Over to EU on Brexit delay, Johnson says after parliament rejects swift decision

[SheungWan]

Yes, they are. That's why nothing but a GE can really change anything.

So sorry. Shop closed.

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[SheungWan]

Yes. I know. My bad. I just like the sound of Gaullister, that's all. It adds emph and reminds me of the Munsters!

In a silly hole and persists digging.

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[evadgib]

31 minutes ago, vogie said:

Not interested in echolalia, it's boring.

I thought that was an album by 'The Who' ????

[JAG]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Not interested in echolalia, it's boring.

I had to look that one up!

'Tis a cracker!

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/24/brexit-general-election-boris-johnson-labour-eu-extension-live-news

12m ago 17:05

Johnson calls for a general election on December 12

 

Boris Johnson has announced that he will push for a general election on 12 December.

He says that parliament voted to delay Brexit and “that delay could go on for a very long time” because the EU would respond to parliament’s request and agree an extension.

 

The prime minister said he wanted “to be reasonable with parliament” and say they can have more time to scrutinise the legislation if they submit to a general election on 12 December.

Edited October 24, 2019 by david555

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/24/brexit-general-election-boris-johnson-labour-eu-extension-live-news

12m ago 17:05

Johnson calls for a general election on December 12

 

Boris Johnson has announced that he will push for a general election on 12 December.

He says that parliament voted to delay Brexit and “that delay could go on for a very long time” because the EU would respond to parliament’s request and agree an extension.

 

The prime minister said he wanted “to be reasonable with parliament” and say they can have more time to scrutinise the legislation if they submit to a general election on 12 December.

Ah, johnson still acting under the delusion he can dictate to Parliament. 
 

Parliament has rejected his timetable and can take as long as it likes to scrutinise his deal. The EU can influence this timeline by deciding how long it will extend the brexit deadline, but johnson has no such power, due to his being a minority government/coalition. 
 

Equally Parliament controls whether there will be an election or not. It can grant him an election, but only if it wishes to. 

Edited October 24, 2019 by Bluespunk

[evadgib]

Yer couldn't make it up

 

[david555]

47 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Yer couldn't make it up

 

it would be fun to see the E.U. postpone the extension decision with a day or 5...????So after all those coming votes / plans ….so let them cook some days longer ... in their own Westminster  juice...

Edited October 24, 2019 by david555

[beautifulthailand99]

Beware the wrath of a Brexit inclined Conservative Woman ....

 

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/never-smile-at-a-brocodile/

 

No, it is we who shall pay the price. In cash, in EU disenfranchisement, in the semi-detachment of Northern Ireland, in ceding control over fishing, taxation, business subsidies and other areas. In financial ruin, if the eurozone collapses while we are still co-guarantor for the European Investment Bank’s debts; finally, perhaps, in blood and wreckage, if the EU’s ambitions for Empire and command of UK forces tempt them into fatal overreach.

Our leaders were never going to outwit the EU’s, who resemble the kind of lawyer who could write your will and surreptitiously make himself the sole beneficiary.

Nor does our Government have much to fear from the Opposition, who are determined only that whichever way Pussy goes through the catflap she should still be stuck in the house. With all their procedural tricks, they are not an Opposition but a Subversion.

No, it is we who are the enemy. How long and at what cost did we fight to cage an overmighty Crown within Parliament; and how much longer was the battle for universal suffrage, even now less than a century old? We are John Major’s ‘bastards’, we, who opted to Leave, with our stubby pencils.

 

And a fisherman calls Boris's deal a sell-out. 

 

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/fisheries-left-dangling-in-the-battle-for-our-seas/

 

If Parliament is given time fully to scrutinise the Bill which it has just voted for, one can only hope that MPs will fully understand the horror of what they have agreed to, but I doubt it. They would rather place the UK into a position far worse than being a full EU member. Then there are MPs who have the audacity to want a second referendum based on Remain or the deal, leaving Leavers the choice of not voting or voting remain. When MPs talk about loss of jobs, it is they who are causing lack of business confidence for not carrying out the wishes of the people.

 

Brexiteers who want it done take note......

