Global warming causing 'irreversible' mass melting in Antarctica - scientist

[gunderhill]

BS, it  certainly is NOT irreversible,  next  ice  age  will  fix that.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

No, but you might have a problem with relying on a non-scientific source like National Geograhic to back up your global warming beliefs. 

 

On December 12, 2007, National Geographic News ran a scare story headlined "Arctic sea ice gone in summer in five years?".

 

Thirteen years later, we at least know how that particular kite flew.

 

There are many links in the article to scientific sources. Here's one:

https://institutenorth.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/aaca-bcb.pdf.pdf

Go educate yourself.

[gunderhill]

21 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

“Entomologist Dr. Ovid Byron speaking to television journalist, Tina, who says, re: global warming, "Scientists of course are in disagreement about whether this is happening and whether humans have a role."
He replies:
"The Arctic is genuinely collapsing. Scientists used to call these things the canary in the mine. What they say now is, The canary is dead. We are at the top of Niagara Falls, Tina, in a canoe. There is an image for your viewers. We got here by drifting, but we cannot turn around for a lazy paddle back when you finally stop pissing around. We have arrived at the point of an audible roar. Does it strike you as a good time to debate the existence of the falls?”

 

Barbara Kingsolver, Flight Behavior

Barrel  sales  is  the  business  to  get  into  then!

[bristolboy]

38 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

2019 was an anomaly, or weather, ice extent in antarctica is on a slow increasing trend.

guessing these scientists got paid a buck by the media to milk the cow

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/understanding-climate-antarctic-sea-ice-extent

You're confused. That article is about floating ice. Not about the West Antarctic Ice Sheet which is resting on the ocean floor.

[DrTuner]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Animal methane does not come from farting, it comes from belching.

 My bad, wrong exhaust. 

 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The biggest heat trap in the atmosphere by far is water vapour, but we won't hear much about that from government as can't tax it.

Don't give them any ideas ... taxation is what the CO2 thing is all about, water is just as legit to be taxed, another natural element of our environment.

[brokenbone]

13 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

https://www.cigionline.org/articles/ipcc-report-will-have-profound-effects-climate-governance?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu8_u8e_f5wIVUkHTCh0kqgmoEAAYASAAEgIq3_D_BwE

ipcc are disconnected from logic, or are displaying wishful thinking,

or its just plain propaganda, but, whomever ipcc are hoping to believe them

would need  to be a historical illiterate

[DrTuner]

5 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Only one small problem with your diagnosis. How much in resources does the average African consume vs. the average, say, American? Or to put it another way, how many Africans would it take to equal the total consumption of one average American?

Exactly one, as they'll be in the same country after immigrating. You don't think they stay in Africa, when there's a developed country with dwindling, unhealthy population ready to be invaded, do you? Refugees 2015 ring a bell?

[Chiphigh]

45 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I notice that most deniers are also Trump supporters. Not sure that they are bonafide deniers or they just love Trump more and succumbing to his imbecility 

I noticed that most of the cult of climate Armageddon continually virtue signal and pretend to be intellectually superior. 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, brokenbone said:

ipcc are disconnected from logic, or are displaying wishful thinking,

or its just plain propaganda, but, whomever ipcc are hoping to believe them

would need  to be a historical illiterate

Yeah, sure...whatever...keep telling yourself that.

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

temperature increase has to date been beneficial to biomass and biodiversity,

and there is no logic behind the reasoning that it all of a sudden would be negative,

so either you are disconnected from logic, or you are displaying wishful thinking,

or its just plain propaganda, but, whomever you are hoping to believe you

would need  to be a historical illiterate

Nonsense.

Global warming hits sea creatures hardest

"Marine life more sensitive to warming, less able to escape from heat

Summary:

Global warming has caused twice as many ocean-dwelling species as land-dwelling species to disappear from their habitats, a unique study found...

