Two killed in shooting in eastern German city of Halle: police

[snoop1130]

Two killed in shooting in eastern German city of Halle: police

 

Police officers are seen at the site of a shooting, in which two people were killed, in Halle, Germany October 9, 2019. REUTERS/Hannibal Hanschke

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - Two people were killed in a shooting in the eastern German city of Halle on Wednesday and a suspect was arrested, police said, with broadcasters showing images of an alleged perpetrator dressed in combat garb including a helmet.

 

Mass-selling daily Bild said the shooting took place in front of a synagogue, and that a hand grenade was also thrown into a Jewish cemetery. An eyewitness told n-tv that someone had also fired shots into a kebab bistro in Halle.

 

The violence occurred on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year in Judaism when Jews fast for 25 hours, seeking atonement.

 

An unnamed eyewitness told local media the assailant at the synagogue was dressed in combat gear including a helmet, and had thrown several explosive devices into the cemetery.

 

Regional public broadcaster MDR broadcast images of a man in combat clothing firing shots along a street from behind a car. Broadcaster Welt also showed a still image of a man in combat gear with a gun.

 

“Our forces have detained one person,” local police said on Twitter. “Please nonetheless remain vigilant.” Earlier, police tweeted: “According to initial findings, two people were killed in Halle. There were several shots.”

 

Gunshots were also heard in Landsberg, a Halle suburb, Focus Online reported.

 

“This is terrible news from Halle and I hope very much that the police catch the perpetrator, or perpetrators, as quickly as possible,” government spokesman Steffen Seibert said, interrupting a regular government news conference.

 

National rail operator Deutsche Bahn said the main train station in Halle had been closed.

 

Police did not immediately confirm the media reports associating the gunfire and grenade attack with Jewish targets.

 

Anti-Semitism is an especially sensitive issue in Germany, which during World War Two was responsible for the genocide of 6 million Jews in the Nazi Holocaust.

 

Despite comprehensive de-Nazification in the post-war era, fears of resurgent anti-Semitic hatred have never completely gone away, whether from fringe, far-right neo-Nazis or more recently from Muslim immigrants.

 

Occasional past attacks have ranged from the scrawling of Nazi swastikas on gravestones to firebombings at synagogues and even several murders. In recent years, cases of assault or verbal abuse, in some cases directed against people wearing traditional Jewish skullcaps, have raised an outcry.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-10-09

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[Chomper Higgot]

“Despite comprehensive de-Nazification in the post-war era”

 

The ‘comprehensive de-Nazification’ programs were only put in place in what was ‘West Germany’, the communists controlling East Germany  made no such efforts to re-educate East Germans from their years of Nazi propaganda and Nazi brainwashing.

 

Added to which the Communists themselves had and have a deep rooted anti Semitic culture.

 

The outcome of this is in a now unified Germany the extreme rightwing and neither-Nazis are almost entirely coming from or centered in the former East Germany.

[schlog]

Divide et impera.

Call me a cynic but isn't the point of time perfect only some days before the next election....

New chapter of the NSU show?

[Bluespunk]

*Removed post edited out*

 

Germany shooting: Gunman kills two after attacking synagogue https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49988482

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/09/germany-shooting-synagogue-halle-livestreamed

[ivor bigun]

So you're trying to blame the victims here? Because the shooter was a 27yo White German male. What a surprise.

I certainly was not blaming the victimes,you never hear of anything but good from the Jewish community,as for it being a surprise that he was a white German is was,its usually not one of them in the news its usually followers of Islam and thats a fact,you cant deny that.

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[ivor bigun]

Except the shooter was a 20+ yo German white male.

Wow,thats unusual.

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[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Wow,thats unusual.

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But that didnt stop you spouting off wrongly.

 

it may be unusual in germany but perfectly normal in US.

[JamesBlond]

Terrorism of any kind arises from people feeling threatened. You would think that Germans, of all people, would know how to avoid that situation arising again. They blew it.

[Saint Nick]

23 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Why hang my head ,for every one like this piece of excrement there are 100 of the other ones.,look at the usual pictures in the papers.

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Except, the majority -the VAST majority- of criminal acts of all kinds in Germany (and other European countries) are still committed by "the locals"!

And by the way: what happens in other cases, has nothing to do with THIS case! 

[Saint Nick]

22 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I certainly was not blaming the victimes,you never hear of anything but good from the Jewish community,as for it being a surprise that he was a white German is was,its usually not one of them in the news its usually followers of Islam and thats a fact,you cant deny that.