 

 

Edited October 24, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[tebee]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

No explanation about the high numbers immigrating 2014-2016, however.

 

 

Basically she was cr*p at her job even then - she tried to make it more difficult, but the law restricted her. And you have to remember back in those days the conservative party was still the party of business. Business needs more immigrants    

 

 

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

 

Some jaunty nautical quips, with the tanker and reef references. But wait. Ahoy there! It has only been remainers who are surprised that this actually happened. 

 

Well if 2 years is not enough than you might explain that to the EU? It's their guideline.

 

The economy is not wrecked but actually still doing better than the rest of the EU.

Businesses do not plan 2 years ahead, but make investments based on what they expect the future to be many year hence. We have had 40 year of stability with those businesses knowing we were part of the single market. Thousands of people have made plans assuming that stability would continue. YOu expect them to be able to change everything in two years ? NOt only that, but we are three years into this mess and we still have no idea what our future relationship with Europe will be - you still expect anybody will take the UK as serious place to invest ?

 

2 years might be the EU's guideline, it has the advantage of giving the EU a serious advantage in the negotiations.    anyone with any sense would have renegotiated those guidelines before starting - but no, it suited the brexiter's impatience - this is all part of why we have ended up with  a thoroughly bad deal 

 

Economy is doing about 3% worse  than was projected before brexit - and we haven't left yet !

[kingdong]

On 10/23/2019 at 1:16 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

“British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday it was up to the EU to decide whether it wanted to delay Brexit and for how long, after a defeat in parliament”

 

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

Yeah the remainers

[kingdong]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexiteers failed to plan, wound up stuck in a mess of their own making.

 

And of course, it’s everyone else’s fault.

Yeah he's just explained it.

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Intellectually sloppy. Sorry, but one should not put up with this nonsense whether coming from Remain or Leave camp.

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"Intellectually sloppy" to side step the answer.

Sorry, but it does not matter what you think but brexit has highlighted to a large percentage of Scots the Westminster dictatorship, or whatever word you want to use for suppression.

[nauseus]

16 hours ago, SheungWan said:

I passed my Geography 'O' Level, which seems probably not to have been the case with some of the Brexiteers on this thread having a go at dipping their toes in historical references without knowing when and where the references pertain to.

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Congratulations!

[nauseus]

15 hours ago, Victornoir said:

As always, you point a pointless detail with pedantry to serve your nationalist soup.

 The Exact Phrase in French was "Un vaste ensemble européen allant de l' Atlanticque à l'Oural". It was pronounced several times by General de Gaulle in the 1950s to clarify the foundations of the nascent European Union. No need to specify the limits of Siberia to be understood by everyone, except you...

 

He always opposed the British participation in this project and you had to wait for his death to join our union after many years to beg Brussels.

 

That brings us back to Brexit again and the question of your belonging to the EU that also arises on the other side of the Channel.

I like French onion soup. So there!

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, tebee said:

Basically she was cr*p at her job even then - she tried to make it more difficult, but the law restricted her. And you have to remember back in those days the conservative party was still the party of business. Business needs more immigrants    

 

 

Businesses do not plan 2 years ahead, but make investments based on what they expect the future to be many year hence. We have had 40 year of stability with those businesses knowing we were part of the single market. Thousands of people have made plans assuming that stability would continue. YOu expect them to be able to change everything in two years ? NOt only that, but we are three years into this mess and we still have no idea what our future relationship with Europe will be - you still expect anybody will take the UK as serious place to invest ?

 

2 years might be the EU's guideline, it has the advantage of giving the EU a serious advantage in the negotiations.    anyone with any sense would have renegotiated those guidelines before starting - but no, it suited the brexiter's impatience - this is all part of why we have ended up with  a thoroughly bad deal 

 

Economy is doing about 3% worse  than was projected before brexit - and we haven't left yet !

As the withdrawal was first controlled, then later, hampered by remainers, very little, post referendum, has been done to suit Brexiteers. The UK economy is still doing better than the rest of Europe and much of the world - check around a bit. 

