Singh and Sabahatjahan Contractor in Bengaluru; Editing by Kirsten Donovan; Editing by Sandra Maler and Kirsten Donovan)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-10-06

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[cornishcarlos]

Great photo of the Baffoon ????

What look is he going for there ??

Answers on a postcard to No.10

[z42]

I don't really know what else he can do if the EU are not even appearing to want to thrash out deals in an already short timeframe.

 

It is very obvious that key players in the UK and EU establishment want to derail the whole thing. As much as i dislike Boris, his skullduggery is no worse than the EU's blatant unwillingness to even negotiate reasonably.

 

I hope the UK make a clean break. How can an exit be worse than a constant limbo.

[bannork]

8 minutes ago, z42 said:

I don't really know what else he can do if the EU are not even appearing to want to thrash out deals in an already short timeframe.

 

It is very obvious that key players in the UK and EU establishment want to derail the whole thing. As much as i dislike Boris, his skullduggery is no worse than the EU's blatant unwillingness to even negotiate reasonably.

 

I hope the UK make a clean break. How can an exit be worse than a constant limbo.

And how will the break be clean when all the trading deals and agreements with the EU will have to start from scratch, and with the UK as an outsider? It will be an utter mess from Day 1.

[FritsSikkink]

15 minutes ago, z42 said:

I don't really know what else he can do if the EU are not even appearing to want to thrash out deals in an already short timeframe.

 

It is very obvious that key players in the UK and EU establishment want to derail the whole thing. As much as i dislike Boris, his skullduggery is no worse than the EU's blatant unwillingness to even negotiate reasonably.

 

I hope the UK make a clean break. How can an exit be worse than a constant limbo.

The UK asks and gets for a delay of half a year and then does absolutely nothing for months. Now a couple of weeks before the deadline they pretend to be in a hurry. Should have made deals with other countries and left long time ago.

Edited October 6, 2019 by FritsSikkink

[terryw]

The law still is that we leave on October 31st. The Benn Act cannot change this.

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, Victornoir said:

He is desperately searching for a way out of the mess he has placed himself under the guidance of his friend Cummings.

Looking for a suitable ditch ought to be a priority...

[Basil B]

23 minutes ago, terryw said:

The law still is that we leave on October 31st. The Benn Act cannot change this.

No but if he does not request an extension he could end up in prison.

 

Although the Benn act does not change "Exit Day" parliament can and the government can not stop it. 

[vogie]

Just now, Victornoir said:

He is desperately searching for a way out of the mess he has placed himself under the guidance of his friend Cummings.

He may have a way out "of this mess," but he just hasn't told you, or the rest of us for that matter, only time will tell and we don't have long to wait before our predicted leave date.

It has been suggested by a senior government MP that there is a lot Boris could do to disrupt the EU, one suggestion would be to appoint Nigel Farage as the UKs EU commissionair, wouldn't that be fun?????????????

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by vogie

[el torro]

""If we held talks at the weekend it would look like these were proper negotiations," the Times newspaper had earlier cited an EU diplomat as saying."

 

Exactly, the EU has no intention of genuinely negotiating.

[el torro]

3 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

Great photo of the Baffoon ????

What look is he going for there ??

Answers on a postcard to No.10

Interesting that you are more concerned with 'looks' than substance.

 

Not that I trust Boris in the slightest, but anyone concentrating on 'looks'..... 

[Basil B]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

,,,one suggestion would be to appoint Nigel Farage as the UKs EU commissionair, wouldn't that be fun?????????????

 

It would only add more proof that the UK government were acting in bad faith and not interested in a deal.

[el torro]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

And how will the break be clean when all the trading deals and agreements with the EU will have to start from scratch, and with the UK as an outsider? It will be an utter mess from Day 1.

And this is precisely why trade agreements should form part of any 'final deal' and financial settlement.

Edited October 6, 2019 by el torro

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"If we held talks at the weekend it would look like these were proper negotiations," the Times newspaper had earlier cited an EU diplomat as saying. "We're still a long way from that".

why waste time trying to run down the clock.... "We're still a long way from that"... call me when you are nearby, don't waste our time

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, z42 said:

I don't really know what else he can do if the EU are not even appearing to want to thrash out deals in an already short timeframe.

Start accepting reality and dealing with the options on hand rather than keep living in lala Land and chasing unicorns. Everyone told them so; it was clear since the beginning that the EU would hold all cards and protect their interests before helping brexiteers with their problems. May at least was able to produce a deal that was agreeable with the EU and parts of parliament, but she also alienated too many in the process. Buffoon Boris with his little Rumpelstilzchen Cummings in his butt achieved nothing but alienating everyone, and now he’s wondering why there won’t be a deal? 

