Non O visa end of validity

[Lolothai]

Hi,

 

I have a non-immigrant O visa based on marriage that will end on 12 November, however I got a stamp that say I'm admitted until 11 January 2020.

When do I have to leave to get a new visa?

Also there is only 2 pages left on my passport, is it enough for a new visa?

[ubonjoe]

You will not need to apply for a new visa until January.

You could get a 60 day extension to visit your wife that would delay it until March.

I suggest you get a new passport. If going to Laos for the visa it would require 1 page for the visa on arrival and then another one for the non-o visa.

[asiaexpat]

Better get a new passport before January. You have been grant permission to stay in Thailand until 11 January and the visa was used on entry. You can extend your stay for one year based on marriage to a Thai at your local Immigration Office. Requirements can be found on TV.

[Lolothai]

3 minutes ago, asiaexpat said:

Better get a new passport before January. You have been grant permission to stay in Thailand until 11 January and the visa was used on entry. You can extend your stay for one year based on marriage to a Thai at your local Immigration Office. Requirements can be found on TV.

but for this I would need 400 000 in bank?

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, Lolothai said:

but for this I would need 400 000 in bank?

Yes 

Or proof of 40k baht income.

[Lolothai]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You will not need to apply for a new visa until January.

You could get a 60 day extension to visit your wife that would delay it until March.

I suggest you get a new passport. If going to Laos for the visa it would require 1 page for the visa on arrival and then another one for the non-o visa.

So with 2 pages I would be ok. For safety I will renew it now, is there any problem getting a new passport with no stamps? do I have to keep both passport?

[kelboy]

2 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

but for this I would need 400 000 in bank?

No it costs 1900tb.go back and read the topic on this.

[overherebc]

8 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

So with 2 pages I would be ok. For safety I will renew it now, is there any problem getting a new passport with no stamps? do I have to keep both passport?

Carry both passports. If you extend at Imm' for 60 days they will most likely stamp it in your new passport with the details of your original Non 0.

When you get the new passport you should get/ask for a letter to say passport xxxx issued to replace passport xxxx which is full. They will cut the corner off the old one but Imm' will stamp in the new one. 

For the 60 day you need your wife to go with you. Originals of her ID, house book, mar' cert, plus copies of all. Your PP obviously and copy of detail page, original 0 and last 90 day stamp and 1900 baht plus form they supply. with photo att'.

[ubonjoe]

19 minutes ago, kelboy said:

No it costs 1900tb.go back and read the topic on this.

That is the fee for the extension of stay application.

To meet the requirements to do the application you need 400k baht in Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.

[Lolothai]

18 minutes ago, kelboy said:

No it costs 1900tb.go back and read the topic on this.

We are talking about renewing visa at the local immigration.

[William Osborne]

32 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

 

You could get a 60 day extension to visit your wife that would delay it until March.

 

Hi Ubonjoe,

 

Do you know how many times you can get the 60 day extension on the non o ?.....i was under the impression you could only get one extension per visa but read some thread recently where someone did it every 90 days ?...ie enter country, stamped 90 days, get 60 day extension, leave country after 150 days , repeat ..

Cheers

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, William Osborne said:

 

Do you know how many times you can get the 60 day extension on the non o ?...

There is no limit other than one per entry to the country.

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

We are talking about renewing visa at the local immigration.

60 day 'to visit your wife' 1900 baht.

One year extension of stay based on being married needs income 40,000/month or 400,000 baht seasoned for two months the first time and three months seasoned for subsequent one year extensions.

PS. None of them are actually visas, they are extensions of stay. Lots of differences.

[overherebc]

4 minutes ago, William Osborne said:

Hi Ubonjoe,

 

Do you know how many times you can get the 60 day extension on the non o ?.....i was under the impression you could only get one extension per visa but read some thread recently where someone did it every 90 days ?...ie enter country, stamped 90 days, get 60 day extension, leave country after 150 days , repeat ..

Cheers

Do it all the time depending on our travel plans.

[steve187]

33 minutes ago, kelboy said:

No it costs 1900tb.go back and read the topic on this.

i suggest you go and re-read, for a yearly extension for being married, 400,00 in bank or a 40,00 monthly income would be required

[Lolothai]

26 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Carry both passports. If you extend at Imm' for 60 days they will most likely stamp it in your new passport with the details of your original Non 0.

When you get the new passport you should get/ask for a letter to say passport xxxx issued to replace passport xxxx which is full. They will cut the corner off the old one but Imm' will stamp in the new one. 

For the 60 day you need your wife to go with you. Originals of her ID, house book, mar' cert, plus copies of all. Your PP obviously and copy of detail page, original 0 and last 90 day stamp and 1900 baht plus form they supply. with photo att'.

Thanks, we did it few times already, 90 days extension of stays out of the country then 60 days more at the local immigration.

[Lolothai]

sorry I get a bit confused with the terms.

There is the visa, then extension of stay of the visa, confused with the visa itself, those extensions are of 1 years.

Then the stamps 60 days or 90 days, permit to stay or extension of stay as well?

Are we talking about the same thing when saying permit to stay and extension of stay?

[overherebc]

27 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

sorry I get a bit confused with the terms.

There is the visa, then extension of stay of the visa, confused with the visa itself, those extensions are of 1 years.

Then the stamps 60 days or 90 days, permit to stay or extension of stay as well?

Are we talking about the same thing when saying permit to stay and extension of stay?

The easiest way to look at it I think. ????

Go to an embassy/consulate and they put a big sticker in your passport = visa/single or multi entry.

