Ukrainian aircraft was shot down in Iran due to human error - Iran military statement

[Kinnock]

22 hours ago, stevenl said:

I think Russia wasn't mentioned because they're not involved in this, US is.

Putting the Georgia shootings on Russia's plate is too easy.

Apart from Russia selling the missile system to Iran, and presumably also helping with maintenance and spare parts?

 

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Apart from Russia selling the missile system to Iran, and presumably also helping with maintenance and spare parts?

 

Might as well start about the US delivered F14's then.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Apart from Russia selling the missile system to Iran, and presumably also helping with maintenance and spare parts?

 

 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Might as well start about the US delivered F14's then.

Hello! Its deflection time.

[ThaiFelix]

14 hours ago, SheungWan said:

After lying their heads off, the evidence stuffed them. Next, hold on to black box and bulldoze the site.

The black box is not being held on to by Iran, it is being investigated jointly by the Ukrainians and the Iranians (the 2 obvious partners in the disaster).  I dont think they could be fairer??  And as you are going to monotonously repeat that the Iranians lied I will repeat that they have now admitted it.  Why is that so unclear?

[spidermike007]

This was obviously a hugely embarrassing and tragic error. But one has to ask why, in light of the attacks taking place at the time, was this plane even granted permission to fly? 

[elliss]

18 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

They admitted it didnt they.  They took responsibility.  Very unlike some other country that has a reputation for denial even when the evidence/or lack of, is right in its face ie WMDs, imminent threats etc etc

 

  They had NO choice , the evidence  proved them to be liars , oops now they call it a error of judgement .

  Donald ,  we await  your response, in haste ...

   

     

     

Edited January 12, 2020 by elliss

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This was obviously a hugely embarrassing and tragic error. But one has to ask why, in light of the attacks taking place at the time, was this plane even granted permission to fly? 

It is emerging that warnings were made to cancel all civilian flights, but that this advice was ignored.

[ThaiFelix]

14 hours ago, elliss said:

 

  They had NO choice , the evidence  proved them to be liars , oops now they call it a error of judgement .

  Donald ,  we await  your response, in haste ...

   

     

     

They indeed did have a choice, they could have continued lying just as Trump continues to do even though those around him are admitting now there were no plans to blow up US embassies.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, ThaiFelix said:

They indeed did have a choice, they could have continued lying just as Trump continues to do even though those around him are admitting now there were no plans to blow up US embassies.

"They could have continued lying......" (!) No they couldn't. They were done. Absolutely nowhere to go on this one without being a laughing stock. But what a pathetic attempt this is to continue excusing the regime. At least the Iranian people are having none of it and calling on the streets for the Government to resign, while some of our friendly forum Left-wing friends continue to line up with the Mad Mullahs and pretend the Iranian Opposition doesn't exist. Getting fleas from sleeping with dogs.

Edited January 13, 2020 by SheungWan

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

"They could have continued lying......" (!) No they couldn't. They were done. Absolutely nowhere to go on this one without being a laughing stock. But what a pathetic attempt this is to continue excusing the regime. At least the Iranian people are having none of it and calling on the streets for the Government to resign, while some of our friendly forum Left-wing friends continue to line up with the Mad Mullahs and pretend the Iranian Opposition doesn't exist. Getting fleas from sleeping with dogs.

You keep saying this, but there is no 'excusing the regime' in the post you reacted to or in many of the other posts you made the same accusation.

[Bruntoid]

On 1/11/2020 at 7:59 PM, Benmart said:

The last sentence is unnecessary and dilutes the rest.

Absolute nonsense - Boeing will be massively relieved it’s not down to them. The corporate world is cut throat and this would have gone a long way to finishing Boeing off had it been down to them. 
 

The sentence is fact 

[overherebc]

On 1/11/2020 at 12:19 PM, Saltire said:

Paranoid, military hotheads spoiling for a fight - again, at the cost of more innocent lives.

 

Every country boasts about their military technology. This is obviously inferior if they can not in this day and age, tell the difference between a commercial airliner that had just taken off from their own soil, and an incoming enemy bomber?

