White House says it will refuse to cooperate with impeachment inquiry

[Jingthing]

The Feds just arrested two of Giulani's cohorts at DC airport with one way tickets out of the US.  They are the two that congress wanted to testify.  They had just had lunch with the Mayor.  Giuliani might want to run and hide .  Trump put new tires on the "bus" and is probably warming up the engine as I type!  Although, the arrest might put a damper on any congressional appearance by the two, they are now indicted for campaign finance violations and other charges and probably would just take the 5th.

Rudy? I hardly knew him. Yeah. That's the ticket.

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[bristolboy]

White House Shifted Authority Over Ukraine Aid Amid Legal Concerns

The White House gave a politically appointed official the authority to keep aid to Ukraine on hold after career budget staff members questioned the legality of delaying the funds, according to people familiar with the matter, a shift that House Democrats are probing in their impeachment inquiry.

President Trump’s order to freeze nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine in mid-July is at the center of House Democratic efforts to investigate allegations that Mr. Trump used U.S. foreign policy powers to benefit himself politically. The hold came days before Mr. Trump’s request, on a July 25 call, that the Ukrainian president work with Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr to conduct investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democratic presidential hopeful.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-shifted-authority-over-ukraine-aid-amid-legal-concerns-11570717571

[J Town]

41 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

White House Shifted Authority Over Ukraine Aid Amid Legal Concerns

The White House gave a politically appointed official the authority to keep aid to Ukraine on hold after career budget staff members questioned the legality of delaying the funds, according to people familiar with the matter, a shift that House Democrats are probing in their impeachment inquiry.

Multiple national security specialists are coming out to share the crimes Trump has done:
https://www.mediaite.com/news/four-national-security-officials-immediately-raised-alarm-bells-about-trumps-ukraine-call-wapo/

[TopDeadSenter]

I notice the fizz has totally gone out of this "investigation", now that the democrat key players are in deeper hot water than their target. Releasing the phone call transcripts (that proved the quid pro quo lie was just that) was a master-stroke. It's dropped from headline news to a short footnote. The whole thing much reminds me of the cartoon with a dumb but determined coyote chasing a fast and cunning bird. Every evil scheme the coyote drums up backfires horribly. Incredible parallels!

[Eric Loh]

10 hours ago, wayned said:

The Feds just arrested two of Giulani's cohorts at DC airport with one way tickets out of the US.  They are the two that congress wanted to testify.  They had just had lunch with the Mayor.  Giuliani might want to run and hide .  Trump put new tires on the "bus" and is probably warming up the engine as I type!  Although, the arrest might put a damper on any congressional appearance by the two, they are now indicted for campaign finance violations and other charges and probably would just take the 5th.

They will face 2 charges which could possibly add up to 35 years in jail. They are Ukrainian with US citizens. Hope they squeal and more damage to Trump and Giuliani. They donated huge amount to Trump campaign. Got to keep them securely locked; many would like to get their hands on them. Problems for the orange man piling up. 

[J Town]

13 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I notice the fizz has totally gone out of this "investigation", now that the democrat key players are in deeper hot water than their target. Releasing the phone call transcripts (that proved the quid pro quo lie was just that) was a master-stroke. It's dropped from headline news to a short footnote. The whole thing much reminds me of the cartoon with a dumb but determined coyote chasing a fast and cunning bird. Every evil scheme the coyote drums up backfires horribly. Incredible parallels!

Wow - those are some impressive blinders you are wearing.

 

Four national security specialists are coming forward to testify further about Trump's Ukraine phone call crimes:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/four-national-security-officials-immediately-raised-alarm-bells-about-trumps-ukraine-call-wapo/

 

Two of Guiliani's cohorts in crime just arrested as they tried to fell the country and an arresting official publicly describing their direct roles in Trump's campaign finance wrongdoing.

 

Deflect, ignore, lie, deny, obfuscate.

[J Town]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

They will face 2 charges which could possibly add up to 35 years in jail. They are Ukrainian with US citizens. Hope they squeal and more damage to Trump and Giuliani. They donated huge amount to Trump campaign. Got to keep them securely locked; many would like to get their hands on them. Problems for the orange man piling up. 

Yes, I sure hope they turn on Trump to get lighter sentences. Not only did Trump receive the money but Republican Senators as well (that we know of at this time, most likely other politicians, too). Let's see if they get "Epsteined."

