Iran wants to handle black box data after plane crash blamed on missile

[snoop1130]

Iran wants to handle black box data after plane crash blamed on missile

by Alexander Cornwell, Parisa Hafezi

 

FILE PHOTO: Security officers and Red Crescent workers are seen at the site where the Ukraine International Airlines plane crashed after take-off from Iran's Imam Khomeini airport, on the outskirts of Tehran, Iran January 8, 2020. Nazanin Tabatabaee/WANA (West Asia News Agency) via REUTERS

 

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran said on Friday it wanted to download black box recordings itself from a Ukrainian airliner that crashed, killing all 176 people aboard, after Canada and others said the plane was brought down by an Iranian missile, probably by mistake.

 

Iran, which has denied the Boeing 737-800 was downed by a missile, said it could take one or two months to extract information from the voice and flight data recorders. It said it could ask Russia, Canada, France or Ukraine if it needed help.

 

Tehran also said the probe might take one or two years.

 

Ukraine said it could not rule out a missile strike but had not confirmed this. The Ukraine International Airlines flight to Kiev from Tehran crashed on Wednesday, when Iran was on alert for a U.S. military response hours after firing missiles at U.S. targets in Iraq. tmsnrt.rs/36Fn26m

 

The incident adds to international pressure on Iran, after months of tension with the United States and then tit-for-tat military strikes. Washington killed an Iranian general last week in a drone attack in Iraq, prompting Tehran’s missile launches.

 

On social media, many Iranians voiced anger at the authorities for not closing the airport after Iran’s missile launches. Many passengers were Iranians with dual nationality.

 

“We prefer to download the black boxes in Iran. But if we see that we can’t do that because the boxes are damaged, then we will seek help,” Ali Abedzadeh, head of Iran’s Civil Aviation Organisation, told a news conference in Tehran.

 

State television earlier showed the battered black boxes, saying their information could be downloaded and analysed.

 

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, citing intelligence from Canada and other sources, has blamed an Iranian missile for bringing down the plane that had 63 Canadians on board, although he said it “may well have been unintentional”.

 

“The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile,” he said.

 

Ukraine’s general prosecutor asked Canada “to provide information available to the Canadian side that may facilitate criminal investigations” into the crash.

 

ERROR

 

France’s BEA air accident agency said on it would be involved in the investigation into the Ukrainian crash. BEA helped analyse data from the flight recorder of a Boeing that crashed in Ethiopia last year.

 

“It is important that as much clarity as possible is made and as quickly as possible,” French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said.

 

A U.S. official, citing satellite data, said Washington had concluded with a high degree of certainty that anti-aircraft missiles brought down the plane in error.

 

The official said the data showed the plane airborne for two minutes after departing Tehran when heat signatures of two surface-to-air missiles were detected. There was an explosion in the vicinity and heat data showed the plane on fire as it fell. U.S. military satellites detect infrared emissions from heat.

 

U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters he believed “somebody could have made a mistake”.

 

A defence expert said the plane’s radar signature would have been similar to a U.S. military transport plane.

 

The New York Times said it had obtained a video appearing to show an Iranian missile hitting a plane near Tehran airport.

 

Iran denied the airliner had been hit by a missile, saying such reports were “psychological warfare against Iran.”

 

“All those countries whose citizens were aboard the plane can send representatives and we urge Boeing to send its representative to join the process of investigating the black box,” government spokesman Ali Rabiei said.

 

Iran’s Foreign Ministry said that, after coordinating with Ottawa, a delegation of 10 Canadians were heading to Tehran to follow up on Canadian victims. Canada has no diplomatic ties with Iran.

 

COOPERATION

 

Iran’s civil aviation organisation said in an initial report less than 24 hours after the incident that the three-year-old airliner, which had its last scheduled maintenance on Monday, encountered a technical problem after takeoff and was heading to a nearby airport before it crashed.

 

Investigations into airliner crashes require cooperation of regulators, experts and companies across jurisdictions. They can take months and initial reports in 24 hours are rare.