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Care to back up your "fact" with some statistics_

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[ivor bigun]

Care to back up your "fact" with some statistics_

Ok i give up ,its so rare that you ever see followers of Islam in the papers commiting acts of terror,there are far far more right wing fanatics,Jewish and Christian people ,blowing up innocents ,ploughing into them ,attacking rock concerts and straping on suicide vests and blowing up innocent people ,happy?

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[Saint Nick]

23 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Ok i give up ,its so rare that you ever see followers of Islam in the papers commiting acts of terror,there are far far more right wing fanatics,Jewish and Christian people ,blowing up innocents ,ploughing into them ,attacking rock concerts and straping on suicide vests and blowing up innocent people ,happy?

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Compared to "white (christian)" crimes?

Yes...absolutely!

maybe you should look at the USA!?

Just an example!

I am still waiting for your sources!

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

I certainly was not blaming the victimes,you never hear of anything but good from the Jewish community,as for it being a surprise that he was a white German is was,its usually not one of them in the news its usually followers of Islam and thats a fact,you cant deny that.

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It's usually followers of Islam? You mean apart from

 

July 2011 - 77 people killed in attacks on Utøya island and in Oslo, Norway by neo-Nazi Anders Breivik

 

August 2012 - Six worshippers killed in a shooting targeting a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, US

 

September 2013 - Rapper and anti-fascist activist Pavlos Fyssas stabbed to death in Piraeus, Greece Greece’s neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party

 

April 2014 – Three killed at Jewish centre and retirement home in Overland Park, Kansas, US by a former Ku Klux Klan leader 

 

June 2015 - Nine people killed during Bible study at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina, US by a self-avowed white supremacist.

 

October 2015 - Three killed in attack on school in Trollhättan, Sweden

 

June 2016 - Labour MP Jo Cox shot and stabbed to death, UK by Thomas Mair, a white supremacist

January 2017 - Six people killed during evening prayers at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada

 

March 2017 - Timothy Caughman stalked and killed by a white supremacist with a sword, New York, US

 

May 2017 - Two men stabbed to death after intervening in an anti-Muslim rant, Portland, Oregon, US

 

June 2017 - Makram Ali killed and 12 people injured after a van ploughed into worshippers outside a mosque in Finsbury Park, United Kingdom by Darren Osborne,

August 2017 - Heather Heyer killed and dozens injured after a car ploughed into anti-Nazi protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, US

 

October 2018 – White supremacist killed two black people in a supermarket in Kentucky, US

 

November 2018 - 11 killed in a mass shooting targeting the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US.

 

August 2019 -  two mosques targeted in Christchurch, New Zealand, killing 49 people

 

And that's only in the last 10 years.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, JamesBlond said:

Terrorism of any kind arises from people feeling threatened. You would think that Germans, of all people, would know how to avoid that situation arising again. They blew it.

Oh those poor terrorists. Feeling all threatened and the likes. I mean it's just no wonder they lash out and commit mass murder on such a regular basis. 

[RichardColeman]

 

12 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

It's usually followers of Islam? You mean apart from

I think it fair to point out that whilst there is some aggression against Muslims that 99% of all terrorism is probably Muslim in origin ! You highlight maybe say 30 a year killed by far right, but how many killed by muslims in the same year ? 100,00 ? 

[Chomper Higgot]

 Nothing in this thread is about Islam or Muslims.

 

Apart from knee jerks and whataboutary.

[longtom]

 
I think it fair to point out that whilst there is some aggression against Muslims that 99% of all terrorism is probably Muslim in origin ! You highlight maybe say 30 a year killed by far right, but how many killed by muslims in the same year ? 100,00 ? 

How many are 100,00? I'm truly confused.

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[yogi100]

5 hours ago, schlog said:

Divide et impera.

Call me a cynic but isn't the point of time perfect only some days before the next election....

New chapter of the NSU show?

NSU were taken over by Volkswagen long after WW2 and the demise of the Nazi Party.

[yogi100]

56 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

 

I think it fair to point out that whilst there is some aggression against Muslims that 99% of all terrorism is probably Muslim in origin ! You highlight maybe say 30 a year killed by far right, but how many killed by muslims in the same year ? 100,00 ? 

Steady Richard you'll get him more confused than he already usually is!

