20 minutes ago, Moti24 said:

What's needed are students with more incentive to learn, and don't give-up when the going gets tough.  Getting-rid of the "Every student will pass" <deleted> might help.

 

There's no quick fix, unfortunatly, without a completely new education system phased-in over the next 50 years.

 

TiT.....

 

Yes..that's about the nub of it.

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

Is China a better option for English teachers?

Japan sure is.

2 hours ago, sahibji said:

ehs818  are you serious? do you think americans, canadians and australians speak good english? i seriously doubt so.

Pray tell me who actually speaks good English. Please don't say the English.

Ever spoken to a Yorkshire man, a Scouser, a Geordie or any one from Cornwall?

Will this include obtaining work permits ??

Too many people jump to the conclusion that simply being a native English speaker equals being able to teach. It doesn't.

Teaching is a skill learned and developed over years, much the same as any other profession.

 

Just because I'm handy with a box cutter or Stanley knife doesn't make me a surgeon.

Here we go again!

2 hours ago, sahibji said:

ehs818  are you serious? do you think americans, canadians and australians speak good english? i seriously doubt so.

Curious as why? Majority speak English. Or are we comparing 

American vs British English which is comparably the same...

Except a bonnet goes on your head...

 

Excuse my English / Australian post grad educational observations of Yanks being preferred as teachers of English. Most Yanks have no clue about decent English. For goodness sake they can't even spell correctly let alone speak decent English. Wouldn't want my kids taught English my a Yank ... heaven forbid! 

Edited February 16, 20206 yr by Tropposurfer

18 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

Another roundabout way of getting rid of some westerners !

A Thai learning thai kids to speak English. It's been tried for years and has always failed. 

Edited February 16, 20206 yr by Max69xl

1 hour ago, Grumpy John said:

Indians and Filipinos to teach English......really!  What they really need is 3000 stralians as the spoken English in stralia is the purest English of them all! 

Strewth mate, goodonya, yer fair dinkum, bloody oath y'are!

Edited February 16, 20206 yr by emptypockets

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Why would an English teacher need to be fluent in Thai ?

To be able to answer questions from their students, and to be able to explain the meaning of English words in a language the students can understand perhaps?

Edited February 16, 20206 yr by emptypockets

1 hour ago, Borzandy said:

I know an English teacher from Australia. When I asked him what did you do in Australia before being teacher in Thailand, he told me ha was working in construction field.

Many qualified adult educators across a broad range of industries in Australia. Train the trainer courses are very popular.

9 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Pray tell me who actually speaks good English. Please don't say the English.

Ever spoken to a Yorkshire man, a Scouser, a Geordie or any one from Cornwall?

I don't know about other Australians (you're right most Australians speak and spell atrociously), as for me I was most fortunate to be well educated being raised in a home in which the Oxford dictionary was on the bookshelf and taken down almost every day. So as far as I am concerned yes I do speak well and possess a solid command of grammar, comprehension, and pronunciation.

6 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

native English speaker equals being able to teach. It doesn't.

Agree 100%... I’ve been asked many times ...why don’t I teach English. My patience level is very low and they’d only be learning

discipline. To be a good teacher is a special quality...

Maybe it's time to call my old school..the one that told me if I wanted to continue to work there I had to now come thru their new agency contract, and the agency told me forget your health insurance cause we're dropping that, and oh yeah..your basic salary will be lower for the school and the same job you've done for two years now but you'll have a chance to earn back the difference by doing English camps between terms. Ha ha ha.. Same old story nothing will change..10,000 more teachers just means 10,000 more opportunities to fleece the budget

18 hours ago, TheDark said:

64.000.000 baht / 3.000 new teacher = 21300 baht / new teacher. I guess that 64 million is price of the project / hiring cost. 

 

 

Just about pay for the visa costs and work permits etc.

 

No mention of the salary on offer?

But lets make sure that the retirees from English speaking countries already living in Thailand have a restriction on their visa that does not allow them to work. 

14 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

For goodness sake they can't even spell correctly let alone speak decent English. Wouldn't want my kids taught English my a Yank ... heaven forbid! 

5555

Perhaps critically review your spelling before posting....my a Yank!

Edited February 16, 20206 yr by emptypockets

12 minutes ago, tonray said:

Maybe it's time to call my old school..the one that told me if I wanted to continue to work there I had to now come thru their new agency contract, and the agency told me forget your health insurance cause we're dropping that, and oh yeah..your basic salary will be lower for the school and the same job you've done for two years now but you'll have a chance to earn back the difference by doing English camps between terms. Ha ha ha.. Same old story nothing will change..10,000 more teachers just means 10,000 more opportunities to fleece the budget

For the sake of the students, please don't.

