Democrats condemn Trump at trial as threat to American democracy

[Laughing Gravy]

3 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

To start with I really detest name calling.. it really is an unproductive and condescending contribution to intelligent discourse.  My own position is that I support rule of law.

Well I am glad you support the rule of law and that would mean the fact trump is the president. as for name calling then that's your prerogative. As for intelligent  discourse the very nature of the conversation in the thread is anything but intelligent, as it wouldn't be happening.

[Laza 45]

2 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well I am glad you support the rule of law and that would mean the fact trump is the president. as for name calling then that's your prerogative. As for intelligent  discourse the very nature of the conversation in the thread is anything but intelligent, as it wouldn't be happening.

Right.. no one should question anything Trump does... or might call on his supporters to actually think things through..

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, Laza 45 said:

Right.. no one should question anything Trump does... or might call on his supporters to actually think things through..

That's what you said I never. For me they have done everything possible since the man was elected, since the crying rooms were emptied.

Question fine. Hound, not for me. So the people will have their say soon. What will you do when he gets another term. Accept it or continue to complain at every little thing he does,

Edited February 4, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

And?

And if not enough to deny full democracy, Trump will create increasing social polarization and risk further deterioration. He now has the distinction of causing US decline from full to flawed democracy for the first time. 

[Cryingdick]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

And if not enough to deny full democracy, Trump will create increasing social polarization and risk further deterioration. He now has the distinction of causing US decline from full to flawed democracy for the first time. 

These are unfounded allegations that lack any merit.

[George Aylesham]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I care not for Trump or the democrats. I do care about adults stamping their feet like little children when things don't go their way and try and do anything to prevent a democratic decision (Election) from happening. Just the same from my native UK with a democratic referendum on leaving the EU.

 

Sadly the world is full of cry babies who need to behave like adults and take responsibility and accept decisions they don't like with some dignity.

 

Which one are you.

The EU referendum was grossly flawed and there is abundant and clear evidence to prove it. Clinton won the US election by over 2 million votes but the democratic choice of the people was overturned by the electoral colleges.

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

These are unfounded allegations that lack any merit.

Much in line with deniers slogan “truth is not truth” and “in Trump we trust”. 

[mogandave]

2 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

I posed the question if a Democrat president behaved in the same way that Trump has would the Republicans respect the Democrat's right to rule in the same fashion. I referred to Trump's attempted extortion of the Ukrainian president.   So far I have had one response suggesting that that I am a poor loser and a crybaby.. 

 

When Obama acted inappropriately (Russian collusion, IRS, Fast & Furious, GAO etc.) the press covered for him and there was no official call for his impeachment, so I’m going to say yes, Republicans would, and in fact did allow Democrats to continue their “rule”.

 

2 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

I have no skin in the game so it is not mine to lose..  If Bernie Sanders were to become president.. like it or not it is a possibility.  If he starts implementing his policies by executive order are the Republicans going to accept that as the new order?  

 

But-but-but you mean if Bernie goes the Obama “pen and phone” route? 
 

Do you have an example Trump implementing “policies” by executive order as you imply?  
 

 

 

 

[pmarlin]

5 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

...and if the Democrats coerced another nation to dig dirt on Trump and withheld aid approved you would be happy with that??  

What they did was worst. The Russian dossier paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign which was used to open investigations into trump even after it was proved to be bogus.

[mogandave]

2 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Trouble is "the voters" only have 2 choices and both are corrupt in their own way. 

 

Checks and balances hasn't gotten anyone in the USA free health care or higher education as most every other first world nation provides.  Military and armaments come first, and the 535 members of congress take care of themselves second.  Got to have a congress even if they are not serving the people.

Their only concern is having enough corporate backers to get them re-elected every 4-6 years

Where do they have “free” higher education and healthcare for everyone?

 

[Laughing Gravy]

22 minutes ago, George Aylesham said:

The EU referendum was grossly flawed and there is abundant and clear evidence to prove it. Clinton won the US election by over 2 million votes but the democratic choice of the people was overturned by the electoral colleges.

It has been done to death but yes the 9 million pound spent on leaflets to each UK household for the remain campaign. Not to mention project fear.

 

Plus the UK were cajoled into the EU on a pack of lies.

 

As for the USA democratic process accept it, change it or do what seems that you are doing now, complaining until you get the result you want.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[BobBKK]

Democrats can't even organise vote counting in the Iowa Caucus and they want to run the country?

[mogandave]

34 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

And if not enough to deny full democracy, Trump will create increasing social polarization and risk further deterioration. He now has the distinction of causing US decline from full to flawed democracy for the first time. 

Why is Trump blamed for social polarization? Is this something new? 
 

Does the rhetoric from the left and the media not play any part?

 

While Trump has not put any brake to it, in my opinion, Obama and the left shifted social polarization into hyper-drive. 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

What they did was worst. The Russian dossier paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign which was used to open investigations into trump even after it was proved to be bogus.

To rub salt to injury, the House then with Reps majority did nothing. 