Arrive at the airport etc you get a stamp = Permiited to stay for xx days.

Go to Imm and get 60 days = extension of permitted to stay for xx days.

So if you get 90 days on your multi just before it expires then you're on permitted to stay. The 60 days is an extension of stay/extension of permitted to stay on your last 90.

PS.

Your original visa is dead gone finished on it's enter by date. It hasn't been extended. You have moved condition to permitted stay plus extension of that 'permitted'.

 

 

But, ???????????????? stay awake, things can and do change.

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[Lolothai]

4 minutes ago, overherebc said:

The easiest way to look at it I think. ????

Go to an embassy/consulate and they put a big sticker in your passport = visa/single or multi entry.

Arrive at the airport etc you get a stamp = Permiited to stay for xx days.

Go to Imm and get 60 days = extension of permitted to stay for xx days.

That's nice.

Then there is the 1 year visa extension, with the 90 days reports. So the stamps from the 90 days reports are not called permit to stay?

 

[ubonjoe]

29 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

sorry I get a bit confused with the terms.

There is the visa, then extension of stay of the visa, confused with the visa itself, those extensions are of 1 years.

Then the stamps 60 days or 90 days, permit to stay or extension of stay as well?

Are we talking about the same thing when saying permit to stay and extension of stay?

The visa is issued by a embassy or consulate.

The visa allows a 90 day permit to stay when you enter the country. You can then extend that permit to stay for 60 days or 1 year at a immigration office.

[Lolothai]

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The visa is issued by a embassy or consulate.

The visa allows a 90 day permit to stay when you enter the country. You can then extend that permit to stay for 60 days or 1 year at a immigration office.

and if you extend for 1 year you still need to report every 90 days.

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, Lolothai said:

and if you extend for 1 year you still need to report every 90 days.

You do a report of staying longer than 90 days in the country to immigration.

They can be done in person, online or by mail. You can also have somebody do them for you.

[FarFlungFalang]

Anybody know how much the 60 day extension to visit wife is?

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Anybody know how much the 60 day extension to visit wife is?

It is the same 1900 baht fee as all other extension applications.

[Lolothai]

21 minutes ago, overherebc said:

The easiest way to look at it I think. ????

Go to an embassy/consulate and they put a big sticker in your passport = visa/single or multi entry.

Arrive at the airport etc you get a stamp = Permiited to stay for xx days.

Go to Imm and get 60 days = extension of permitted to stay for xx days.

So if you get 90 days on your multi just before it expires then you're on permitted to stay. The 60 days is an extension of stay/extension of permitted to stay on your last 90.

PS.

Your original visa is dead gone finished on it's enter by date. It hasn't been extended. You have moved condition to permitted stay plus extension of that 'permitted'.

 

 

But, ???????????????? stay awake, things can and do change.

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Your original visa is dead gone finished on it's enter by date. It hasn't been extended. You have moved condition to permitted stay plus extension of that 'permitted'.

 

So why there is a valid until "date" on your visa? is it the validity if you stay in another country and move later on? I mean if for example you are getting a one year visa but for some reasons you are moving to Thailand only few month later.

 

Then everything would make sense, that's probably why I'm always confused.

[overherebc]

12 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

That's nice.

Then there is the 1 year visa extension, with the 90 days reports. So the stamps from the 90 days reports are not called permit to stay?

 

No real visa extensions. With an O-A each entry gets you one year permitted to stay including the last day so you get two years out of it.

90 day reports are only to report you have been in Thailand for more rhan 90 consecutive days. With a multi entry one year visa, as you know you out/in every 90 days and don't do 90 day reports at your local Imm' office. You could say you are 'sort of' doing it with the TM6 at the entry point on the way in.

[overherebc]

14 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

Your original visa is dead gone finished on it's enter by date. It hasn't been extended. You have moved condition to permitted stay plus extension of that 'permitted'.

 

So why there is a valid until "date" on your visa? is it the validity if you stay in another country and move later on? I mean if for example you are getting a one year visa but for some reasons you are moving to Thailand only few month later.

 

Then everything would make sense, that's probably why I'm always confused.

You could get your one year multi on Jan 1st 2019 and not use it until 16th Dec-ish and you would get 90 day permission to stay and if required 60 to visit your wife but that's it. Your visa is finished, gone.Some Imm' will stamp USED on it in big red letters.

Image of an old single entry form Penang although Imm' used blue ink.

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

So why there is a valid until "date" on your visa? is it the validity if you stay in another country and move later on? I mean if for example you are getting a one year visa but for some reasons you are moving to Thailand only few month later.

The valid until date is only the last day you can use it for entry.

If it is a multiple entry visa you can do as many entries to country to get a new 90 day permit to stay you want to up to that day.

Once in the country your visas validity means nothing.

[Lolothai]

22 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The valid until date is only the last day you can use it for entry.

If it is a multiple entry visa you can do as many entries to country to get a new 90 day permit to stay you want to up to that day.

Once in the country your visas validity means nothing.

it still does mean something for the multiple entries, as you can get permit to stay up to this date.

So that's best to get the last 90 days permit to stay as near as possible from the end of visa validity.

After this 90 days permit to stay it's still possible to get 60 days permit to visit your wife despite the fact that the end of validity is long gone?

Ps: I think overherebc already answered

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, Lolothai said:

After this 90 days permit to stay it's still possible to get 60 days permit to visit your wife despite the fact that the end of validity is long gone?

That is why I wrote that after you enter the country using your visa its validity means nothing.

You can still apply for a extension of stay after the visa expires.