Why are more & more expats leaving Thailand?

[oldhippy]

11 minutes ago, tabarin said:

It is insane isn't it? You would think they became at least smart enough to lower their prices, as nobody is taking them. Many are fat as well.
I wouldn't take them if they paid me, well.... maybe if I am drunk enough for 3K just quickly. 

For less than 2K you can get some very very pretty Bulgarian girls in Varna (beach town) too.
But seems they try to get the 3K once a month aside of a minimum bar salary (if any) and the few drinks they still collect. Lazy and easy money.

You may have a point.

But did you concider that the average age of the customers has increased, so that servicing them has become more repulsive?

[Bjrda77]

39 minutes ago, amykat said:

Well you have to read between the lines.  Thai tour operators are sometimes responsible for killing tourists.  Or there are possibly other situations where a foreigner dies here as a result of a crime or traffic, and Thailand picks up the cost because they are insured, or due money from a victim fund, or the government is embarrassed or something.  This is not happening when an old expat dies here and has no money and the family, he does not have, according to you, wants his body back??  So Thailand to be nice, just pays for that.

I believe there're many responsible retirees and older expats in Thailand and we happy to have them here. There'll be no problem for those who follow the rules and laws. 

 

On the other hand there're those arrogant people and commies who think they're entitled to everything without needing to contribute to anything and complain on everything. They should have done a research and known the fact that Thailand is a developing country. And if they can't take these facts why would they want to visit or live here in the first place.

I've been to many countries and I never expect them to speak my language. But I've made an effort to speak 5 languages and understand about 7 languages and see it as an advantage. 

Edited January 1, 2020 by Bjrda77

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, RyanWalker said:

Actually I agree with you mate. I spend a sh*tload of money at supermarkets on food. Now some people would say yeah but I biy expensive stuff or I don't need it.. So then what's the point of living in Thailand anyway? The UK is cheaper than Thailand. Oh and the visa cost. If I imagine what I could have done with 40 visa runs money.. ????

Every year my bag gets heavier with western food.mates in pattay a ask me to get.

Edited January 1, 2020 by kingdong

[metempsychotic]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt it's visas alone, though they may say it is. I left as I couldn't afford insurance, but extensions were not a problem once I started using an agent.

However, it's true that LOS is no longer sanuk. Also, the BGs are too expensive now.

Damn them for raising the price of cheap sex.

[elliss]

5 hours ago, RyanWalker said:

Yeah mate, not what it was before. I am stunned to see how cheap China is if I compare it to Thailand. It's very much different.

 

            China , No bar fines ,  you can meet girls , go shopping ...

[elliss]

12 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

You may have a point.

But did you concider that the average age of the customers has increased, so that servicing them has become more repulsive?

 

 Speak for  yourself Matey ....

[metempsychotic]

40 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

To be precise: I was a European hippy...... and no surfing in Europe.

Yes there is.

[CNXexpat]

I am living in Thailand for 4 years on a spouse visa and no visa related thing has changed for me. But for people with a retirement visa has changed a lot - they have to have 800k Baht for 6 months and are not allowed to go below 400k Baht. If it´s a farang couple, it´s a lot of money to have for a long time on the bank account. Restaurant and my favorite massage shop owner told me that some of these couples have left.

 

If I wouldn´t be married with a Thai woman, I think I wouldn´t live in Thailand.

 

Does a statistic exists if more foreigners relocate to Thailand or more are leaving? 

[tabarin]

15 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

You may have a point.

But did you concider that the average age of the customers has increased, so that servicing them has become more repulsive?

Funny to say that as most older guys I met prefer younger ones too. Same time the over aged and weight working girls think they can score a 25 year old and ask 3K.

[Kelsall]

16 minutes ago, Bjrda77 said:

I believe there're many responsible retirees and older expats in Thailand and we happy to have them here. There'll be no problem for those who follow the rules and laws. 

 

On the other hand there're those arrogant people and commies who think they're entitled to everything without needing to contribute to anything and complain on everything. They should have done a research and known the fact that Thailand is a developing country. And if they can't take these facts why would they want to visit or live here in the first place.

I've been to many countries and I never expect them to speak my language.

Commies?  Do you mean communists?

Edited January 1, 2020 by Kelsall

[oldhippy]

6 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

 Speak for  yourself Matey ....

