Ex-Olympic champion nabbed for working without a permit

[DEDE1]

Look at his history!!
 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10382802

[BigC]

On 12/30/2019 at 7:44 PM, overherebc said:

Expat electricians would not get a WP to do domestic work. Probably on big construction jobs, power station shut downs etc.

I know  electrics  and carpenter's  that have  work permits

 

They are skilled Jobs so doesn't  surprise  me

[samsensam]

On 12/28/2019 at 10:28 AM, Mick501 said:

Always thought "Olympic champion" meant they'd actually won an Olympic event.  Not that a couple of bronze are to be sneezed at.

 

indeed, 'olympic medalist' would have been accurate.

[Isaanbiker]

You may play with a bull till you get his horn in your eye.

[overherebc]

37 minutes ago, BigC said:

I know  electrics  and carpenter's  that have  work permits

 

They are skilled Jobs so doesn't  surprise  me

Carpentry bricklaying and other construction work is on the list of 'forbidden work' Work permits might be issued as managers or 'experts' to get around it.

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by overherebc

[thequietman]

On 12/28/2019 at 8:40 AM, Assurancetourix said:

No one is required to have a facebook account;
I never had one and don't want one and it doesn't stop me from living properly.

Yes, but how are we going to know what you had for breakfast, lunch and evening tea? ????

[BigC]

23 hours ago, overherebc said:

Carpentry bricklaying and other construction work is on the list of 'forbidden work' Work permits might be issued as managers or 'experts' to get around it.

 

Did they ammend the work permits a while ago?

[overherebc]

13 minutes ago, BigC said:

Did they ammend the work permits a while ago?

A couple of jobs were removed from the 'forbidden work' list.

Some changes were made to the information noted in the WP. Place of work??????, I honestly haven't seen the new style.

[BigC]

On 1/5/2020 at 9:09 AM, overherebc said:

A couple of jobs were removed from the 'forbidden work' list.

Some changes were made to the information noted in the WP. Place of work??????, I honestly haven't seen the new style.

What most have failed to notice so far is that the new law is also very good news for foreigners who are still required to obtain a work permit.

Previously, foreigners who needed to obtain a work permit in order to work were prohibited from doing any work, for any employer, anywhere, and under any such conditions if such were not detailed and, therefore, permitted in the work permit itself.

That is no longer the case.

Until last year Thailand regulated foreign work permissions under the Alien Workers Act (2008) (the “Act”). In 2017 the Emergency Decree on Non-Thais’ Working Management Emergency Decree, (2017) (“Decree No. 1”) repealed the Alien Workers Act (2008). Decree No. 1, however, incorporated much of the repealed Act’s provisions and kept in force most of the regulations issued under it. Then, on 27 March 2018, the Emergency Decree on Non-Thais’ Working Management (No.2) (2018) (“Decree No. 2”) was issued. Decree No. 2 amended Decree No. 1.

Section 70 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “a person who is granted permission for working may not carry out the work of the type, with the employer, in a locality or on any working condition that is different from that specified in their work permit unless permission under section 71 is obtained.”

Section 71 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “a person who is granted permission for working, and who intends to change or add the following particulars, must obtain permission from the Registrar: (1) type of work (2) employer (3) location or (4) working conditions.

Section 72 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “no person shall take into employment a foreigner who does not have a work permit with him (i.e. the employer).“

And Section 73 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “no person may allow a foreigner to work in a manner different from the requirements specified in the work permit.”

However, and very significantly, Section 37 of Decree No. 2 repealed Sections 70, 71, 72 and 73 of Decree No. 1. Furthermore, Section 28 of Decree No. 2 provides that a work permit holder may engage in any work that is not specifically prohibited to all foreigners on the “Official List” of work prohibited to foreigners. The Official List outlines, the limited number of activities for which a foreigner cannot obtain work permission for in any case. (The current Official List is the same as was last issued under the Act. However, the Official List is being revised and we detail such in part three of this series once the revision is complete.)

As a consequence, any foreigner who has a work permit in Thailand may now, work anywhere, for anyone, and do any type work, that is not excluded by the Official List.

This is a very significant and welcome change to the Thai foreign labor law regime. It is obviously good news for work permit holders in Thailand. And Thailand will also benefit from having made its labor market more attractive to the best foreign labor talent it needs to compete for in the ever increase globalized economy.

[MJKT2014]

35 minutes ago, BigC said:

What most have failed to notice so far

Is that perhaps because, welcome as the new law you refer to maybe, it has little to do with this story thread, ie. that of an Olympian being banged up in filthy cells due to overhanded tactics of the IOs. Okay he broke the rules, maybe knowingly, but I cannot see this treatment better meted out to hardened criminals is doing Thailand any favors on the international circuit?

[overherebc]

38 minutes ago, BigC said:

What most have failed to notice so far is that the new law is also very good news for foreigners who are still required to obtain a work permit.

Previously, foreigners who needed to obtain a work permit in order to work were prohibited from doing any work, for any employer, anywhere, and under any such conditions if such were not detailed and, therefore, permitted in the work permit itself.

That is no longer the case.

Until last year Thailand regulated foreign work permissions under the Alien Workers Act (2008) (the “Act”). In 2017 the Emergency Decree on Non-Thais’ Working Management Emergency Decree, (2017) (“Decree No. 1”) repealed the Alien Workers Act (2008). Decree No. 1, however, incorporated much of the repealed Act’s provisions and kept in force most of the regulations issued under it. Then, on 27 March 2018, the Emergency Decree on Non-Thais’ Working Management (No.2) (2018) (“Decree No. 2”) was issued. Decree No. 2 amended Decree No. 1.

Section 70 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “a person who is granted permission for working may not carry out the work of the type, with the employer, in a locality or on any working condition that is different from that specified in their work permit unless permission under section 71 is obtained.”

Section 71 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “a person who is granted permission for working, and who intends to change or add the following particulars, must obtain permission from the Registrar: (1) type of work (2) employer (3) location or (4) working conditions.

Section 72 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “no person shall take into employment a foreigner who does not have a work permit with him (i.e. the employer).“

And Section 73 of Decree No. 1 (and the Act) provided that “no person may allow a foreigner to work in a manner different from the requirements specified in the work permit.”

However, and very significantly, Section 37 of Decree No. 2 repealed Sections 70, 71, 72 and 73 of Decree No. 1. Furthermore, Section 28 of Decree No. 2 provides that a work permit holder may engage in any work that is not specifically prohibited to all foreigners on the “Official List” of work prohibited to foreigners. The Official List outlines, the limited number of activities for which a foreigner cannot obtain work permission for in any case. (The current Official List is the same as was last issued under the Act. However, the Official List is being revised and we detail such in part three of this series once the revision is complete.)

As a consequence, any foreigner who has a work permit in Thailand may now, work anywhere, for anyone, and do any type work, that is not excluded by the Official List.

This is a very significant and welcome change to the Thai foreign labor law regime. It is obviously good news for work permit holders in Thailand. And Thailand will also benefit from having made its labor market more attractive to the best foreign labor talent it needs to compete for in the ever increase globalized economy.

Where all that fell down was related to the fact that anyone having an extension of stay based on working will lose that extension when they leave that employer. No extension means WP is no longer valid unless it's based on marraige ( Non O ).

The whole thing is based on one employer having a mobile workforce that is easy to move to another province where he has a work base so doesn't need to cancel and re-new extensions/WP's, just registers them in the new province.

All to do with workers for neighbouring countries being easy to move.