stevenl Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, IraqRon said: For sure, the speed boat co. won't pay, the victims won't have travel ins. or equivelant most likely, so the med. cost to be added to the amount that retired expats are said to owe. a hundred baht charge added to the tansportation tix for tourist should be in effect to cover these accidents. The speedboat company is by law required to have accident insurance. And with frequent checks, it is very, very likely that they will have that. Also if an agent is involved, they are also required to have insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 hours ago, legend49 said: They steer boats the same way they steer cars on the roads! Not only steering, long time ago I owned a boat at the boatlagoon, when you go out for over a distant of about 6 miles it was not allowed to go faster than 5/hrs. I was always passed by this kind of people with at least 3 times the permitted speed. Terrible people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraqRon Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, stevenl said: The speedboat company is by law required to have accident insurance. And with frequent checks, it is very, very likely that they will have that. Also if an agent is involved, they are also required to have insurance. Yes StevenL, I have read a little bit about this requirement, the article concerning this said that the co. if registered with the tourist authority they must carry the insurance and I hope they all do. It is the frequent checks being thorough that is concerning. I know you have experience in the industry I believe so I take your word at this. Is the ins. a full coverage or limited in payouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, webfact said: Boat collision kills one and injures ten in Phang-nga One foreign tourist died and ten others were injured in a collision between a speed boat and a yacht in the Andaman Sea off Thailand’s southern province of Phang-nga on Wednesday. One speed boat crew member, identified only as “Boy”, went missing and a search is under way by the Navy as well as marine and tourist police and volunteers from the Kusolatham foundation. Police have not disclosed the identity of the deceased victim, who was pronounced dead at the provincial hospital, but they said that the boat passengers were from India, Iran and Israel, and that the relevant embassies have been notified. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/boat-collision-kills-one-and-injures-ten-in-phang-nga/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2019-12-19 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info I don't understand this, is this another accident? In the first message is spoken about the east coast of Phuket, as far as I know the Andaman sea is at the west coast. And it is the same picture, all very confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Enoon Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Peterphuket said: I don't understand this, is this another accident? In the first message is spoken about the east coast of Phuket, as far as I know the Andaman sea is at the west coast. And it is the same picture, all very confusing. Phuket is the largest island in Thailand. It is in the Andaman Sea in southern Thailand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phuket_Province Phuket Island has a West coast and an East coast. It also has a North East orientated coast and pointy bits in the North and in the South. If there is anything else that you, "Peterphuket", need to know about Phuket, Wikipedia awaits. Edited December 19, 2019 by Enoon 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, IraqRon said: Yes StevenL, I have read a little bit about this requirement, the article concerning this said that the co. if registered with the tourist authority they must carry the insurance and I hope they all do. It is the frequent checks being thorough that is concerning. I know you have experience in the industry I believe so I take your word at this. Is the ins. a full coverage or limited in payouts? By law required minimum is 1 mio for death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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losername Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, sketcher said: Not all yachts have sails. The speedboat hit the motor yacht which in that picture is picking up the passengers from the damaged speedboat. "Not all yachts have sails" - that is certainly true although both use and size have relevance here. Google's simple definition is "a medium-sized sailboat equipped for cruising or racing". Wiki on the other hand say "Today's yachts are almost exclusively for leisure. A yacht is any sail or power vessel used for pleasure, cruising, or racing." Apparently yachts are normally over 7m but under 12m they are more normally called "cabin cruisers" or "cruisers". In this thread we do not know the length or use of the "yacht". Having seen the pictures I'll stick to the definition "gin palace". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot123 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, IraqRon said: For sure, the speed boat co. won't pay, the victims won't have travel ins. or equivelant most likely, so the med. cost to be added to the amount that retired expats are said to owe. a hundred baht charge added to the tansportation tix for tourist should be in effect to cover these accidents. I really do not understand your logic. Surely the answer is for the government to force these tour operators, taxi's in fact anyone responsible for the injury or death of a tourist to pay in full all costs of treatment and full compensation ant a basket of bird nest soup but hundreds of thousands of £ or $ etc that is the only way correct procedures, qualified people and insurance carried. Why should the tourist be left to pay and live their life with some disability that they end up suffering with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, Enoon said: Phuket is the largest island in Thailand. It is in the Andaman Sea in southern Thailand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phuket_Province Phuket Island has a West coast and an East coast. It also has a North East orientated coast and pointy bits in the North and in the South. If there is anything else that you, "Peterphuket", need to know about Phuket, Wikipedia awaits. When you reed back my message than you'll see, I was boating there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, Peterphuket said: When you reed back my message than you'll see, I was boating there. After 11 years living on Phuket, I know a little bit...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, Enoon said: Phuket is the largest island in Thailand. It is in the Andaman Sea in southern Thailand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phuket_Province Phuket Island has a West coast and an East coast. It also has a North East orientated coast and pointy bits in the North and in the South. If there is anything else that you, "Peterphuket", need to know about Phuket, Wikipedia awaits. At the east side it is called the Pang Nga bay, and not the Andaman sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sketcher Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, losername said: "Not all yachts have sails" - that is certainly true although both use and size have relevance here. Google's simple definition is "a medium-sized sailboat equipped for cruising or racing". Wiki on the other hand say "Today's yachts are almost exclusively for leisure. A yacht is any sail or power vessel used for pleasure, cruising, or racing." Apparently yachts are normally over 7m but under 12m they are more normally called "cabin cruisers" or "cruisers". In this thread we do not know the length or use of the "yacht". Having seen the pictures I'll stick to the definition "gin palace". The gin palace is 72ft!! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeGB Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The basic law of the sea is that a powered boat must give way to a sailing boat. The motor boat is 100% to blame for this accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Old Croc said: Nothing a bit of polish wouldn't fix. It's built a little more solidly than one of those plywood speed boats. Since when is that a yacht??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, JusticeGB said: The basic law of the sea is that a powered boat must give way to a sailing boat. The motor boat is 100% to blame for this accident. Both boats were powered boats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, zyphodb said: Since when is that a yacht??? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacht https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yacht I think the broader definition stems from the USA. Edited December 19, 2019 by stevenl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 hours ago, webfact said: Boat collision kills one and injures ten in Phang-nga One foreign tourist died and ten others were injured in a collision between a speed boat and a yacht in the Andaman Sea off Thailand’s southern province of Phang-nga on Wednesday. One speed boat crew member, identified only as “Boy”, went missing and a search is under way by the Navy as well as marine and tourist police and volunteers from the Kusolatham foundation. Police have not disclosed the identity of the deceased victim, who was pronounced dead at the provincial hospital, but they said that the boat passengers were from India, Iran and Israel, and that the relevant embassies have been notified. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/boat-collision-kills-one-and-injures-ten-in-phang-nga/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2019-12-19 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Well, when I used to mess about on the water, the big one would have been called a cabin crusier/gin palace, and the smaller one a motor boat neither of them either speed boats or yachts, I always thought a yacht by definition was mainly powered by sails, & a speed boat was a quite small, fast boat with big outboard engine/s... But then I'm a Brit, maybe the definition is different in American dictionaries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeGB Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, stevenl said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacht Sorry they use the term loosely in Thailand ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DannyCarlton Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, zyphodb said: Well, when I used to mess about on the water, the big one would have been called a cabin crusier/gin palace, and the smaller one a motor boat neither of them either speed boats or yachts, I always thought a yacht by definition was mainly powered by sails, & a speed boat was a quite small, fast boat with big outboard engine/s... But then I'm a Brit, maybe the definition is different in American dictionaries... The Royal Yacht Britannia is a yacht. Doesn't have sails. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, DannyCarlton said: The Royal Yacht Britannia is a yacht. Doesn't have sails. Only the Royal family think so lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketcher Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, JusticeGB said: The basic law of the sea is that a powered boat must give way to a sailing boat. The motor boat is 100% to blame for this accident. Not always and there was no sailing boat involved in this incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youlike Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, stevenl said: The speedboat company is by law required to have accident insurance. And with frequent checks, it is very, very likely that they will have that. Also if an agent is involved, they are also required to have insurance. Remember that boat on the chaopraya which sunk 3 years ago after it hit an underwater pole...it was full of passengers and insured....but the insurance company pocketed the money so the boat happened to be uninsured. This is Thailand, anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, JusticeGB said: The basic law of the sea is that a powered boat must give way to a sailing boat. The motor boat is 100% to blame for this accident. Both were motor powered. You should at least read the reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraqRon Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Scot123 said: I really do not understand your logic. Surely the answer is for the government to force these tour operators, taxi's in fact anyone responsible for the injury or death of a tourist to pay in full all costs of treatment and full compensation ant a basket of bird nest soup but hundreds of thousands of £ or $ etc that is the only way correct procedures, qualified people and insurance carried. Why should the tourist be left to pay and live their life with some disability that they end up suffering with. This is Thailand, getting someone here to accept responsibility for their actions, or lack thereof,, is very difficult. My logic is the same as any shared insurance scheme, all pay a little to cover the loss of the few, it could be anyone. Your reliance on correct procedures, etc while something to aspire towards just doesn't protect all. Even in first world america where regulation is punitive there are exceptions: the burning of the dive boat and deaths of all tourist aboard which happened in Southern California recently. I would rather pay a little out of my pocket than rely of the vendors here, or elsewhere, to be insured and trained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrobbo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Basic rule: Power gives way to sail. But I guess the brakes failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, geoffrobbo said: Basic rule: Power gives way to sail. But I guess the brakes failed Read the news report. No sail boat involved.... doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketcher Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, geoffrobbo said: Basic rule: Power gives way to sail. But I guess the brakes failed Not always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mises Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The tour boat appears to have hit the starboard side of the 'yacht' so the tour boat had right of way and it was the duty of the 'yacht' to avoid the collision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mises said: The tour boat appears to have hit the starboard side of the 'yacht' so the tour boat had right of way and it was the duty of the 'yacht' to avoid the collision. Look again. The damage was down the left side of the vessel (port). If they had been travelling in opposite directions but passed too close, neither would have been in the wrong. First rule of navigation passport. Pass on the port side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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