As global warming progresses, habitats are being wiped out." 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190424153608.htm

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

ipcc are disconnected from logic, or are displaying wishful thinking,

or its just plain propaganda, but, whomever ipcc are hoping to believe them

would need  to be a historical illiterate

Thank you for your authoritative opinion. 

[brokenbone]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Nonsense.

Global warming hits sea creatures hardest

"Marine life more sensitive to warming, less able to escape from heat

Summary:

Global warming has caused twice as many ocean-dwelling species as land-dwelling species to disappear from their habitats, a unique study found...

As global warming progresses, habitats are being wiped out." 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190424153608.htm

nonsense

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-temperature-biodiversity.html

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, SunsetT said:

....And methane is also (being) released by the accelerating melt of permafrost:

 

https://chinadialogue.net/blog/11165-Melting-Arctic-permafrost-could-supercharge-global-warming/en?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyPOJrq3f5wIVwyMrCh3IZg0AEAAYASAAEgLenvD_BwE

that's what he meant really

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

 My bad, wrong exhaust. 

 

Don't give them any ideas ... taxation is what the CO2 thing is all about, water is just as legit to be taxed, another natural element of our environment.

not bad.....animals release methane from both ends.

[Krataiboy]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

There are many links in the article to scientific sources. Here's one:

https://institutenorth.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/aaca-bcb.pdf.pdf

Go educate yourself.

A review of your previous postings leads me to conclude that I am not the one who needs educating on the subject under review. Hopefully, you will have learned the hard way the folly of relying unreliable pseudo-science sources like NG to plug the gaps in one's knowledge.

 

The link you kindly cited provides a fulsome acount of the adaptation needed to ensure the prosperty of arctic communities as the planet continues the natural warming process associated with our emergence from the last ice age.

 

Unfortunately, unless I have missed something, it offers no evidence nothing to validate the increasingly unlikely core hypothesis of climate alarmists that anthropogenic activity is heating up the planet to dangerous levels.

 

Must try harder.

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I notice that most deniers are also Trump supporters. Not sure that they are bonafide deniers or they just love Trump more and succumbing to his imbecility 

Hello, could this possibly be a case of guilt by association? In which case, since Mr Trump is rightly sceptical of scientific basis of the man-made global warming hypothesis and the motives behind its promulgation, I for one am happy to plead guilty.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

A review of your previous postings leads me to conclude that I am not the one who needs educating on the subject under review. Hopefully, you will have learned the hard way the folly of relying unreliable pseudo-science sources like NG to plug the gaps in one's knowledge.

 

The link you kindly cited provides a fulsome acount of the adaptation needed to ensure the prosperty of arctic communities as the planet continues the natural warming process associated with our emergence from the last ice age.

 

Unfortunately, unless I have missed something, it offers no evidence nothing to validate the increasingly unlikely core hypothesis of climate alarmists that anthropogenic activity is heating up the planet to dangerous levels.

 

Must try harder.

Got news for you. The planet had stopped warming about 5 thousand years ago.

Mid-Holocene Warm Period – About 6,000 Years Ago

" In summary, the mid-Holocene, roughly 6,000 years ago, was generally warmer than today during summer in the Northern Hemisphere. In some locations, this could be true for winter as well. Moreover, we clearly know the cause of this natural warming, and we know without doubt that this proven "astronomical" climate forcing mechanism cannot be responsible for the warming over the last 100 years."

Mid-Holocene Warm Period – About 6,000 Years Ago

 

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/mid-holocene-warm-period

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, brokenbone said:

nonsense

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-temperature-biodiversity.html

Sure, given enough time warm areas support a wider variety of life. But that's OVER TIME. It takes a long long time for habitats to recover their diversity. Ya think evolution happens overnight. That there are thousands of pre-adapted species waiting in the wings to take over? Eventually surviving species will begin to adapt and diversify into new species to take advantage of available niches. This is basic evolutionary theory. Evolution 101

The Secret behind Coral Reef Diversity? Time. Lots of Time

One of the world's premier diving destinations owes its reputation as a hot spot of marine biodiversity to being undisturbed over millions of years, according to a study led by UA ecologists. The researchers conclude that patterns of high diversity may take tens of millions of years to arise, but can be wiped out in a few years by human impacts.

https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/secret-behind-coral-reef-diversity-time-lots-time

[emptypockets]

8 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Some people, including James Lovelock, seemed determined to remain invincibly ignorant about the huge strides that renewables including solar and wind have made. Already, they've made coal uneconomical and are now taking business away from the natural gas sector as well. As for nuclear, it's far too expensive to have even the slightest chance of competing successfuly against the tumbling prices in the renewables sector.