19 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Sure they're any that wanna come?

They might stop by your house while they're here. 

11 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

But lets make sure that the retirees from English speaking countries already living in Thailand have a restriction on their visa that does not allow them to work. 

I think that is pretty well a given already. Same as a tourist visa...no work permitted.

10 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Many qualified adult educators across a broad range of industries in Australia. Train the trainer courses are very popular.

True.

And then take the TAE accreditations and add the TAELLN which is required for teaching language literacy and numeracy skills to adults, plus most are also academically qualified engineers etc. etc.

I had been delivering multiple discipline training and assessment for almost 45 years globally, designing training courses, and remedial activity plans to bring the less skilled workers up to standard.

But I was told that I needed TESOL, plus the ability to jump through hoops, on one leg and also thai language skills to even do volunteer work here.

Not to mention the correct visa...

Its looking a gift horse in the mouth...

I wonder why we bother sometimes...????

 

 

19 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Sure they're any that wanna come?

Nigeria would be interested... [he didn't say native English teachers]

Much cheaper and easier to stop dubbing all English movies to Thai, and introduce more English speaking learning programs and kids programs on TV! ????

18 hours ago, darksidedog said:

This subject comes round and round and never gets anywhere because they are not prepared to pay the money required to get decent staff. They always cheap out and employ those for whom English is often a second or third language. The other issue of course is one of face and paying a farang more than Thai teachers who in their minds are superior causes a problem. Those looking for teaching work need not get excited. This will go no further than the countless identical promises made over the years and the kids in ten years still won't be able to speak English to anything close to an acceptable standard.

What are you even talking about paying them more?

An English teacher here has almost no work to do AND gets about 2x higher salary than a Thai teacher which works way harder compared to a foreigner. Not in all cases but I do know enough teachers who have 0 time for anything else. 

 

That said, maybe all of the people who complain about the salary should take a look how much the Thai teachers make, and then look at their salary and then maybe, just maybe they start to realize that not all countries pay people like they do in the west. So maybe it'd be better just to stay in the west instead of going to a poorer country, moaning about a low salary. Because that's what happens if you work in a poorer country. 

 

The plan perhaps might work if also the Thai teachers will get a raise. 

15 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

I wonder why we bother sometimes...????

 

It's probably best not to bother..

 

Anyway these threads come up about once a week (the usual period of occupancy of a Thai minister of Education) and we all know that nothing will change because it is not designed to change-"The more things change the more they stay the same." and on that basis the old Kipling quote "A fool lies here who tried to hustle the East " seems most appropriate.

Edited February 16, 20206 yr by Odysseus123

2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

It's probably best not to bother..

 

Anyway these threads come up about once a week (the usual period of occupancy of a Thai minister of Education) and we all know that nothing will change because it is not designed to change-"The more things change the more they stay the same." and on that basis the old Kipling quote "Here is the grave of the man who tried to hustle the East "seems most appropriate

It does frustrate a little. 

I'm happy living here.

Want to offer my life skills gratis, but basically need a work permit to do voluntary skills (including English language) training to less fortunate people. 

Many comments, some of which are laced with a poison called negativity. I prefer the tonic labeled, "Wait and See". Being retired, it will be viewed with interest and gratitude.

Edited February 16, 20206 yr by Benmart
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Japan and Korea are not depending on outside investments tourism or waiting for R&D development scientists from other countries to teach them anything. 

This countries are both the top dogs in economy technology and education. 

They are 1st wold countries that they are independent in almost all aspects of society economy technology and with a very big understanding of ethics in life such as being able to design and keep a polite good mannered society that focuses in evolving their country while making the standards higher without messing with people's life and the inviroment. 

They are perfection driven and not money driven.....and this is why they succeed in many cases and why their GDP is the top. 

Having high standards the quality is expected and the high income level of a country is going to go up. 

In Thailand this mentality is looking crazy as they don't care for tommorow next month or next decade. 

This is the problem.

And Thai teachers that will be reached again (fix their pronunciation exc) just call it a BIG No No loose of face. 

Never going to happen. 

 

Jokes apart guys. let me tell you all a story. Few years ago I met a bar girl. After a few drinks she told me that won't be working here for long.she just quickly want to earn 300000 baht to pay off family's debt and go back being a nurse. 

 

I suggested her to go to an Arab country as there is a huge demand plus good salary. Lot of filipinas work as nurses in Arab world. 

 

She told me that her English is poor and she won't get the job.she went further to say that how thai people are poor in English and cannot get a job abroad.

 

Now link it to the topic.if this girl had a farang English teacher back in school she won't be working in a bar and rather go to some arab country and work as a nurse.  A decent and respectable job.