Britain to become "second rate" in the world after Brexit - EU's Tusk

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Its been a second rate dump for years. Whole towns and cities such as Telford,  Luton, Bradford are swamped by m****ms. The country is full of jobsworths, touts, bullies rules, regulations,  laws   and PC gone mad. Multiculturalism and Diversity are killing of Britain's distinctive culture. The cops inept and corrupt.  The politicians dreadful. The schools and universities social engineering factories. The NHS is failing as is social care. Gang warfare, criminality, and extreme violence are rising. The continued war on drugs has led to a massive growth in Narco mafias and has led to mistrust of the legal system. The streets are not safe for kids around 4pm and at night older people dont go out anymore.  Many cities have large areas that are no go zones and in such places,  like Telford over 1400 children were groomed,  raped and sold by local gangs for two decades a crime ignored by the police a very common phenomenon in many other cities. The awful nature of modern UK has not been prevented by EU membership. On the contrary EU membership has led to this sorry state of affairs. A second rate, third world Britain.

Can you please expand further as to how all of the above has come about as a result of the UK being in the EU?

[ukrules]

Tusk is out of a job in 16 days, I wouldn't pay any attention to anything he has to say at this stage.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Sure, I agree. Many of them are not the sharpest knifes in their respective boxes. However, they are storng and can not be underestimated as a combined block of force at international level. For exemple. Nobody denies the power of the United States, even as it´s run by a realestate clown mogul that hasn´t a clue about what he is doing.

Well at least that clown has been elected. 

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well at least that clown has been elected. 

That makes it all the more frightening.

[bannork]

1 hour ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Its been a second rate dump for years. Whole towns and cities such as Telford,  Luton, Bradford are swamped by m****ms. The country is full of jobsworths, touts, bullies rules, regulations,  laws   and PC gone mad. Multiculturalism and Diversity are killing of Britain's distinctive culture. The cops inept and corrupt.  The politicians dreadful. The schools and universities social engineering factories. The NHS is failing as is social care. Gang warfare, criminality, and extreme violence are rising. The continued war on drugs has led to a massive growth in Narco mafias and has led to mistrust of the legal system. The streets are not safe for kids around 4pm and at night older people dont go out anymore.  Many cities have large areas that are no go zones and in such places,  like Telford over 1400 children were groomed,  raped and sold by local gangs for two decades a crime ignored by the police a very common phenomenon in many other cities. The awful nature of modern UK has not been prevented by EU membership. On the contrary EU membership has led to this sorry state of affairs. A second rate, third world Britain.

And where are these Muslims from? Bosnia? I don't think so.

Is the Uk being forced to adopt Albanian dance moves or Greek cooking?

Who controls these gangs grooming children? There are plenty of Romanian beggar gangs but your target is further east I believe, in West Asia.

Nothing to do with the EU for fick's sake!

 

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

That makes it all the more frightening.

Not the point. He can also be removed and they're having a go at that now. But Tusk? 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Victornoir said:

Tusk really thinks that the UK is headed for a strong recession and he says it loud and clear before retiring.

He knows that the main victims are the naive popular classes who believed in the demagogic promises.
I think exactly like him but I'm not an expert...

Imho, the big companies that constitute the economic lung will gradually settle elsewhere. None will invest for future, It has already begun.

Even in terms of sovereignty the UK will lose. Featherweight internationally, depending on the goodwill of neighbors for any movement and USA vassal powerless for its trade.

Then, poor people will curse Farage and Johnson but it will be too late.

And the all while there will be no economic problems in the wonderful EU? We will see.

[bannork]

1 minute ago, Victornoir said:

Tusk really thinks that the UK is headed for a strong recession and he says it loud and clear before retiring.

He knows that the main victims are the naive popular classes who believed in the demagogic promises.
I think exactly like him but I'm not an expert...

Imho, the big companies that constitute the economic lung will gradually settle elsewhere. None will invest for future, It has already begun.

Even in terms of sovereignty the UK will lose. Featherweight internationally, depending on the goodwill of neighbors for any movement and USA vassal powerless for its trade.