 

Ukraine has outlined four potential scenarios, including a missile strike and terrorism. Kiev said its investigators wanted to search the crash site for possible debris of a Russian-made missile used by Iran’s military.

 

The Transportation Safety Board of Canada said it was making arrangements to tour the site after an Iranian invitation.

 

The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said it had designated a representative to join the probe.

 

Boeing said it would support the NTSB. The company is reeling from two deadly crashes of 737 MAX planes, including the one in Ethiopia, that led to the model’s grounding last year.

 

The crash plane was built in 2016 and is the prior generation of the 737 before the MAX.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-10

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[sweatalot]

"Iran wants to handle black box data after plane crash"

If they were  sure it was not their missile that hit the plane they would happily let another country check the black box (except the US of course)

Now - even if they are innocent - nobody will believe when they claim their missile was not the cause 

 

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[Bruntoid]

40 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

"Iran wants to handle black box data after plane crash"

If they were  sure it was not their missile that hit the plane they would happily let another country check the black box (except the US of course)

Now - even if they are innocent - nobody will believe when they claim their missile was not the cause 

 

(sorry cannot make the letters smaller)

 

Which they have offered to do - they have already stated any country that had a victim in that plane AND Boeing themselves are welcome to come and inspect anything and everything in Iran which seems perfectly reasonable incl the black bo. 
 

No idiot is going to allow Boeing, who will be desperate to avoid blame after their recent calamities take it to a country that could very easily be implicated surely!

[Scot123]

Only someone bitter and twisted would try and defect the evidence already seen. Video of the missiles, heat signatures of missiles and the airplane then a big explosion. Then ignore at the same time the Iranians were firing missiles at an airport in Iraq. The saddest thing is the murdered dead will never see justice as Iran gets away with it again. So many people gullible, cowerds or simply filled with so much twisted hate for Trump or America.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Bruntoid said:

No idiot is going to allow Boeing, who will be desperate to avoid blame after their recent calamities take it to a country that could very easily be implicated surely!

You don't really believe Boeing's 737 missile defence systems failed do you?

 

[anterian]

When the crash site has already been bulldozed clean, what evidence will remain of a missile.

 

[mogandave]

36 minutes ago, anterian said:

When the crash site has already been bulldozed clean, what evidence will remain of a missile.

 

There should still be enough left to blame Trump...

[mercman24]

its obvious IRAN are lieing as they said the plane had a technical problem and was returning, there would be communication radio proof, there is none ,    GUILTY

[Ramen087]

The point of impact was seen as it happened. This plane was inadvertently shot down by a missile defense system. It’s possible it was an automated system that did not correctly discern the difference between a military jet and a commercial airliner. Game over. There really isn’t anything else to say except this: An error was made, and the plane was accidentally obliterated by a missile. 

[animalmagic]

23 minutes ago, Ramen087 said:

The point of impact was seen as it happened. This plane was inadvertently shot down by a missile defense system. It’s possible it was an automated system that did not correctly discern the difference between a military jet and a commercial airliner. Game over. There really isn’t anything else to say except this: An error was made, and the plane was accidentally obliterated by a missile. 

How do you know it was inadvertent and accidental?  The possibility of intentional has not yet been disproved.  The voice recordings may shed some light on that.

I'm not claiming it was done by any party but would certainly like to know either way.

 

[Ramen087]

8 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

How do you know it was inadvertent and accidental?  The possibility of intentional has not yet been disproved.  The voice recordings may shed some light on that.

I'm not claiming it was done by any party but would certainly like to know either way.

 

Are you serious?

[animalmagic]

2 minutes ago, Ramen087 said:

Are you serious?

I'd like it to be shown to be false first.  That involves full and open examination of all available data.

[Ramen087]

1 minute ago, animalmagic said:

I'd like it to be shown to be false first.  That involves full and open examination of all available data.

Like that’s going to happen. C’mon man... open your eyes. The black boxes are gonzo like Alonzo. 

[sammieuk1]

Shooting down another country's passenger plane is an act of war Ukraine should know that better than anyone the question is what is going to be done about it and it looks like probably nothing 170+ Rip????