 

When my old-skool dad watched television reports of middle east countries protesting in the streets, he'd always say 'these people would follow a donkey'.

 

Detection systems for SAM's only detect planes not what kind of plane.

[ThaiFelix]

53 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

"They could have continued lying......" (!) No they couldn't. They were done. Absolutely nowhere to go on this one without being a laughing stock. But what a pathetic attempt this is to continue excusing the regime. At least the Iranian people are having none of it and calling on the streets for the Government to resign, while some of our friendly forum L eft-wing friends continue to line up with the Mad Mullahs and pretend the Iranian Opposition doesn't exist. Getting fleas from sleeping with dogs.

No they couldn't. They were done. Absolutely nowhere to go on this one without being a laughing stock.

The USA continued lying when they were the laughing stock in the Gulf Of Tonkin incident, the supposed WMD's that Saddam purportedly held in numbers, that Iraq was harbouring Al Qaeda in Iraq etc etc etc.  Do you want me to go on?  Iran seems to have much more pride than that.

 

At least the Iranian people are having none of it and calling on the streets for the Government to resign,

Over one million Iranians attended the assassinated general's funeral...were they there to cheer his death?  In contrast "up to 3,000 protesters" marched against their government leaders over the shooting down of the Ukranian civilian jet.  While I admit there are those opposed to their government in Iran, just like anywhere, "up to 3,000" in oppostion is a very very small number compared to the "over 1 million" that attended Soleimani's funeral in support.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1142968-our-enemy-is-here-iran-protesters-demand-leaders-quit-after-plane-downed/?utm_source=newsletter-20200113-0623&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

 

while some of our friendly forum L eft-wing friends continue to line up with the Mad Mullahs and pretend the Iranian Opposition doesn't exist. Getting fleas from sleeping with dogs.

As this appears only to be defeatist vitriol and a personal attack I shall not entertain it.

 

 

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

They indeed did have a choice, they could have continued lying just as Trump continues to do even though those around him are admitting now there were no plans to blow up US embassies.

Exactly. Where is the evidence of the "imminent threat"? Conveniently ignored. But we have to take into account that "truth is not truth". 

[SheungWan]

8 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

No they couldn't. They were done. Absolutely nowhere to go on this one without being a laughing stock.

The USA continued lying when they were the laughing stock in the Gulf Of Tonkin incident, the supposed WMD's that Saddam purportedly held in numbers, that Iraq was harbouring Al Qaeda in Iraq etc etc etc.  Do you want me to go on?  Iran seems to have much more pride than that.

 

At least the Iranian people are having none of it and calling on the streets for the Government to resign,

Over one million Iranians attended the assassinated general's funeral...were they there to cheer his death?  In contrast "up to 3,000 protesters" marched against their government leaders over the shooting down of the Ukranian civilian jet.  While I admit there are those opposed to their government in Iran, just like anywhere, "up to 3,000" in oppostion is a very very small number compared to the "over 1 million" that attended Soleimani's funeral in support.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1142968-our-enemy-is-here-iran-protesters-demand-leaders-quit-after-plane-downed/?utm_source=newsletter-20200113-0623&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

 

while some of our friendly forum L eft-wing friends continue to line up with the Mad Mullahs and pretend the Iranian Opposition doesn't exist. Getting fleas from sleeping with dogs.

As this appears only to be defeatist vitriol and a personal attack I shall not entertain it.

 

Looks like the Mad Mullahs friends gone into overdrive. At least we now see them for what they are. And this is what happens when the Left goes unhinged. Lining up with nasty terrorists. As if we are surprised.

[ThaiFelix]

20 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Looks like the Mad Mullahs friends gone into overdrive. At least we now see them for what they are. And this is what happens when the Left goes unhinged. Lining up with nasty terrorists. As if we are surprised.

Can you please explain what this has got to do with my post or is it just some kind of personal attack against me.

 

Lining up with nasty terrorists?  Are you referring to the fact that Soleimani was previously working with the US the same as Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and many others??