I am much older now than 40 years ago, but I am still not a not a customer....

[oldhippy]

7 minutes ago, metempsychotic said:

Yes there is.

OK, but nobody will get away with calling me "dude".

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, oldhippy said:

OK, but nobody will get away with calling me "dude".

He wasnt talking about you, he just made a general reference and you assumed that he was talking about you .

  Easy mistake to make

[tlandtday]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

There are not 5 times more American expats in Thailand than Brits, there are more Brits actually.

 

OK. I'll spell it out. The reason that TI asked all embassies to provide adequate verification was because, unlike the British Embassy, the US embassy carried out zero verification. TI became aware that many American expats were gaming the system and TI only really wanted the US embassy to up their game, This is born out by the fact that prior to the letters being withdrawn, US citizens, and only US citizens, began to be asked for backup documentation for their income affidavits when applying for extensions at certain IOs.

anyone can game the system with the right agent so what's the point?  it's all about intimidation, blame game and pocket change... 

[elliss]

14 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

I am living in Thailand for 4 years on a spouse visa and no visa related thing has changed for me. But for people with a retirement visa has changed a lot - they have to have 800k Baht for 6 months and are not allowed to go below 400k Baht. If it´s a farang couple, it´s a lot of money to have for a long time on the bank account. Restaurant and my favorite massage shop owner told me that some of these couples have left.

 

If I wouldn´t be married with a Thai woman, I think I wouldn´t live in Thailand.

 

Does a statistic exists if more foreigners relocate to Thailand or more are leaving? 

 

  TAT stats , confirm the number of foreigner guests residing  in Los is increasing .??

 

Edited January 1, 2020 by elliss

[Tounge Thaied]

I'm not leaving. Honestly, my rural Buriram abode is paid for. The wife cooks, food is cheap. My 40,000 baht per month that sustains my marriage VISA is plenty of money to live on. I have an international health insurance plan with IMG, High deductible low annual premium just $600.00 per year. Life is good. I am 52, I still work part-time out of the Kingdom, life is good. 

[Bjrda77]

7 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Commies?  Do you mean communists?

Yeah... or maybe you might want to call them leftists. I used to be one of them when I was a freshman... before I've learned to understand logic and have understanding about life and the laws of natures...

[sanemax]

19 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

  TAT stats , confirm the number of foreigner guests residing  in Los is increasing .??

 

Has TAT ever announced a decrease in anything ?

[Skallywag]

5 hours ago, RyanWalker said:

I am talking about more than 30 of my friends left Thailand. If I ask why, they all had one thing in common. The visas.

Interesting how when people leave, other people arrive, life is about movement and experience

 

No Visa changes if you keep 800K in a Thai bank account.

Cost of living in Thailand is 1/4 - 1/3 the cost of living in the USA.  

 

Many other benefits in LOS regarding female companionship as well ????

 

[GeoMill]

2 hours ago, amykat said:

Since there are approximately 5 times more Americans in the world than Brits, if there are 5 times as many threads, for any one complaint, that would just make us equal on the face of it ...but you seem to keep wanting to point out something else??

There are no other Europeans on this forum? 

 

Since I am Dutch and for sure there are Germans here too, your whole argument turned to trash.

[tabarin]

7 minutes ago, GeoMill said:

There are no other Europeans on this forum? 

 

Since I am Dutch and for sure there are Germans here too, your whole argument turned to trash.

There used to be around 20,000 - 25,000 Dutch people in Thailand, not sure as of today. For holidays much more (100K up). And a lot more Germans.
Have to say, I saw Dutch people everywhere in Hanoi 2 weeks ago. Much less here today.

Also know 10-20 years, yearly returning ones that picked another destination in 2019 and likely again this year.

Edited January 1, 2020 by tabarin

[Isaanbiker]

I settled down in the lower northeast ( Isaan) in 2002, and all was so different that I sometimes think that it's a different country.

 

 Not only that, almost all goods have gotten very expensive, it's virtually impossible to raise kids on a teacher's salary.

 

Too many agencies have taken over, pay peanuts, and don't care about their employees.

 

  Way too many criminal foreigners have done weird crimes from bag snatching to drug abuse and selling them.

 

Then the pedos and many more who give all of us a great name....

 

  Not many Thais want to make foreign friends these days. My ex-neighbor, a now-retired Thai teacher, was happy to have a chat with a foreigner 15 years ago.

