Australia's Uluru closes to climbers for good after decades-long fight

[Saint Nick]

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Interesting you should use that as an example. The pyramids are actually a real cultural heritage, but the Egyptians have no problem with tourists walking on them. I went and went down into the pyramid. Amazing.

On the other hand, Ayers Rock is just a big rock, and the only cultural significance is what people invent for it. It didn't bring their ancestors from another planet and they didn't build it. It just happened to be somewhere they happened to go. If they'd travelled a way off and not seen it, it wouldn't be anything now but a big rock with no cultural significance at all.

 

...ahm...it happened to be THEIR CONTINENT, before the white man took it away from them!

Just a thought!

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agreed. If they want to own it because of culture, be cultural in everything. Live off the land like their ancestors did.

If they want to use "culture" as the reason, don't take taxpayers money.

Then give back the Aboriginal people all the land, so they can do so. 

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, Saint Nick said:

...ahm...it happened to be THEIR CONTINENT, before the white man took it away from them!

Just a thought!

Under thinking, this land is my land, so realistically no land belongs to anyone as wasn't it once just one connected piece of dirt? So crank up the oldest monkey man DNA, bring them back to life, then we can let them have it all back. Same principal with China, no it is not your sea or land that you think is. 

[Chazar]

22 hours ago, rhyddid said:

White Aussie has created so much damage to Australia that the majority shall be deported back to UK and EU country where they are from, give back Australia to the real Australians the Aborigines !

Dont  blame  them blame the "Out  of Africans"  they started it  all by leaving Africa.....

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

...ahm...it happened to be THEIR CONTINENT, before the white man took it away from them!

Just a thought!

Honestly, to read that it's like Australia is the only country in the world that was conquered. EVERY country in the world was conquered by some other country at sometime, except perhaps if there weren't any people in Iceland when the Vikings arrived. Many countries were conquered several times.

It's what people used to do, and it's still going on.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

...ahm...it happened to be THEIR CONTINENT, before the white man took it away from them!

Just a thought!

Feel free to go and buy a lot of land and give it to them. I doubt many Australians would do that if it involved giving their bit of dirt away.

[farmerjo]

We can't really tar them all with the same brush.

Nobody wants to live out there so they should be welcome to it,other places to see.

What was disturbing to me was where i came from they were given a 4000 acre farm,started with 50 people working it and within 5 years nobody was left so the elder and his family sold and took the money to buy a caravan park up north. 

[TheEnforcer]

On 10/26/2019 at 8:30 PM, Orton Rd said:

Not taken from them as they never recognized land owner ship until the white man turned up. They will do nothing with it of course like they did nothing with anything for 20,000 years. Apart from fire and stick throwing they progressed only to child like painting and story telling, not a culture to bow down to or accommodate IMO. There was never a glorious aboriginal culture, and never will be.

And what's your glorious culture? Winnie Blues and VB and banging cheap hookers in Asia?

[Pattaya46]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The pyramids are actually a real cultural heritage, but the Egyptians have no problem with tourists walking on them.

I disagree. It's clearly forbidden to climb on Cairo's pyramids !

You can only walk on lowest levels giving access to the inside-visit entrance.

[Saint Nick]

1 hour ago, holy cow cm said:

Under thinking, this land is my land, so realistically no land belongs to anyone as wasn't it once just one connected piece of dirt? So crank up the oldest monkey man DNA, bring them back to life, then we can let them have it all back. Same principal with China, no it is not your sea or land that you think is. 

Yeah of course you are absolutely right!

Except...these people still exist!

So: try harder!

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

I disagree. It's clearly forbidden to climb on Cairo's pyramids !

You can only walk on lowest levels giving access to the inside-visit entrance.

OK, to be specific, its permitted to walk inside their cultural heritage. 

BTW, I never saw any signs saying we couldn't walk/ climb on the outside. As people are mainly on tours, they tend to go where the guides take them, so it wasn't an issue anyway.

[Saint Nick]

43 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Feel free to go and buy a lot of land and give it to them. I doubt many Australians would do that if it involved giving their bit of dirt away.

...and what I do or not do is relevant to this story...how?

[thaibeachlovers]

21 minutes ago, TheEnforcer said:

And what's your glorious culture? Winnie Blues and VB and banging cheap hookers in Asia?

Banging cheap hookers would only be his culture if it happened in his country.

[Saint Nick]

47 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Honestly, to read that it's like Australia is the only country in the world that was conquered. EVERY country in the world was conquered by some other country at sometime, except perhaps if there weren't any people in Iceland when the Vikings arrived. Many countries were conquered several times.

It's what people used to do, and it's still going on.

That is irrelevant!

We are not in the age of the Conquistadores anymore!

There are indigenous people in South America, Afroca, Australia, North America, who were all robbed of their land!

Is it really asked too much, to give a little bit of that land back?

...wait...don't answer!

Please!

[Olmate]

22 minutes ago, TheEnforcer said:

And what's your glorious culture? Winnie Blues and VB and banging cheap hookers in Asia?

He,s no Aussie

[Saint Nick]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

OK, to be specific, its permitted to walk inside their cultural heritage. 

BTW, I never saw any signs saying we couldn't walk/ climb on the outside. As people are mainly on tours, they tend to go where the guides take them, so it wasn't an issue anyway.

But of course, the point "the Egyptians have no problem blah blah" was used here specifically!

It is also permitted to walk near or at the foot of Ayrs Rock...so what was your point again?

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Saint Nick said:

...and what I do or not do is relevant to this story...how?

Jai yen, jai yen, it's just a discussion:-)

[holy cow cm]

12 minutes ago, Saint Nick said:

Yeah of course you are absolutely right!

Except...these people still exist!

