Tourist numbers well on track statistics show

[Parker2100]

4 hours ago, Stevemercer said:

Just for information, Thailand currently ranks number 9 in terms of international tourists:

 

The World's Most Visited Countries

• United States - 80 million visitors.
• China - 63 million visitors. ...
• Italy - 62 million visitors. ...
• Turkey - 46 million visitors. ...
• Mexico - 41 million visitors. ...
• Germany - 39 million visitors. ...
• Thailand - 38 million visitors. ...
• United Kingdom - 36 million visitors. ..

(From Wikipedia)

It would be interesting to know Dollars spent per tourist.

 

Including long-term tourists which Thailand is trying to eliminate.

 

[poohy]

24 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Everyday. 18 bus the best day so far. Always 6+

Average 10.

she give job to 14 thai people. 

 

 

They pay same price everyone.

 

 

Up to you imagine. 

 

I repeat one time for you. 

500+ chinese

8 Russians.

nobody more.

 

if she rely on the euro, she will have no business.

worker have no job. 

chinese enjoy tour. Euro not so much, lay on the beach.

 

my friend successful. She like chinese customer, they not complain everything. 

Soon Yinn will do same, different place. Plan with orbortor now.

 

 

Ok shes busy good for her

But what does your friend have to "pay" to Chinese tour group bosses to get this business .

100% its NOT free!!

 

Please remember Others can also do the same  then the "Money buses " park at another restaurant

[dallen52]

3 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

 

The regular nightspot areas are frequented by Indians and folk of similar ilk, but walking is their pastime, rather than spending any money.

One drink and 4 straws.

 

My wife's boss (thai) refuses to serve them.

They split the meals and ask for another plate..

 

Just the quality of tourists they want here..

[Stevemercer]

Thai tourism has gone up 3.5% compared to the world average of 5.5% so, comparatively, tourism in Thailand is growing at just over half the rate of the other top 10 countries.

 

So either the other countries are doing something right or Thailand is doing something wrong (e.g. growing less than its potential).

 

I always wonder how Thailand benchmarks its tourist growth. It seems to just compare its own figures month by month or year by year. International best practice might see itself benchmarking its tourist growth against similar tourist-orientated countries.

 

Edited October 26, 2019 by Stevemercer

[Yinn]

30 minutes ago, poohy said:

Ok shes busy good for her

But what does your friend have to "pay" to Chinese tour group bosses to get this business .

100% its NOT free!!

20%. Customer pay 500. My friend get 400.

 

30 minutes ago, poohy said:

 

Please remember Others can also do the same  then the "Money buses " park at another restaurant

Is not restaurant.

Is tour attraction. 

[nakluapattaya]

Whats the benefit for messing with the numbers? Beneficial for what?

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Yinn said:

Everyday. 18 bus the best day so far. Always 6+

Average 10.

she give job to 14 thai people. 

 

 

They pay same price everyone.

 

 

Up to you imagine. 

 

I repeat one time for you. 

500+ chinese

8 Russians.

nobody more.

 

if she rely on the euro, she will have no business.

worker have no job. 

chinese enjoy tour. Euro not so much, lay on the beach.

 

my friend successful. She like chinese customer, they not complain everything. 

Soon Yinn will do same, different place. Plan with orbortor now.

 

 

and you want us to believe 18 bus a day, 500 + Chinese a day.... 555 and the pope is Catholic, I am being polite here, please,  get real and don't play us for stupid unless you work for TAT

[stevemac]

All the entry stats are available on the Immigration website. They come directly from the entries entered into the database every time someone passes through passport control. TAT use these numbers.

You'll never convince the conspiracy theorists!

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[stevemac]

I have no reason to doubt the arrval numbers as they have tangible data to produce these figures. But which arrivals are counted as tourists?
 
I'm amazed to see an increase in Brits, but how many of these Brits and Europeans are enterd on the system multiple times as border runners and, increasingly, those that spend a couple of days in Thailand then returning for their flights home? Two arrivals for the price of one!
 