 

 But times are changing, and she wouldn't like to talk to any of the new foreigners in town.

 

Too many are alcoholics, and a lot of them have an unfortunate reputation. 

 

  It's not just the strong Thai baht too many Thais now dislike foreigners for plenty of reasons.

 

 Whenever a foreigner commits a crime, even when it's a one day overstay, they're fast with showing photos of foreigners wearing a pig or an Alien mask.

That alone shows you a lot. 

 

Once the money runs out, even spending it for the extended family, there's not much more they can get from you, and you're not relevant anymore.

 

 I'm making 3 K less than I had ten years ago, which says a lot about the few jobs foreigners are allowed to do.

 

People are getting older and more often sick.

 

Unfortunately, do not too many think about how much money they need to pay hospital bills. 

 

 Thai people might help each other like the oldest daughter helps her parents. But that's not how it usually works out for foreigners.

 

Once broke, or handicapped, and you're out. 

 

 In most cases, the marriage consists of an agreement, and when the foreigner runs dry, there's very seldom a helping hand coming from the Thai side.

 

  My five baht to it. 

 

  

 

   

 

   

Edited January 1, 2020 by Isaanbiker
More Power for Foreigners in LOS!

[elliss]

13 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Interesting how when people leave, other people arrive, life is about movement and experience

 

No Visa changes if you keep 800K in a Thai bank account.

Cost of living in Thailand is 1/4 - 1/3 the cost of living in the USA.  

 

Many other benefits in LOS regarding female companionship as well ????

 

 

 Wow , does the lady , have a younger sister ....

 

 

Edited January 1, 2020 by elliss

[amykat]

1 minute ago, GeoMill said:

There are no other Europeans on this forum? 

 

Since I am Dutch and for sure there are Germans here too, your whole argument turned to trash.

Really, there are other people besides Brits and Americans in the world?  I had no idea, thank you.  
 

I was just making a specific point to Danny because he has a history in many threads of saying that Americans do all the complaining here ....you might want to know that some Brits like to trash Americans at every opportunity for some reason to do with their teeth I think??

 

I am well aware of Holland, my Grandfather came from there and spoke 

Dutch and went back to Europe for most of adult life.  But thanks again.

[Isaanbiker]

2 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

 Wow , does the lady , have a younger sister ....

Is she really too old for you? 

[madmen]

5 minutes ago, tabarin said:

There used to be around 20,000 - 25,000 Dutch people in Thailand, not sure as of today. For holidays much more (100K up). And a lot more Germans.
Have to say, I saw Dutch people everywhere in Hanoi 2 weeks ago. Much less today here.

Also know 10-20 years, yearly returning ones that picked another destination in 2019 and likely again this year.

how could you tell? were they walking around sucking on roll mops or was it their wooden clogs ? 

[tabarin]

2 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

Is she really too old for you? 

He wants one without luggage, still prospect for marriage.

[elliss]

4 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

Is she really too old for you? 

 

 Spouse , i could stretch my magination .. 555

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2020 by elliss

[tabarin]

12 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

Once broke, or handicapped, and you're out. 

I most cases, the marriage consists of an agreement, and when the foreigner runs dry, there's very seldom a helping hand coming from the Thai side.

Can't blame them for that, they living survival of the fittest games and their own people / family is the first if not only priority.

I would not want to rely on Thais taking care for me (aside of maybe some temporary small help to get back working or whatever). 

But yes, that is the harsh truth, also why someone should be well prepared if moving here permanently. 
For me this was the big No no to ever move to my wife her hometown, as it would all be about getting as much as possible. Not even her parents but villagers and relates in general, there is always some good reason to ask. Because we live far away from them, no worries. I can advice anyone to do the same.

Not talking about never sending some money to support or buy some food and drinks when we visit, but more in general and daily life.

P.S. What you said about Thais who not want to know foreigners, I call it xenophobic generalising fools. Thais do much more bad than foreigners do in TH.
Others just don't know any better, as they lived their entire life in the village. They believe the opinions of those who went out (and often talk trash about us).

Edited January 1, 2020 by tabarin

[Mitkof Island]

Nothing has changed in my case. Does not break my heart many are leaving. After watching yet another foreign nut case on a bus shouting in German. He was <deleted> because a Thai woman had a ticket for a certain seat that he decided was his.