Then, poor people will curse Farage and Johnson but it will be too late.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/elon-musk-tesla-in-brexit-britain-1-6373482

[Jane Dough]

10 hours ago, ROGER DUNN said:

Tusk is Only Worried about the Extra Money the Other Poor Suckers will have to find for their Elaborate Lifestyle that the EU Loonies Enjoy (At the Moment) .

Don't forget to update your subscription to the Daily Mail. 

 

Rooster

[elliss]

11 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Tusks were declared illegal years ago. This guy should join the import ban list.

 

 Links.

 

 

[Jip99]

8 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Problems are inevitable when you have to reconcile the opinions and interests of 27 nations.

But unity is strength. 

On the contrary, the choice of isolation by nostalgia of glorious past  is, in my opinion, suicidal.

 

Fortunately, your opinion is non-fatal and pointless.

 

Independence has nothing to do with a glorious past.....more about a secure future.

 

Cheerio.

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

Independence has nothing to do with a glorious past.....more about a secure future.

 

Definitely. Saor Alba!

[Jip99]

3 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

While your own opinion is fundamental...

Nice example of blind arrogance.

Just responding to the cr4p you posted.

 

I don’t claim the higher ground, I just reject your opinion.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

But you cannot hold a position of simply denying what is going to happen. If you voted Brexit then you guys need to accept responsibility for what happens because of Brexit. 

I didn't vote at all, don't believe in voting as they never have candidates I feel worthy of representing me.

Me last vote was for Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party.

As for Brexit, remaining would suit me as I want to buy a house in France, and remaining gives me the right to live in it with my family.

 

I deny all responsibility for everything that happens in the world since nobody ever consults me, and if they did they wouldn't like the suggestions I gave. 

[Tchooptip]

10 hours ago, kingdong said:

Seems the economic migrants who trek three thousand miles across Europe to seek asylum in the uk would beg  to differ with you.

 Those migrants not welcome by most UK citizen?

[Denim]

"One of my English friends is probably right when he says with melancholy that Brexit is the real end of the British Empire."

 

Bloody hell. For donkeys years the politically correct have tried to disparage the British Empire.

 

Tusk must have been taking the tradesmans entrance to one of his

' English friends ' and misconstrued the meaning of his buddy's utterance.

[nauseus]

47 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Problems are inevitable when you have to reconcile the opinions and interests of 27 nations.

But unity is strength. 

On the contrary, the choice of isolation by nostalgia of glorious past  is, in my opinion, suicidal.

The economic problems coming to the EU will not be reconciled without calamity. You think there is unity? No, the EU is more like a flock of poor sheep following a wolf.  

[beautifulthailand99]

All these old farts slumped over a keyboard furiously tapping away whilst seemingly unaware of the iceberg around them melting away. Oh dear just seen my reflection in the screen. ????????

 

Buy baht on the Boris bounce (if that happens) before the world wakes up and notices '2 world wars one world cup' isn't winning anything anymore.

[beautifulthailand99]

44 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I didn't vote at all, don't believe in voting as they never have candidates I feel worthy of representing me.

Me last vote was for Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party.

As for Brexit, remaining would suit me as I want to buy a house in France, and remaining gives me the right to live in it with my family.

 

I deny all responsibility for everything that happens in the world since nobody ever consults me, and if they did they wouldn't like the suggestions I gave. 

Blimey that is pretty niche though I was a fan of Arthur back in the day. He's 81 now and never a scab and would never vote Tory. 

 

17.01.2019 – Arthur Scargill’s statement on Jeremy Corbyn’s betrayal of Brexit

“Jeremy Corbyn’s statement that any discussions with the government will only take place provided that ‘no deal’ is taken off the table is not only deplorable but an act of betrayal of both socialist principle and a betrayal of the democratic vote of the British people and the 60 per cent of Labour constituencies who voted to leave the European Union including its corrupt Customs Union, it’s rigged Single Market and it’s unacceptable Free Movement of workers and Capital. His appalling abandonment of his previous position would have been condemned by the late Tony Benn; Michael Foot and is condemned by me who for over 40 years regarded him as a comrade and friend. No More.” (Arthur Scargill)

 

https://www.inclusivedemocracy.org/journal/vol14/vol14_no1_Arthur Scargill-Takis-Fotopoulos.html

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Blimey that is pretty niche though I was a fan of Arthur back in the day. He's 81 now and never a scab and would never vote Tory. 