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

 

I think it fair to point out that whilst there is some aggression against Muslims that 99% of all terrorism is probably Muslim in origin ! You highlight maybe say 30 a year killed by far right, but how many killed by muslims in the same year ? 100,00 ? 

If  you are using numbers that include muslim attacks on muslim which depends on point of view as to either war or insurgency based on  religio/political motive then that scenario is  quite separate to personalized random acts of urban social terrorism against ethnic or religious individuals or groups who have  no normal expectation of need for defense in locations of no generalized conflict.

 

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Despite comprehensive de-Nazification in the post-war era”

 

The ‘comprehensive de-Nazification’ programs were only put in place in what was ‘West Germany’, the communists controlling East Germany  made no such efforts to re-educate East Germans from their years of Nazi propaganda and Nazi brainwashing.

 

Added to which the Communists themselves had and have a deep rooted anti Semitic culture.

 

The outcome of this is in a now unified Germany the extreme rightwing and neither-Nazis are almost entirely coming from or centered in the former East Germany.

"From the beginning, denazification in the Soviet zone was considered a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society and was quickly and effectively put into practice." Source Wikipedia.

 

You seem to be rather wrong in your statement about de-nazification in the DDR.

[Saint Nick]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

It's usually followers of Islam? You mean apart from

 

July 2011 - 77 people killed in attacks on Utøya island and in Oslo, Norway by neo-Nazi Anders Breivik

 

August 2012 - Six worshippers killed in a shooting targeting a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, US

 

September 2013 - Rapper and anti-fascist activist Pavlos Fyssas stabbed to death in Piraeus, Greece Greece’s neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party

 

April 2014 – Three killed at Jewish centre and retirement home in Overland Park, Kansas, US by a former Ku Klux Klan leader 

 

June 2015 - Nine people killed during Bible study at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina, US by a self-avowed white supremacist.

 

October 2015 - Three killed in attack on school in Trollhättan, Sweden

 

June 2016 - Labour MP Jo Cox shot and stabbed to death, UK by Thomas Mair, a white supremacist

January 2017 - Six people killed during evening prayers at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada

 

March 2017 - Timothy Caughman stalked and killed by a white supremacist with a sword, New York, US

 

May 2017 - Two men stabbed to death after intervening in an anti-Muslim rant, Portland, Oregon, US

 

June 2017 - Makram Ali killed and 12 people injured after a van ploughed into worshippers outside a mosque in Finsbury Park, United Kingdom by Darren Osborne,

August 2017 - Heather Heyer killed and dozens injured after a car ploughed into anti-Nazi protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, US

 

October 2018 – White supremacist killed two black people in a supermarket in Kentucky, US

 

November 2018 - 11 killed in a mass shooting targeting the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US.

 

August 2019 -  two mosques targeted in Christchurch, New Zealand, killing 49 people

 

And that's only in the last 10 years.

He mentioned Rock- concerts, probably hinting at the Bataclan- shooting in France.

Maybe we should remind him of the 2017 Las Vegas- shooting.

No political background, but nonetheless: no muslim involved , but a guy, as white as the wall!

58 people dead an a total of  851 injured!

 

...god, I hate, when this s**t develops into a contest of who -is- worse! 

[KhunBENQ]

1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

NSU were taken over by Volkswagen long after WW2 and the demise of the Nazi Party.

Bad misunderstanding. Not a car brand but a gang of three(?) nazi admiring extremists who killed 9 immigrants and a police woman over the years.

National Socialist Underground

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

Steady Richard you'll get him more confused than he already usually is!

Confused about him picking a random number out of nowhere?

I tell you a way to avoid 'confusion'. Why don't you get actual numbers from actual verifiable sources that actually tell you the correct number? 

I'll wait.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

"From the beginning, denazification in the Soviet zone was considered a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society and was quickly and effectively put into practice." Source Wikipedia.

 

You seem to be rather wrong in your statement about de-nazification in the DDR.

You need to broaden your sources.

 

Denazification in East Germany ended in 1948.

 

https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/Vol4Denazification.doc

 

Whereas in West Germany it has been a continuous program since the end of the war and is woven into the school curriculum and laws

[mercman24]

take a lesson from the french, they kill them

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, mercman24 said:

take a lesson from the french, they kill them

The French kill who?

[ivor bigun]

The French kill who?

Anyone who makes them work more than a 24 hr week. [emoji6]

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