BREAKING NEWS EU grants UK a Brexit extension until 31 January 2020

[thaiguzzi]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Johnson, who became prime minister by pledging - "do or die" -

- in a ditch was'nt it?

Now where's that ditch when you need one.....

[evadgib]

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

What a happy fellow you are wishing chaos if you don't get your way. ????????

Chaos turned up the morning after 17.4M people told Cameron to get on with it.

 

With Gerard Batten currently being surplus to requirements how about BJ appointing him as UKs EU commissioner?

 

('Spanner in the works' an' all that!)

Edited October 28, 2019 by evadgib

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, evadgib said:

Chaos turned up the morning after 17.4M people told Cameron to get on with it.

Chaos started when 17.4m people voted for a pipe dream with no plan attached.

 

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You do understand the Government does not hold a majority?

They would if the remainers stopped bottling out of a general election

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Chaos started when 17.4m people voted for a pipe dream with no plan attached.

 

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

Right on,they should have listened to cameron.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

They would if the remainers stopped bottling out of a general election

The next General Election is due in 2022.

 

Do try to understand that fact.

[evadgib]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You do understand the Government does not hold a majority?

Not relevant, given the legislation clearly states that the Government should be making requests, not the also rans; furthermore article 51 of this UN treaty has clearly been breached.

Edited October 28, 2019 by evadgib

[evadgib]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Chaos started when 17.4m people voted for a pipe dream with no plan attached.

 

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

A fair number of remainers now wish to leave.

Why is it not happening in the other direction?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

A fair number of remainers now wish to leave.

Why is it not happening in the other direction?

Or so you tell us.

 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

What ALL the people ought to understand - and accept, it's what's best for Britain that's paramount. And parliament has decided that would take priority. Current consensus is that johnson's brexit deal falls short, albeit there is a ground swell in parliament, as has been shown, who would continue to honour the referendum vote, despite this.

 

Now the extension has been obtained, brace yourself for an election, which regrettably would focus more on brexit e.g. like this forum, than more critical domestic matters, e.g. like getting on with the actualities of life. 

 

 

 

You mean Bojo's Brino "deal" falls short of the remainer's dream of staying in the EU (by about 50%)?

 

Election? Labour will need to brace the most and with head between knees, preparing for the long kiss goodnight. 

 

Right now there are no more critical issues than Brexit.

Edited October 28, 2019 by nauseus

[JAG]

2 hours ago, Victornoir said:

Riding on her past glory, the old diva was threatening to go out, announcing her next come back for a new great show.

She still did not know it would be a burlesque parody.

Now she hesitate...

Is that one of those cryptic coded messages, like the ones the BBC used to broadcast to the resistance during the war?

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Not relevant, given the legislation clearly states that the Government should be making requests, not the also rans; furthermore article 51 of this UN treaty has clearly been breached.

You seem to have forgotten how Parliament works.

 

Good luck with you Article 51.

[nauseus]

42 minutes ago, steve73 said:

This is worrying - if true...

 

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2019/10/28/revealed-the-hidden-bomb-in-the-eus-extension-offer/

Probably is. The EU always have to impose conditions - just like our own rubbish parliament who will now gulp and panic as usual. Hotel <deleted> CalifornIAY.  

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You mean Bojo's Brino "deal" falls short of the remainer's dream of staying in the EU (by about 50%).

 

Election? Labour will need to brace the most and with head between knees, preparing for the long kiss goodnight. 

 

Right now there are no more critical issues than Brexit.

I would have thought that by now you would be a little more reticent with your predictions of the future.

 

 

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The next General Election is due in 2022.

 

Do try to understand that fact.

The next General Election is way overdue. 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, JAG said:

Is that one of those cryptic coded messages, like the ones the BBC used to broadcast to the resistance during the war?

Haw Haw Haw.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I would have thought that by now you would be a little more reticent with your predictions of the future.

 

 

I must ask you to explain this particular comment?

[evadgib]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You seem to have forgotten how Parliament works.

 

Good luck with you Article 51.

The Mogg was on his feet an hour ago stating that the people are sovereign. Has he forgotten too? 