 

17.01.2019 – Arthur Scargill’s statement on Jeremy Corbyn’s betrayal of Brexit

“Jeremy Corbyn’s statement that any discussions with the government will only take place provided that ‘no deal’ is taken off the table is not only deplorable but an act of betrayal of both socialist principle and a betrayal of the democratic vote of the British people and the 60 per cent of Labour constituencies who voted to leave the European Union including its corrupt Customs Union, it’s rigged Single Market and it’s unacceptable Free Movement of workers and Capital. His appalling abandonment of his previous position would have been condemned by the late Tony Benn; Michael Foot and is condemned by me who for over 40 years regarded him as a comrade and friend. No More.” (Arthur Scargill)

 

https://www.inclusivedemocracy.org/journal/vol14/vol14_no1_Arthur Scargill-Takis-Fotopoulos.html

Good find, Arthur was always the top man (and Red Ken).

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Good find, Arthur was always the top man (and Red Ken).

Well we will never agree on Brexit but I collected for and stood on miner's pickets lines as a trot way back then and was a great fan of Red Ken and the GLC. Here he is with John McDonell. 

 

[RideJocky]

53 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The economic problems coming to the EU will not be reconciled without calamity. You think there is unity? No, the EU is more like a flock of poor sheep following a wolf.  

 

Yeah, everything’s okay until the wolf gets hungry...

[olfu]

to be or not to be Brexit?--your London already Londonistan and you worry about Brexit?

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, olfu said:

to be or not to be Brexit?--your London already Londonistan and you worry about Brexit?

London is far from similar to Pakistan/Afganistan 

[Scott]

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[Rookiescot]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

quote "2008 was almost impossible to predict because ALL the banks were up to the same scams. All were bundling bad debt and showing it as good debt on their balance sheets and borrowing money off each other on the strength of it. When one domino fell they all did." 

 

As I understand your post is that what you are saying is ALL the banks in most of the countries in the world acted together. That is something that I cannot believe, nor can I believe that with all the sophisticated equipment available, all the combined knowledge (I was going to say intelligence but that would be the wrong word) that not one of the worlds leading economists could see the problem until after it happened?

 

As for what Boris said in 2008 I will give you a quote from a Labour PM in the 1960s and it is just as valid nowadays.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_week_is_a_long_time_in_politics

 

Usually attributed to British Prime Minister Harold Wilson in the mid-1960s. Also used by (and incorrectly attributed to) Australian PM Gough Whitlam in the 1970s.

 

Nowadays I trust politicians less than I do snake oil salesmen.

All the major banks were audited yearly by the same 3 companies and these companies all gave glowing reports of how the banks were doing.

Its a ridiculous situation because if one audit company tried to give a bad report the bank would simply threaten to use another audit company. 

Hence everything was reported as being rosy and governments around the world accepted these reports at face value because no country wanted to put their head above the parapet given everyone owes the banks money.

Some guys did see it coming. I remember watching a movie in which 3 or 4 guys saw it coming and made a fortune from it. Cant remember the film but it was based on reality. I will google it later and edit this post if I find it. Well worth a watch.

 

Movie is called The big short.

[sanemax]

10 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Blimey that is pretty niche though I was a fan of Arthur back in the day. He's 81 now and never a scab and would never vote Tory. 

  

A scab ?

A person that would rather work than strike ?

And the bully boy strikers attack the people that wanted to work ?

[transam]

14 hours ago, Bangkokazy said:

For 46 years, England has been in the EU
The UK workforce does not know what it is like to be outside.
Therefore, we will see most refugees come across the English Channel
To France and ruin Europe.
Englishmen are ranked as the world's largest <deleted>

But you don't realise the UK working force of today can see the influx of EU scroungers walking their streets, taking their jobs, taking prisons places.

 

It seems you only state "Englishmen", so I will assume you have a problem with the English and not the other UK members. That raises a question mark about you..????

[transam]

14 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

OK, I am going to have to ask - what is there above first rate?

You can take it as my opinion, cos I am posh...????........????

[sanemax]

21 minutes ago, transam said:

But you don't realise the UK working force of today can see the influx of EU scroungers walking their streets, taking their jobs, taking prisons places.  

 

 

Terrible when you cant go to jail because theres some foreigner there taking your place in jail