 

It is simple: If the UK wants transition service from the EU, it can have it at the EU‘s terms. Otherwise it will have to find a majority for a no-deal Brexit. 

 

 

2 hours ago, z42 said:

It is very obvious that key players in the UK and EU establishment want to derail the whole thing.

Maybe go to your boss and ask for a 1,000% pay raise at half the time and then tell your wife it is obvious that the company establishment wants to derail the whole thing. Don’t forget to tell your boss he’s undemocratic because your wife and the kids voted for a better life.  

 

2 hours ago, z42 said:

As much as i dislike Boris, his skullduggery is no worse than the EU's blatant unwillingness to even negotiate reasonably.

That happens when you choose to believe in unicorns rather than accepting who’s holding the cards. 

 

[vogie]

Just now, Basil B said:

It would only add more proof that the UK government were acting in bad faith and not interested in a deal.

That is a moot arguement, I would suggest that it is the EU that is acting in bad faith, but then again why would they do any other while our duplicitious MPs have no intention of honouring the democratic vote what the electorate voted for. The EU must be laughing tin hats that our own MPs have done the EUs dirty work for them.

Our remainer MPs are not interested in a deal, they want to remain, they just havn't got the honesty to admit it. Boris has offered them a chance at a GE, they know they will lose because most of our electorate are still wanting to leave.

 

[el torro]

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Start accepting reality and dealing with the options on hand rather than keep living in lala Land and chasing unicorns. Everyone told them so; it was clear since the beginning that the EU would hold all cards and protect their interests before helping brexiteers with their problems. May at least was able to produce a deal that was agreeable with the EU and parts of parliament, but she also alienated too many in the process. Buffoon Boris with his little Rumpelstilzchen Cummings in his butt achieved nothing but alienating everyone, and now he’s wondering why there won’t be a deal? 

 

It is simple: If the UK wants transition service from the EU, it can have it at the EU‘s terms. Otherwise it will have to find a majority for a no-deal Brexit. 

 

 

Maybe go to your boss and ask for a 1,000% pay raise at half the time and then tell your wife it is obvious that the company establishment wants to derail the whole thing. Don’t forget to tell your boss he’s undemocratic because your wife and the kids voted for a better life.  

 

That happens when you choose to believe in unicorns rather than accepting who’s holding the cards. 

 

You rely on insults/EU wants or needs nothing from the UK - without any substantiation.

 

Do you genuinely believe that the EU doesn't want/need UK money?

 

If this was the case, why on earth did they agree to the extensions?

[Basil B]

20 minutes ago, el torro said:

""If we held talks at the weekend it would look like these were proper negotiations," the Times newspaper had earlier cited an EU diplomat as saying."

 

Exactly, the EU has no intention of genuinely negotiating.

The EU participated in genuine negotiations, and a deal was reached, May's Deal... the UK parliament has rejected it... and now submitted anew set of proposals that are non starters, would you waste your weekend going round in circles and getting nowhere???

Edited October 6, 2019 by Basil B

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 minutes ago, el torro said:

""If we held talks at the weekend it would look like these were proper negotiations," the Times newspaper had earlier cited an EU diplomat as saying."

 

Exactly, the EU has no intention of genuinely negotiating.

I wouldn’t negotiate with a janitor who feels entitled for a 1,000% pay raise because his wife and kids told him so. Other’s domestic problems are their’s to solve. 

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

That is a moot arguement, I would suggest that it is the EU that is acting in bad faith, but then again why would they do any other while our duplicitious MPs have no intention of honouring the democratic vote what the electorate voted for. The EU must be laughing tin hats that our own MPs have done the EUs dirty work for them.

Our remainer MPs are not interested in a deal, they want to remain, they just havn't got the honesty to admit it. Boris has offered them a chance at a GE, they know they will lose because most of our electorate are still wanting to leave.

 

why is the EU acting in bad faith, who's leaving or who asked to leave, nobody force the UK to leave it's a so called democracy misleading referendum that dictated that.... if anyone or anybody is acting in bad faith sure not the EU maybe should take a look at the UK side for the correct answer

[el torro]

Just now, Basil B said:

The EU participated in genuine negotiations, and a deal was reached, May's Deal... the UK parliament has rejected it... and now submitted anew set of proposals that are non starters, would you was your weekend going round in circles and getting nowhere???

Please try not to be so insulting for no reason towards another poster.

 

May's deal was 'leave in name only', and the boris 'deal' isn't much better.

 

The EU certainly didn't participate in "genuine negotiations", they dictated the terms of any talks, and May (a remainer) allowed them to get away with this.

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, el torro said:

You rely on insults/EU wants or needs nothing from the UK - without any substantiation.