[animalmagic]

2 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Shooting down another country's passenger plane is an act of war Ukraine should know that better than anyone the question is what is going to be done about it and it looks like probably nothing 170+ Rip????

Fully agree with the RIP to all on board.  And agree with the statement nothing will be done.

I'm not sure that some people in power actually fully understand what is an act of war, or even care.

[animalmagic]

8 minutes ago, Ramen087 said:

Like that’s going to happen. C’mon man... open your eyes. The black boxes are gonzo like Alonzo. 

I'm sure you're right.  Look, I'm not claiming the plane was shot down intentionally, but actions to destroy or withhold evidence only lead to greater suspicion.

[DoctorG]

As usual, the cover-up is more damaging to the reputation than the event.

The simple, and proper, thing for Iran to have done was to admit that the plane was downed in error. Apologise, fire those involved in the error, and pay compensation to the families and to the airline.

Instead they will obfuscate, deny, and delay in the hope that it will all be old news someday, same as the Epstein death.

[avvocato]

"Iran wants to handle black box data after plane crash"

Of course, nowhere in the story is the fact that "ICAO" rules specify that the Black Boxes are given to the country where the "accident" occurred for analysis.

[avvocato]

48 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Shooting down another country's passenger plane is an act of war ...

Like on 3 July 1988 when a US Navy ship shot down Iranian Air Flight 655. And the commander of the Vincennes received a medal of commendation, no apology necessary.

[neeray]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters he believed “somebody could have made a mistake”.

Finally after 3 years, the POTUS has made a sensible statement, one with unusual diplomacy that suggests a come-clean opportunity for Iran to cool a HOT situation.

I couldn't agree more! Iran, you own this one. Now, man-up.

[IAMHERE]

I don't blame Iran for keeping the black boxes. I'd be worried about looking ridiculous as well as culpable too.  Iran knows the truth and wants to keep from looking 'bad' world wide. Who wouldn't do the same.

[animalmagic]

1 hour ago, avvocato said:

Like on 3 July 1988 when a US Navy ship shot down Iranian Air Flight 655. And the commander of the Vincennes received a medal of commendation, no apology necessary.

Don't forget Korean 007 on 1 Sept 1983, and Malaysian 17 on 17 Jul 2014.

[robblok]

Of course this was unintentional who i n their right mind would think that Iran would fire a missile on purpose to a passenger plane. It makes them look bad. So if it was a missile it was a mistake. 

That is not an act of war its a mistake, its only an act of war if it is intentional. 

 

Iran like the US does not like to look like a fool. Nobody likes to be caught out like this what they are doing is the same the US would do and has done when they shot down passenger planes. Deflect and deny until you cant anymore. I doubt many countries would come out straight and take the heat. They would all do stuff to make it look less bad and have less of an impact. 

 

Not condoning this of course but i see no reason what they have to benefit by shooting it down on purpose.

[TheAppletons]

31 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

I don't blame Iran for keeping the black boxes. I'd be worried about looking ridiculous as well as culpable too.  Iran knows the truth and wants to keep from looking 'bad' world wide. Who wouldn't do the same.

 

  Except they look even stupider as they deny what actually occurred....when the entire world knows exactly what happened.  

[dabhand]

CNN reporting that Iran are admitting unintentional shoot down of Ukraine 737.

[Old Croc]

They've admitted the obvious, but I still fail to understand how they mistakenly shot down a commercial jet that had just taken off from their main international airport.

It wasn't coming in at 30,000 feet and could be claimed to be confused with a bomber.

[MarkyM3]

Also reported on BBC website:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621

[metisdead]

A troll post and a reply has been removed. 

[grumpy 4680]

      Shooting down an airliner, an earthquake, 56 dead in a stampede, firing missiles into another country, and the death of their beloved General.

            Don't think ALLAH is too pleased with Iran.

[Stargeezr]

The Jet belonged to another country, so Iran has no right to bulldoze the crash sites so quickly, and it does not have the rights to keep the Ukraine's black boxes that belong to

Ukraine.  I think heads have to roll for this tragic end of the jet, and the deaths of

all those people. Maybe the Ayatollah should face Madame G. Think French.

Geezer