And the figures would indicate that most Malaysians and Laotians are extremely short stayers, weekenders at best, jusdging by the low amounts spent per head. Those figures also show that Europeans spend much more per head than the Chinese, though of course they stay longer. It would appear that Middle Easterners spend more than others, so we should expect a targeted marketing campaign there by the TAT.
 
Second best spenders per head? Us British!

You'd surely need a multi-entry visa to return for your flight home if you were travelling in the region and started in Thailand, to return for your flight? Granted some people would do this but it would be a very small minority!
If border runners are counted, it's got to be valid to include them in the count again as they contribute to the economy multiple times.
Governments around the globe use similar generalisations to provide ESTIMATES for economic and infrastructure requirements.
Theres going to be variances in all these figures as you can't account for all sub, sub, sub groups who wouldn't affect the overall projection significantly.

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[Yinn]

42 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and you want us to believe 18 bus a day, 500 + Chinese a day.... 555 and the pope is Catholic, I am being polite here, please,  get real and don't play us for stupid unless you work for TAT

8 million Chinese come to Thailand. 

They like to tour, love it. They tour all day. 

 

You not see it at your empty bar. I understand that. 

I not care.

I happy have bet is true. But think you have no money to pay. I will pay for your air ticket.

 

Pope is catholic? And???? 

 

Play at you for stupid? Hmmmm. Lazy to answer you again. 

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, Yinn said:

8 million Chinese come to Thailand. 

They like to tour, love it. They tour all day. 

 

You not see it at your empty bar. I understand that. 

I not care.

I happy have bet is true. But think you have no money to pay. I will pay for your air ticket.

 

Pope is catholic? And???? 

 

Play at you for stupid? Hmmmm. Lazy to answer you again. 

really don't know why wasted time answering your (useless) posts, lesson learned, will not repeat and just FYI I don't have or frequent bars, I do have a manufacturing place and trust me when I say the economy in Thailand it's going down, unfortunately I know what I am talking about

Edited October 26, 2019 by Mavideol
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[stevemac]

It wouldn't surprise me if the TAT is counting the flight attendants and pilots as tourists when they land. Anything to try and cover up the issue.

They wouldn't be on a tourist visa or visa exempt!

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[brenton]

I have a friend living in Jomtien.His observation of the beaches,is they are almost empty.Perhaps the crowds are just on the way

[observer90210]

There are always the "Wow" tourists, stupidly allowing themselves to be cheated all over should it be from taxis, high THB, tuktuks to the overpriced Thai malls. But for how long  ?

[jmvhugo]

I am surprised by these numbers. There appear to be about 8 million visitors from non-mentioned countries. And they're apparently "low spenders" (THB40k each, compared with THB50k per Chinese visitor and THB42 per Indian). Where are they coming from? But it seems like the high spenders (Europeans, Arabs - averaging THB70k pp) are dropping away by 2% this year.

 

 

[DUNROAMIN]

Yeah sure, and pigs fly !!

[spidermike007]

Yinn wrote:

 

They like to tour, love it. They tour all day. 

 

You not see it at your empty bar. I understand that. 

I not care.

I happy have bet is true. But think you have no money to pay. I will pay for your air ticket.

 

Pope is catholic? And???? 

 

Play at you for stupid? Hmmmm. Lazy to answer you again.

 

my reply:

 

Real high quality tourism. Wow. They each paid $13. Amazing what you can find, when you really come up with a plan, and then get the best minds to implement it. 

Edited October 26, 2019 by spidermike007

[SteveK]

You used to see Scandinavian tourists in the bars in Pattaya living it up getting drunk in the daytime, eating loads of food and no doubt dropping thousands of baht everywhere they go. Now these guys, intelligent as they are, will be going somewhere else. But don't worry, because you've got Indians coming in sharing hotel rooms and cans of coke from 7-Eleven. But Thailand economy velly strong, always be OK!

[dimitriv]

48 minutes ago, SteveK said:

Indians coming in sharing hotel rooms and cans of coke from 7-Eleven

 

They don't only share hotel rooms and cans of coke. They also try to share other things/services. I once saw the negotiations for that. But it's not allowed to write about that here. Article 17 states: "17) You will not discuss the specifics of prostitution. "

 

I am curious how it will be in a year from now. If what we see and think is right it will be a disaster for Thailand. Until then everything is based on assumptions.