So: try harder!

Sorry Nick. So do the Chinese but I disagree with their land grab as this is ours because once upon a time was ours. Honestly the Ayers rock is insignificant and if I could not climb it then I would rather spend other time in other parts of Australia again. I'm ok with them saying this is our mound of red dirt and they can have it. Just they need to be aware that tourism will drop and their red dirt god is not going to give them welfare stamps like the good ole government. 

[Orton Rd]

41 minutes ago, TheEnforcer said:

And what's your glorious culture? Winnie Blues and VB and banging cheap hookers in Asia?

Beethoven, Mozart, Leonardo, Tolstoy, Botticelli, Shakespeare etc, almost all modern inventions of any note- you know glorious western culture never to be surpassed. As it happens the one that invented the computer, electricity, the internet and the www.

[TheEnforcer]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Banging cheap hookers would only be his culture if it happened in his country.

 Banging cheap asian hookers is a part of old, bitter white man culture. Who are you kidding? 

[Odysseus123]

1 hour ago, Saint Nick said:

That is irrelevant!

We are not in the age of the Conquistadores anymore!

There are indigenous people in South America, Afroca, Australia, North America, who were all robbed of their land!

Is it really asked too much, to give a little bit of that land back?

...wait...don't answer!

Please!

Yes,well said.

We have known (and discussed) for decades that the trek over Uluru was going to be closed and I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.There is no controversy about it here.

 

[TheEnforcer]

6 hours ago, Olmate said:

He,s no Aussie

God, don't tell me he's a yankee doodle cowboy commenting on the apparent inadequacy of indigenous Australian culture. Even worse.

[Salerno]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It didn't bring their ancestors from another planet and they didn't build it.

55555

[emptypockets]

On 10/26/2019 at 4:22 PM, Sujo said:

Well its there land so they van decide what to do with it.

 

Personnally I would never fly for hours then drive for hours to see a rock.

You can see the rock from the local airport at Uluru- not Alice Springs. It pretty impressive to see, a true stand out monster in an otherwise flat landscape. Commercial airlines make a point of flying over it and pointing it out to passengers.

[emptypockets]

On 10/28/2019 at 2:35 PM, rhyddid said:

White Aussie has created so much damage to Australia that the majority shall be deported back to UK and EU country where they are from, give back Australia to the real Australians the Aborigines !

The current breed of Aborigines wiped out the true first inhabitants. Australia has had a population for many tens of thousands of years - but not the current Aboriginal population. They came across the land bridge from Asia relatively recently in the scale of things, bringing the native Asian dog with them that we now call the dingo. They used to claim to have been here for 40,000 years but this has blown out to 80,000 years now. Both figures are greatly exaggerated. Bones etc have been found proving human habitation for over 80,000 years but they have no correlation with the modern Aboriginal peoples. They are a different people completely. Of course this doesn't fit well with the Aboriginal industry narrative.

 

I'm not knocking the Aborigines, indeed have spent many years working in Arnhem land which is Aboriginal land, but I do get sick of the BS propagated by people with an Agenda. And that Agenda always involves money and lots of it.

 

People need to realise that the Aborigines traditionally lived in tribal groups and in Arnhem land they still do, and most tribes hate the other tribes. I have seen open warfare with spears in the main street of Nhulunbuy between the local Aborigines and those from Groote Eylandt.

There is no single Aboriginal nation except for those who live in the city, have no idea of their heritage but milk it for all its worth. 40 years ago Aborigines were black, nowadays they can have white skin and blond hair. Amazing what the thought of money can do to motivate people.

I had a girlfriend, Aboriginal mum and Scottish dad. She was Aboriginal but not Scot - why was that? $$$$$

[emptypockets]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Then give back the Aboriginal people all the land, so they can do so. 

Where are you from?

Give your land back to the original owners as I can guarantee wherever you claim to come from has been taken/colonised at some time in the past by a different cultural group.

[holy cow cm]

7 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Sorry Nick. So do the Chinese but I disagree with their land grab as this is ours because once upon a time was ours. Honestly the Ayers rock is insignificant and if I could not climb it then I would rather spend other time in other parts of Australia again. I'm ok with them saying this is our mound of red dirt and they can have it. Just they need to be aware that tourism will drop and their red dirt god is not going to give them welfare stamps like the good ole government. 

Bluespunk you and I will never agree. But I consider you a friend, 

[gearbox]

Politics aside, this place is overrated and grossly overpriced. In Australia when you get to places like this one in a typical nanny state way you are told what you are allowed to do and what not all the time. For the price of going a few days there you can climb real mountains in Nepal for a month without being lectured on safety every half an hour. There are many excellent places for solitude and adventure inland, this one is a tourist trap.

[Bluespunk]

59 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Where are you from?

Give your land back to the original owners as I can guarantee wherever you claim to come from has been taken/colonised at some time in the past by a different cultural group.

My post can only be read in the context of the prejudice ridden one it was written in response to. 

[TheEnforcer]

10 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Beethoven, Mozart, Leonardo, Tolstoy, Botticelli, Shakespeare etc, almost all modern inventions of any note- you know glorious western culture never to be surpassed. As it happens the one that invented the computer, electricity, the internet and the www.

Oh yeah, I bet you also feel you're responsible for said achievements because you were popped out of a vagina in the right country by pure chance...how skillfull of you. Or maybe because you share the same skin tone as these people who you have nothing to do with; another amazing achievement, my friend. Being born certainly takes skill! Please don't apologise for single handedly creating the modern world.

 

But seriously, where do you think western culture would be without Chinese inventions such navigation, gun powder, the compass, agriculture and printing? Probably still rubbing sticks together in a cave - colonization would certainly be harder without these inventions.