[mogandave]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It has been done to death but yes the 9 million pound spent on leaflets to each UK household for the remain campaign. Not to mention project fear.

 

Plus the UK were cajoled into the EU on a pack of lies.

 

As for the USA democratic process accept it, change it or do what seems that you are doing now, complaining until you get the result you want.

Didn’t Obama campaign against Brexit? 

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Why is Trump blamed for social polarization? Is this something new? 
 

Does the rhetoric from the left and the media not play any part?

 

While Trump has not put any brake to it, in my opinion, Obama and the left shifted social polarization into hyper-drive. 

Is there increasing social polarization? Is Trump the President? 

[gk10002000]

yeah well the democrats forcing obamacare on the country was disgusting; Pelosi:  " well we don't really know what will happen so let's just pass it and see".

[Jane Dough]

Mr Bumble once said that the "law is a ass".

 

Now it appears that nearly half of the American voting public is just that after electing one.

 

Worse still, they still can't accept the error of their ways despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

American democracy will survive this hit but will they learn the lessons?

Rooster

[Ricohoc]

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Is there increasing social polarization? Is Trump the President? 

Anything good happening on Trump's watch is just a continuation of Obama, but the bad things are all on Trump.  That's how it always works for Democrats/LIBs/Progressives -- or whatever they call themselves.  Ask Obama.  He blamed GWB for everything bad through almost all 8 years.

[Laughing Gravy]

29 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Didn’t Obama campaign against Brexit? 

Well ole chap as he wasn't a British politician so he didn't. The fact that he towed the elitist line and said the UK would be at the back of the queue is irrelevant as he isn't the President anymore.

 

He did give his views but obviously not being British, we just laughed at them and by the way the election went, it seems so did the people of the USA.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[Mick501]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

You are missing my point we will rember come November 

4 more years of outrage, hate and impotence for the Dems coming up.   Hilarious to watch.  Just can't imagine how it feels to be perpetually outraged for years on end.  Surely it can't be good for sanity?

[Laza 45]

53 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Do you have an example Trump implementing “policies” by executive order as you imply?

Here is a very comprehensive list for you:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Donald_Trump

..a graph showing the rising use of executive orders by Trump..

[Eric Loh]

24 minutes ago, Laza 45 said:

Here is a very comprehensive list for you:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Donald_Trump

..a graph showing the rising use of executive orders by Trump..

I bet the pardon list will be even more impressive. 

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

...and if the Democrats coerced another nation to dig dirt on Trump and withheld aid approved you would be happy with that??  

 

No. Nor would I be happy with a President that used his office and power to coerce a young impressionable intern into sexual activities; and then lied about them to the government and on TV when addressing the American people - watch his lips!

 

But the Democrats apparently have no problem with that. Or with voting not to impeach him on partisan party line.

 

As with most liberal left political parties, the Democrats are full of hypocrisy and do as we say not as we do mentality. What's worse, they seem to believe this is their right. Which is why they're the real threat to democracy.

 

The activities of Pelosi, Schiff, Schummer and Biden should all be closely looked at. Wonder what was going on during the Obama years.

[Baerboxer]

39 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well ole chap as he wasn't a British politician so he didn't. The fact that he towed the elitist line and said the UK would be at the back of the queue is irrelevant as he isn't the President anymore.

 

He did give his views but obviously not being British, we just laughed at them and by the way the election went, it seems so did the people of the USA.

 

Indeed.

 

But it was a clear attempt by a foreign power to influence the result of the Brexit referendum by threatening to put any trade discussions at the back of the queue.

 

As such, he should be fully investigated - and not by the seemingly part of the Democrat party FBI!

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No. Nor would I be happy with a President that used his office and power to coerce a young impressionable intern into sexual activities; and then lied about them to the government and on TV when addressing the American people - watch his lips!

 

But the Democrats apparently have no problem with that. Or with voting not to impeach him on partisan party line.

 

As with most liberal left political parties, the Democrats are full of hypocrisy and do as we say not as we do mentality. What's worse, they seem to believe this is their right. Which is why they're the real threat to democracy.

 

The activities of Pelosi, Schiff, Schummer and Biden should all be closely looked at. Wonder what was going on during the Obama years.

A bj don’t affect national foreign policy nor election. Give me a better serious comparison. 

[sawadee1947]

He's not only a threat to democracy but also to peace in the world. ????

[Laughing Gravy]

16 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

He's not only a threat to democracy but also to peace in the world. ????

A bit like Siin Fein then. Still waiting on the number 76 situation. Any developments on that one.

[earlinclaifornia]

9 hours ago, Tulak said:

accepting the loss requires wisdom - and sadly it is in a short supply in this case

He looks TIRED and DAUNT. Not really up for another four more years of a daily struggle he experiences.

[earlinclaifornia]

7 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

The Democrats looked weak and beatup as they delivered their arguments, now exposed, not arguments at all, but rather a narrative, now punched full of holes and exposed as filled with lies and distortion by the brilliance of the Trump Defense team!

Honestly? Do you really think like that? I want to frame this post and print it in November.