 

 

[exparte]

Whenever a Government tells you things are going well and on track. That's the time to worry. 

[dallen52]

What would be interesting to see is the actual length of stay per "Tourist".!!!

Then calculate the spend per tourist day here.

 

It's all well to say the Chinese tourists are way outnumbering any others, but takeaway certain factors, like.

 

C. Tourists book through home country agents. 

C. Tourists are escorted everywhere. 

C. Tourists have free entry to Thailand. No visa fees.

C. Tourists never return. 

C. Tourists buy up cheap condos and then rent to other country folks.

C. Tourists have massive discounts on the tour packages. 

C. Tourists usually have one free night to get out alone. 

C. Tourists normally do 5 or 7 days group tours.

C. Tourists go everywhere in chartered buses.

 

The recorded/reported revenue is only the up front spend.

The on the street spend is next to nothing. 

They would not come if not for the huge promotional discount they get.

 

You talk to any locals around Pattaya and they put them in the same category as the Indian tourists. 

 

One drink many straws.

One meal, several plates to share. 

And definitely no tips...

 

[dimitriv]

2 hours ago, dallen52 said:

What would be interesting to see is the actual length of stay per "Tourist".!!!

 

C. Tourists normally do 5 or 7 days group tours.

 

 

This can explain the empty hotels/streets.

 

People from Europe will come for 2 or 3 weeks. 5 days is not worth it to travel so far. So you need at least 3 Chinese tourists to replace 1 European tourist.

 

 

[joecoolfrog]

On 10/25/2019 at 9:40 AM, Just Weird said:

Based on what, what makes you "reckon" that?

Well if you think that over 1 million Laotians were bona fide tourists then you need your head examined.

Because I go through Thai passport control 4 times in a year , that counts me as 4 tourists in TATS eyes , complete nonsense.

The immigration data is correct in terms of head count only , converting the numbers wholesale and pretending they relate to true tourist figures is plain dishonesty.

[joecoolfrog]

On 10/25/2019 at 9:47 AM, Angry Dragon said:

I reckon you understand their reasons for hoping that these stats are wrong.  Here's a gross oversimplification of their simple thinking:

 

Weak tourism stats = weak economy = weaker Baht around the corner (yay!)

Strong tourism stats = strong economy = strong Baht (boo!)

Its simple enough to work out that the stats dont equate to true tourist numbers , the anomalies have been pointed out countless times.

The key question is why TAT feel the need to constantly massage the numbers !

[AussieBob18]

3 hours ago, dallen52 said:

What would be interesting to see is the actual length of stay per "Tourist".!!!

Then calculate the spend per tourist day here.

 

It's all well to say the Chinese tourists are way outnumbering any others, but takeaway certain factors, like.

 

C. Tourists book through home country agents. 

C. Tourists are escorted everywhere. 

C. Tourists have free entry to Thailand. No visa fees.

C. Tourists never return. 

C. Tourists buy up cheap condos and then rent to other country folks.

C. Tourists have massive discounts on the tour packages. 

C. Tourists usually have one free night to get out alone. 

C. Tourists normally do 5 or 7 days group tours.

C. Tourists go everywhere in chartered buses.

The recorded/reported revenue is only the up front spend.

The on the street spend is next to nothing. 

They would not come if not for the huge promotional discount they get.

You talk to any locals around Pattaya and they put them in the same category as the Indian tourists. 

One drink many straws.

One meal, several plates to share. 

And definitely no tips...

 

I read somewhere a while back that TAT uses figures from 2013/2014, which were made up even back then.  They calculated (estimated) what each tourist is worth to the Thailand economy and then multiply that by the number of entries.  Lies Damn Lies and Statistics.  They count all entries into Thailand as a 'tourist'. This includes all entries from Malaysia (Southern Border) and from Loas, Burma and Cambodia - most of which are workers and friends/relatives of Thais - and Thais returning?  Since 2014 low value Chinese and Indian tourists have 'boomed' and genuine 'high value' tourists have dropped.  There may well be more people entering Thailand each year - but are they all really tourists and are they all spending as much as the previous genberation of tourists did (and are they staying and marrying local Thais?). 