[cleopatra2]

27 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Not relevant, given the legislation clearly states that the Government should be making requests, not the also rans; furthermore article 51 of this UN treaty has clearly been breached.

I think you are talking rubbish with Art 51 of UN treaty.

Which legislation are you reffering to ?.

Under the UK constition the government has powera to conduct and enter into treaties at international level. However these powers dissapear once Parliament occupies the field. Thus the so called Benn Act.

[evadgib]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I must ask you to explain this particular comment?

You're in for a long wait.

[evadgib]

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Edited October 28, 2019 by evadgib

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Current consensus is that johnson's brexit deal falls short

No. It passed with 329 ayes to 299 noes. His subsequent expedited timetable was narrowly rejected.

[elliss]

2 hours ago, shy coconut said:

Part of his marketable strategy is to look like he's woken up in one.

 

      When he learns to comb his hair , maybe then, he has woken up ..

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by elliss

[Rookiescot]

10 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The Mogg was on his feet an hour ago stating that the people are sovereign. Has he forgotten too? 

It would seem so. Only in Scotland are the people sovereign. In England and Wales its parliament which is sovereign.

To my utter shame I am not sure about Northern Ireland but I suspect its the same as England and Wales.

[CNXexpat]

"I didn't think about the business side" - every Brexit voter

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by CNXexpat

[CNXexpat]

World: Electing Trump is the stupidest thing we’ve ever seen.

Britain: Hold my beer!

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

The reality is that whatever deal is constructed, it's going to be a lousy deal, and would be rejected by various segments of parliament. A no-deal is just as bad, as it could never be a clean break from the EU, primarily because the UK government would still have to negotiate on all the outstanding and unresolved issues.

 

So honoring the leavers continued mantra, 'democratic will of the people' is totally immaterial and inconsequential to the actuality.

 

That's why a transition period is required - and that could take several years to complete.  

This 'deal' isn't the final word. It's just the basic framework agreement that allows the UK to leave. The details still have to be ironed out in the transition period that is already agreed by both the UK and EU to be part and parcel of leaving the EU. There can never, ever be the prefect deal with all factions onboard and we've had almost 3 years of parliamentary obfuscation already. What there hasn't been so far is any willingness to compromise in Westminster and that mainly because both the Tories and Labour, through decades of existential angst, desperate coalitions and weak leadership, have far, far too much to lose if they end up getting it totally and horribly wrong. Either could end up in the political wilderness like the Lib Dems. They must be doing something very wrong if the Lib Dems suddenly have a discernible following and see themselves as a viable alternative despite their revoke article 50 and people's vote nonsense. Oh yes, and the SNP shouting ever louder, "Freedommmmmmm!!!!!"

 

Whether we leave with a sweet deal, a bad deal or no deal, there was always going to be hard and complex negotiations. The hard Brexit would mean starting from scratch with a long transition whereas a good deal, soft Brexit or bad deal would mean there was already a framework and points of reference to work from or build on and a shorter transition. But the hard work of Brexit hasn't even bloody started yet.

 

There was always going to be a period of detailed negotiations, a transition period if you must but the Remainers keep painting these successive bad deals as being 'it'. No more negotiations, a door slams shut and thus indiscernible from a hard Brexit. It's simply their panic-stricken campaign of disinformation and perpetual failure to accommodate the fact that 52 is and always will be bigger than 48 running riot.

Edited October 28, 2019 by NanLaew

[kingdong]

52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The next General Election is due in 2022.

 

Do try to understand that fact.

We know but if the remainers agreed we could have one in December but that,'ll never happen because they realise they,'re on a hiding to nothing,do you really think people will vote for corbyn?

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

We know but if the remainers agreed we could have one in December but that,'ll never happen because they realise they,'re on a hiding to nothing,do you really think people will vote for corbyn?

They won't have the opportunity to. The election will be in Spring and Corbyn will be gone by then.

[elliss]

8 minutes ago, kingdong said:

?We know but if the remainers agreed we could have one in December but that,'ll never happen because they realise they,'re on a hiding to nothing,do you really think people will vote for corbyn?

 

        What is the alternative option,    Boris ?,  No way ..

 

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by elliss