 

Do you genuinely believe that the EU doesn't want/need UK money?

 

If this was the case, why on earth did they agree to the extensions?

always the easy way out, the easy escape with the blaming game....it's not us, it's them

The EU has been more than nice cooperating with all the UK non sense, if it was me, I would have run away for the negotiating table long,  long time ago

[petermik]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

 

. Otherwise it will have to find a majority for a no-deal Brexit. 

 

 

 

 

We,ll take that.....<deleted> the EU and any compensation they are hoping for,we will run our country for our countries benefit.....

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 minutes ago, el torro said:

You rely on insults/EU wants or needs nothing from the UK - without any substantiation.

If being confronted with reality is an insult for you, then that pretty much describes what your issue is. 

 

Quote

 

Do you genuinely believe that the EU doesn't want/need UK money?

I believe Brexiteers want something, and somehow expect us (and everyone else) to give it to them. Brexit is your problem alone; it’s not our issue that you sold people unicorns and now can’t deliver. 

 

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If this was the case, why on earth did they agree to the extensions?

Agreeing to an extension is better for us than not agreeing. 

Edited October 6, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[welovesundaysatspace]

10 minutes ago, el torro said:

Please try not to be so insulting for no reason towards another poster.

 

May's deal was 'leave in name only', and the boris 'deal' isn't much better.

 

The EU certainly didn't participate in "genuine negotiations", they dictated the terms of any talks, and May (a remainer) allowed them to get away with this.

...and you expected the EU would team up with you to make Brexit the shining unicorn that the liars told you you would get? Keep living in lala land. 

Edited October 6, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[vogie]

Just now, Mavideol said:

why is the EU acting in bad faith, who's leaving or who asked to leave, nobody force the UK to leave it's a so called democracy misleading referendum that dictated that.... if anyone or anybody is acting in bad faith sure not the EU maybe should take a look at the UK side for the correct answer

"Nobody force the UK to leave" no they didn't, but unlike the EU I thought we had a system called democracy, it may not be the ideal system but it has generally served us quite well through the ages. The UK offered us a vote and we voted leave, so whether you or the EU like it or not we are leaving. If our weak kneed politicians had not taken no-deal off the table the UK would be in a better position to negotiate, but as it is they have left very little scope for Boris to negotiate a deal acceptable to the UK, so by just sitting back and not willing to talk and being intransigent could be described as bad faith to some. Best just to walk away and let the EU stew.

[Basil B]

3 minutes ago, el torro said:

Please try not to be so insulting for no reason towards another poster.

 

May's deal was 'leave in name only', and the boris 'deal' isn't much better.

 

The EU certainly didn't participate in "genuine negotiations", they dictated the terms of any talks, and May (a remainer) allowed them to get away with this.

That was not a reflection of my opinion of any poster...

 

Please do not try deflecting the issue with BS.

 

"May's deal was 'leave in name only', and the boris 'deal' isn't much better." that's your opinion which I disagree on, but why not put it to the country with a referendum?

[el torro]

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

always the easy way out, the easy escape with the blaming game....it's not us, it's them

The EU has been more than nice cooperating with all the UK non sense, if it was me, I would have run away for the negotiating table long,  long time ago

Which is why the negotiating agenda didn't even include trade talks - instead, money to be paid to the EU (before trade talks had even started!) was at the top of the agenda.

 

But accepting your 'argument' - why on earth didn't the EU refuse extensions a while ago?

[billd766]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

And how will the break be clean when all the trading deals and agreements with the EU will have to start from scratch, and with the UK as an outsider? It will be an utter mess from Day 1.

I find it amazing how so many of the posters on any of the Brexit threads have all of the answers but none of them are politicians. They are always correct, yet none of them knows what is really going on behind the scenes.

 

As for the Remainers, they ALL know what should happen but none of them are in a position to know the facts.

 

As a Brexiteer, I have no idea what is going on other than TVF and the news media, which puts me into a similar position as the Remainers.

 

From what I understand parliament aid by lawyers and the courts have effective taken over the running of parliament but none of them want the responsibility of actually taking the UK out of the EU.

[el torro]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

If being confronted with reality is an insult for you, then that pretty much describes what your issue is. 

 

I believe Brexiteers want something, and somehow expect us (and everyone else) to give it to them. Brexit is your problem alone; it’s not our issue that you sold people unicorns and now can’t deliver. 

 

Agreeing to an extension is better for us than not agreeing. 

Posters stating that other posters are asking for unicorns is an insult IMO.

 

The referendum resulted in a leave vote, so it's not 'brexiteers wanting something for nothing', as you imply.

 

Extensions just prolong the problem, as has already been made clear.