chokrai Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Becker said: You forgot to mention that CNN and MSNBC get a "mostly factual" rating wrt factual reporting while Fox only get a "Mixed" rating. Mostly factual Good one. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mogandave Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: Through his designated agents and on false grounds, he coerced another nation into undermining the candidacy of a potentially powerful political opponent. That's what. If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chokrai Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, scorecard said: Is this a typical republic attitude that 'socialist' is evil? Yes because it is evil. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post riclag Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, mogandave said: If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? What gives you that impression! https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/ 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, riclag said: What gives you that impression! https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/ Solomon report. Lol It does not even mention that there had been an FBI investigation into Manafort since 2014. Official investigation= no conspiracy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, riclag said: What gives you that impression! https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/ I just checked it again, it's ridiculously innacurate. Example From Solomon "Aug. 20, 2014 Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin’s office opens criminal investigation of Burisma Holdings and Mykola Zlochevsky for alleged corrupt award of gas exploration permits and eventual looting of company, according to Ukrainian prosecutor general’s case file." Schokin was named general prosecutor in 2015, lol. Quote from the unbiased timeline linked below: Early February 2015 — U.S. administration conveys harsh criticism of prosecutor general office for its coverup of Zlochevsky/Burisma. ....Kent, who had long pushed Ukrainian prosecutors for investigations into Zlochevsky, “scolded” the deputy prosecutor for having “shut the criminal case” that had been the basis for a U.K. court freezing Zlochevsky’s assets, demanding, “Who took the bribe and how much was it?,” Kent asked....... Feb. 10, 2015 – Viktor Shokin takes office as Ukraine’s prosecutor general, replacing Yarema. Sept. 24, 2015 – U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt excoriates officials in the Prosecutor General’s Office for stymying anti-corruption investigations, including those involving Burisma.....Pyatt specifically called for the investigation and removal of officials who were involved in the failure to help the British authorities investigate Zlochevskiy..... Etc..... https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/ Edited November 24, 2019 by candide 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2019 Hey will they let Joe Biden use the cache of emails just found that try to justify withholding aid to Ukraine lol you just can’t make this stuff up what a bunch of bumbling clowns thease republicans are kinda like the keystone cops lol 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 hours ago, riclag said: What gives you that impression! https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/ This article is typical for John Solomon. Lots of incidents listed but no actual connections drawn. You wouldn't know from this that Victor Shokin, the fired prosecutor, actually went after other prosecutors who were investigation other prosecutors in his department after it was discovered that they had mysteriously acquired large quantities of jewels and gold. Or that he failed to prosecute any corrupt oligarchs during his tenure. Or that it was confirmed from multiple sources that he had stopped looking into Burisma over a year before he was fired. And as for Solomon himself. He confirmed Lev Parnas' statements that he met regularly with a group consisting of Giuliani, Parnas, Toensing and Digenova at the BLT restaurant in Trump's Washington hotel. He claimed he was there only as a reporter. That sounds believable. We have yet to see any reports on those meetings. Oddly reticent for a reporter. Or that he even identified these partisans as the ultimate sources or instigators of most of his stories on the Ukraine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 hours ago, riclag said: What gives you that impression! What impression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 hours ago, mogandave said: If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? If an investigation warranted, that's what the Department of Justice is for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 10 hours ago, mogandave said: If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? A full investigation or any investigation of political opponents pushed by Trump and for his personal agenda is a farce and fake as his conspiracy theories. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 A post containing a troll baiting comment has been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 12 hours ago, chokrai said: Yes because it is evil. No it's not, far from it. Are you confusing old style communism with socialism? They aren't the same thing, not at all, and in any case old style communism has gone. Would you call Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties, all of whom have some form / aspects of socialism (mainly health care) evil? In your view I guess Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties are evil. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 14 hours ago, chokrai said: Mostly factual Good one. Thank you. I think you agree since you can't come up with anything that disproves that assertion besides that lame reply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 14 hours ago, mogandave said: If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? Investigation of what, he’s done nothing wrong. Even Trump only wanted the Ukrainians to announce an investigation. There is no crime to investigate. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 8 hours ago, scorecard said: No it's not, far from it. Are you confusing old style communism with socialism? They aren't the same thing, not at all, and in any case old style communism has gone. Would you call Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties, all of whom have some form / aspects of socialism (mainly health care) evil? In your view I guess Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties are evil. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html My father despised the socialism of Denmark so much that he took his family to America in 1950's. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html My father despised the socialism of Denmark so much that he took his family to America in 1950's. And the relevance is? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mogandave Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Investigation of what, he’s done nothing wrong. Even Trump only wanted the Ukrainians to announce an investigation. There is no crime to investigate. There does not need to be an underlying crime for him to be guilty of obstruction, right? “Nothing to fear, nothing to hide” 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html My father despised the socialism of Denmark so much that he took his family to America in 1950's. Denmark ranked #3 in world Happiness Index in 2019 Denmarked ranked #4 in ease of doing business by World Bank for 2020. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Becker said: And the relevance is? Didn't realize you need to be fed info with a spoon. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, mogandave said: There does not need to be an underlying crime for him to be guilty of obstruction, right? “Nothing to fear, nothing to hide” Obstruction of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said: Didn't realize you need to be fed info with a spoon. That's a lame way of not answering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, mogandave said: There does not need to be an underlying crime for him to be guilty of obstruction, right? “Nothing to fear, nothing to hide” As the founding fathers noted, there doesn't have to be statutory criminal activity at all for a President to be impeached. The Constitution gives very wide latitude to the House to decide what is impeachable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, candide said: Obstruction of what? Justice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, bristolboy said: As the founding fathers noted, there doesn't have to be statutory criminal activity at all for a President to be impeached. The Constitution gives very wide latitude to the House to decide what is impeachable. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Denmark ranked #3 in world Happiness Index in 2019 Denmarked ranked #4 in ease of doing business by World Bank for 2020. You know, we had these discussions at home years back about how life would have been had we stayed in Denmark. Life would have been easier for my father in Denmark. I still don't believe a full blown socialist gov would work in the US. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) How about Joe Biden promises to waive Executive privilege and testify, provided all the Trump people currently claiming Executive privilege do the same? Edited November 25, 2019 by heybruce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: You know, we had these discussions at home years back about how life would have been had we stayed in Denmark. Life would have been easier for my father in Denmark. I still don't believe a full blown socialist gov would work in the US. Care to give examples of full blown socialist western countries? Is anybody suggesting the US should be a full blown socialist country? Edited November 25, 2019 by stevenl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: You know, we had these discussions at home years back about how life would have been had we stayed in Denmark. Life would have been easier for my father in Denmark. I still don't believe a full blown socialist gov would work in the US. So you concede there are degrees of socialism? Good. I assume you also agree that Social Security, Medicare, public schools etc. are also socialist. Clearly the discussion is not about all-or-nothing discussion, but the correct degree of socialism. So let's limit the socialism discussion to that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, mogandave said: Justice In which investigation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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