[JHolmesJr]

It is being reported that the 2020 Dem candidate the "whistleblower" has had professional

ties with is.......(drumrollllllll)

 

Google it....made me spit my turmeric latte all over the keyboard!!!!

 

 

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

It is being reported that the 2020 Dem candidate the "whistleblower" has had professional

ties with is.......(drumrollllllll)

 

Google it....made me spit my turmeric latte all over the keyboard!!!!

 

 

Professional as in governmental. As in the course of carrying out his or her governmental duties.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

It is being reported that the 2020 Dem candidate the "whistleblower" has had professional

ties with is.......(drumrollllllll)

 

Google it....made me spit my turmeric latte all over the keyboard!!!!

 

 

Yes, reported and corrected to already quite some time ago. Please do keep up.

 

Who cares, it is about the information given by the WB, not his political affiliation. Unless you want to fire more than half of FBI and CIA when a democratic president comes in.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Professional as in governmental. As in the course of carrying out his or her governmental duties.

That's all the 45 fans got. Personally trashing the messengers. They can't defend based on the actual evidence. It works for his fans, mostly, but the latest FOX NEWS poll showing 51 percent of Americans want 45 to be impeached AND removed tells the bigger story. If that number goes to 60 then the republican senators are much more likely to throw 45 under the bus (wouldn't that be a nice twist)? 

[mtls2005]

53 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I notice the fizz has totally gone out of this "investigation"

That "fizzing" sound is your rather pathetic deflection going up up in smoke. It's a dud.

 

54 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Releasing the phone call transcripts (that proved the quid pro quo lie was just that) was a master-stroke.

"Master stroke"? Really? I do love the 3D Chess argument. Too bad the president is sill eating the pieces and claiming it was a "perfect call".

 

56 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

It's dropped from headline news to a short footnote.

Uhm, yeah, because like eight more felonies have been uncovered. Who cares if it's "in the news" as long as it is in "an article of impeachment".

 

57 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The whole thing much reminds me of the cartoon with a dumb but determined coyote chasing a fast and cunning bird.

Roadrunner, beep beep. Comparing the president to Wyle E. Coyote seems oddly apropos. Well done sir.

 

58 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Every evil scheme the coyote drums up backfires horribly. Incredible parallels!

Yes, you're right. Although maybe Rudy G. is playing the role of Wyle E. Coyote? And not the president.

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

13 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Professional as in governmental. As in the course of carrying out his or her governmental duties.

Gosh I wonder those duties included travelling to Ukraine on AF2 ????

Im sure we'll learn more as this farce unravels.

[bristolboy]

6 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Gosh I wonder those duties included travelling to Ukraine on AF2 ????

You mean anyone who travels with the President or vice-President on AF1 or AF2 is a political partisan? You don't think that having various governmental aides in accompaniment is a standard practice? Just because Trump rejoices in his ignorance, that doesn't mean that Biden, or any competent individual, shouldn't want knowledgeable people to accompany him.

[rabas]

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, reported and corrected to already quite some time ago. Please do keep up.

 

Just a question: How do you know and know it's true if you don't know who the whistle-blower is? ..if it is not known who he is?

 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

Just a question: How do you know and know it's true if you don't know who the whistle-blower is? ..if it is not known who he is?

Well, why your selectivity in questioning? How do we know for sure anything about this latest report is true? You just want to hold on to the parts that would be discreditable to the whistleblower?

[mtls2005]

The ship is listing as most of the crew has moved close to the railing, jockeying to get a spot on the life-raft.

 

Once the first jumps, the rest will follow.

 

This thing is moving at warp speed compared to Nixon.

 

Time to dust off that Fifth Amendment.

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

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2 Giuliani Associates Tied to Ukraine Scandal Arrested on Campaign Finance Charges

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, associates of President Trump’s personal lawyer, were also part of the pressure campaign on Ukraine to investigate Democrats.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/us/politics/lev-parnas-igor-fruman-arrested-giuliani.html

 

These two guys apparently have Ukrainian passports, but the news coverage I've read on their arrests describes them, not surprisingly, as Russian emigres.

 

And, guess who's representing them:

 

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Mr. Fruman and Mr. Parnas were represented by two lawyers who defended Paul Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman who was convicted last year in the same courthouse of financial crimes associated with his own work in Ukraine.

 

And of course, Trump doesn't know them, at least as of today...