 

Intresting facts from the table in this link below.  In 2018 there was 10 million 'tourists' from China, and the next biggest in 2018 was 4 million from Malaysia - and then all the other countries are listed. What does it 'really' mean when it lists 10 million came from "ASEAN" - when all the countries in ASEAN are separately listed? Maybe they are the 'visitors/workers' and are not tourists? Just asking. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand#targetText=In 2016%2C Thailand had 32.6,from 5%2C100 baht in 2016.

 

I did some research on Aussies travelling overseas and Skyscanner noted something interesting.

Top 10 Emerging Destinations    YoY Growth 
Lisbon (Portugal)                       37%    
Da Nang (Vietnam)                     23%    
Kiev (Ukraine)                            129%    
Nice (France)                             33%    
Thessaloniki (Greece)                  69%    
St Petersburg (Russia)                49%    
Nha Trang (Vietnam)                   33%    
Palawan  (Philippines)                 32%    
Porto (Portugal)                          31%    
Medellin (Colombia)                    23%

Bangkok is number 4 destination actually visited, but it had by far the largest increase in the costs of the fare (+12.3%). 

The trend for Aussie tourists going to Bangkok is in decline. Interesting that there are 2 cities in Vietnam on the top 10 list.

 

Edited October 27, 2019 by AussieBob18

[BuckBee]

13 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said:

Yeah sure, and pigs fly !!

If they got money they welcome, every arrival card counts lol

[SteveK]

1 hour ago, joecoolfrog said:

Well if you think that over 1 million Laotians were bona fide tourists then you need your head examined.

Because I go through Thai passport control 4 times in a year , that counts me as 4 tourists in TATS eyes , complete nonsense.

The immigration data is correct in terms of head count only , converting the numbers wholesale and pretending they relate to true tourist figures is plain dishonesty.

I live close to the Laos border. Most of them come over just to go to Makro then go home. If a family does that 3-4 times per year, is that adding to the tourism figures? I suspect that it is, i.e. the figures are completely rigged.

[xylophone]

15 hours ago, Yinn said:

8 million Chinese come to Thailand. 

They like to tour, love it. They tour all day. 

 

You not see it at your empty bar. I understand that. 

I not care.

I happy have bet is true. But think you have no money to pay. I will pay for your air ticket.

 

Pope is catholic? And???? 

 

Play at you for stupid? Hmmmm. Lazy to answer you again. 

They also like to spit on the floors in restaurants, put their feet on restaurant and cafe tables and cut their toenails at the same time, so that everyone gets showered with bits of toenails and dry skin – – yes I have seen all of that from the Chinese visitors.

 

You can add that I've also seen them pissing in the street and also defecating in the flower beds outside of a restaurant.

 

And the noise that they make when in large groups, taking over small cafes and allowing their children to play like it was a playground, as well as shouting above everybody else, is just monstrous. And on a number of occasions I have stood in front of unruly and ignorant tourists like this and shouted at them to stop/shut up........and the owners have thanked me for doing it.

 

And to go from bad to worse, a Chinese child had obviously wet itself whilst going around a Big C store with its parents, so they stopped by the nappy section to buy some new ones and changed him there and then, leaving the soiled one on the floor! Disgusting.

 

You say that they like to tour, so how about teaching them some manners before they do that.

 

I have never seen a more disgusting group of people than those Chinese tourists whom I have witnessed coming to Phuket.

[SteveK]

Don't forget that Thai temple where they were forced to add a whole new block of toilets especially for the Chinese visitors because they were sh**ting all over the floors and p**sing up the walls.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thai-temple-to-build-separate-toilets-for-non-chinese-visitors-after-complaints-report

Edited October 27, 2019 by SteveK

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

The immigration data is correct in terms of head count only , converting the numbers wholesale and pretending they relate to true tourist figures is plain dishonesty.

Which way would you suggest that the correct numbers (which are not "dishonest") are interpreted, then?  Do you want to be subjected to an interview from TAT staff for every visitor to the country every time they pass through Immigration, including yourself?