Edited October 25, 2019 by nauseus

[SheungWan]

"Intellectually sloppy" to side step the answer.
Sorry, but it does not matter what you think but brexit has highlighted to a large percentage of Scots the Westminster dictatorship, or whatever word you want to use for suppression.

The relationship between the UK Govt and Scotland is not a dictatorship. Full stop. What goes on inside some people's heads notwithstanding.

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[SheungWan]

Congratulations!

One is continually unimpressed with contributors' regular use of historical references apparently without the slightest effort to check the appropriateness of what they are saying. 'Operation Barbarossa' is just the latest in a long line. One would have hoped that Brexiteers didn't fall into this given their supposed interest in WW2. In reality not really an interest, but just looking for barbs to throw.

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[SheungWan]

As the withdrawal was first controlled, then later, hampered by remainers, very little, post referendum, has been done to suit Brexiteers. The UK economy is still doing better than the rest of Europe and much of the world - check around a bit. 

The task is not to do anything whatsoever to 'suit Brexiteers' if this contradicts the Law or reasonable behaviour. This is not about sweeties to be shared around.

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[SheungWan]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/24/brexit-general-election-boris-johnson-labour-eu-extension-live-news
12m ago 17:05
Johnson calls for a general election on December 12
 
Boris Johnson has announced that he will push for a general election on 12 December.
He says that parliament voted to delay Brexit and “that delay could go on for a very long time” because the EU would respond to parliament’s request and agree an extension.
 
The prime minister said he wanted “to be reasonable with parliament” and say they can have more time to scrutinise the legislation if they submit to a general election on 12 December.

It is outrageous that giving appropriate time to discuss a Bill is subject to something else. Is this the best advice Cummings can give Boris? Useless.

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[sandyf]

47 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The relationship between the UK Govt and Scotland is not a dictatorship. Full stop. What goes on inside some people's heads notwithstanding.

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The Scottish government would be over the moon if there was any chance of you being right.

Unfortunately you are wrong, did the the UK have to get permission from the EU to hold the referendum, of course not , they are not the dictators in the brexit debate.

 

Setting out her Programme of Government, Ms Sturgeon put her opponents on notice, saying: “Let me by crystal clear today – the SNP will put Scotland’s opposition to Brexit and our right to choose independence at the very heart of that contest.”

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17885395.boris-johnson-renews-attacks-scottish-separatists-ahead-visit-aberdeenshire/

[nauseus]

56 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

One is continually unimpressed with contributors' regular use of historical references apparently without the slightest effort to check the appropriateness of what they are saying. 'Operation Barbarossa' is just the latest in a long line. One would have hoped that Brexiteers didn't fall into this given their supposed interest in WW2. In reality not really an interest, but just looking for barbs to throw.

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The first historical reference on this thread was made by Victor, not me. Now if you can accept that the Urals are well inside Russia and well east of Volgograd, then you might see the risk in promoting this Atlantic to the Urals European dream.

[nauseus]

58 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The task is not to do anything whatsoever to 'suit Brexiteers' if this contradicts the Law or reasonable behaviour. This is not about sweeties to be shared around.

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The task? 

[david555]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The first historical reference on this thread was made by Victor, not me. Now if you can accept that the Urals are well inside Russia and well east of Volgograd, then you might see the risk in promoting this Atlantic to the Urals European dream.

Ok.O.k !….. we step a little bit back then ….????

[Opl]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The first historical reference on this thread was made by Victor, not me. Now if you can accept that the Urals are well inside Russia and well east of Volgograd, then you might see the risk in promoting this Atlantic to the Urals European dream.

you are right, that was the idea of Eurasia "then" , this is obsolete now, 

 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2019 by Opl

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Opl said:

you are right, that was the idea of Eurasia "then" , this is obsolete now, 

 

 

 

Thanks, let's hope so. Please let Victor de Gaulle know.

[tebee]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

As the withdrawal was first controlled, then later, hampered by remainers, very little, post referendum, has been done to suit Brexiteers. The UK economy is still doing better than the rest of Europe and much of the world - check around a bit. 

I wouldn't be so sure about the last point