 

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Mr. Trump invited Mr. Fruman to a fund-raiser last year at the president’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, he said in an interview with Forum Daily, a publication that bills itself as the “voice of Russian-speaking America.” The article featured a photograph of the two men, with the president giving a thumbs-up sign.

 

[J Town]

46 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

2 Giuliani Associates Tied to Ukraine Scandal Arrested on Campaign Finance Charges

You mean these two guys sitting with Don, Jr. (most assuredly discussing adopting Russian babies)?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

You mean these two guys sitting with Don, Jr. (most assuredly discussing adopting Russian babies)?

 

"Hey Don, how about adding a nice dish of borscht to the restaurant menu at Trump International Hotel. Kinda missing food from the home country..."

 

[JHolmesJr]

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

From today's epsiode of CHopper Talk....

 

Reporter: Are you concerned that Rudy Giuliani could be indicted in all of this?

 

president: I hope not.

 

 

It's very sad that you pin your hopes on exchanges like this. LOL

[rabas]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Well, why your selectivity in questioning? How do we know for sure anything about this latest report is true? You just want to hold on to the parts that would be discreditable to the whistleblower?

I have no iron in the fire and do not support politicians, don't like them. Big fan of truth though.

 

There's lots of information floating around intelligence communities and among investigative lawyers about the WB. Some think they might know who he is. It's curious that info is coming out and yet media suggests WB's identity remains  secret. Thus my question. For future reference I will provide initials, NP. We shall see.

[JHolmesJr]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Its ok, congress cares ????

It's ok, this guy cares too.

 

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

It's very sad that you pin your hopes on exchanges like this. LOL

 

I'm not pinning my hopes on anything.

 

Well maybe The Constitution, the rule of law and the president's general malfeasance.

 

LOL.

 

 

[mtls2005]

18 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

It's ok, this guy cares too.

 

pompeo, as CIA Director, already conducted his own investigation. Found nothing.

 

But I wouldn't want to dash your hopes.

 

I understand you need to cling to something, anything.

 

18 minutes ago, rabas said:

There's lots of information floating around intelligence communities and among investigative lawyers about the WB. Some think they might know who he is. It's curious that info is coming out and yet media suggests WB's identity remains  secret. Thus my question. For future reference I will provide initials, NP. We shall see.

 

You do realize that the Whistleblower's complaint is not important anymore? We're way past that, So much information has been released which confirms the WB's information. Do try to keep up.

 

 

 

 

 

[rabas]

3 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

You do realize that the Whistleblower's complaint is not important anymore? We're way past that, So much information has been released which confirms the WB's information. Do try to keep up.

 

Sorry, I don't rely on MSM, I follow primary sources, never know if msm will hide them from you folks or not.

[mtls2005]

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

At this rally, Trump claimed they sold 72,000 tickets for the rally in a place that only holds 20,000.

 

The whole upper tier is pretty much empty, like the president's head.

 

 

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

Lie much ?!?

 

He looked quite crazy during this rally. It was epic. Some of his language was unusually salty.

 

And some of his tweets during the day smacked of a 13 year old sent to his room.

 

My fav o the day... "they suck". Ever the classy president. 

 

 

 

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, rabas said:

I follow primary sources

 

Example(s)?

 

Again, the Whistleblower and his/her report is so yesterday. It's not important anymore. But if you feel the need to attack it, go for it. Just makes you look silly though.

 

 

This train-wreck is going at warp-speed. It is hard to keep up.

 

 

There will be dozens of insiders - already four new folks indentified (WH/NSC) today - coming forward. Good luck trying to impugn all of them.

 

 

 

 

[Sujo]

25 minutes ago, rabas said:

I have no iron in the fire and do not support politicians, don't like them. Big fan of truth though.

 

There's lots of information floating around intelligence communities and among investigative lawyers about the WB. Some think they might know who he is. It's curious that info is coming out and yet media suggests WB's identity remains  secret. Thus my question. For future reference I will provide initials, NP. We shall see.

If you are a big fan of the truth i suggest you keep clear of trump. He is the gold medallist of liars.

[JHolmesJr]

23 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Some of his language was unusually salty.

And some of his tweets during the day smacked of a 13 year old sent to his room.

My fav o the day... "they suck". Ever the classy president. 

 

 

You're easy to offend, I fear for your nerves if he had said:

 

"He was only a good Vice President because he knew how to kiss....

Barack Obama's ass" 

 

Which he did....LOL