Nonsense. The only way solar and wind have made coal uneconomical is by massive government subsidies.

An Australian Minister made that point to the tree huggers recently when he said if wind and solar are now economical you no longer need subsidies. Sudden group hug, dummy spitting and sounds of Kumbaya.

[emptypockets]

That's great news. If all the sea ice melted the ocean levels would drop.

Confused? Ice is less dense than water so it causes an increase in water level. Freeze a cup of water in your freezer and you will see what I mean.

[jany123]

On 2/19/2020 at 5:52 PM, snoop1130 said:

We know this is already happening in small island communities and this will just continue to happen gradually as more and more houses are being inundated at high tide, then at normal tide and then even at low tide.”

I hope local governments will enforce complete demolition of houses as inundation worsens, in order to maintain nice beaches... I’m thinking 100m from the high tide mark.

[emptypockets]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Nonsense.

Global warming hits sea creatures hardest

"Marine life more sensitive to warming, less able to escape from heat

Summary:

Global warming has caused twice as many ocean-dwelling species as land-dwelling species to disappear from their habitats, a unique study found...

As global warming progresses, habitats are being wiped out." 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190424153608.htm

They neglect to say that many new species are also being discovered. Seems it's only the climate change disciples who refuse to adapt to a continuously changing environment.

The environment had always changed so the climate acolytes need to wake up to this or go the way if the dinosaurs.

Too many people want things to stay the way they have always been in their lifetime. Many posts about Thailand in the good old days. Well the good old days were just that. 

Times are changing....adapt or die.

Charlie Darwin was on the money with that one.

Edited February 20, 2020 by emptypockets

[bristolboy]

34 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

That's great news. If all the sea ice melted the ocean levels would drop.

Confused? Ice is less dense than water so it causes an increase in water level. Freeze a cup of water in your freezer and you will see what I mean.

It's not your readers who are confused. You might look elsewhere closer to home. You ever hear that saying about an iceberg being 9/10 underwater. That means 1/10 of it is above water. So when it melts, that 10th is no longer above the water. It is the water. In fact, it's virtually a wash both literally and figuratively. How do you not know this?

[tomazbodner]

9 hours ago, SunsetT said:

....And methane is also (being) released by the accelerating melt of permafrost:

 

https://chinadialogue.net/blog/11165-Melting-Arctic-permafrost-could-supercharge-global-warming/en?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyPOJrq3f5wIVwyMrCh3IZg0AEAAYASAAEgLenvD_BwE

Indeed, here's a video that I should have referenced, and have now found it available to watch online. It's BBC Horizon - Global Dimming documentary. Note it's 15 years old. But what it shows how the World would look like in the future, if you look at devastating fires in California, Australia, parts of Europe, drought in lush tropical places like Thailand... it's pretty much spot on.

 

 

Long one. How they found out what's protecting us from global warming. And what trying to remove this "protection" which we're moaning about when looking at air quality outside, would do to us. Scary both ways.

 

If you just want to see what's in store... skip to 39 minutes. That's for the confused to my first post.

[bristolboy]

43 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Nonsense. The only way solar and wind have made coal uneconomical is by massive government subsidies.

An Australian Minister made that point to the tree huggers recently when he said if wind and solar are now economical you no longer need subsidies. Sudden group hug, dummy spitting and sounds of Kumbaya.

Wrong again:

Solar Costs & Wind Costs So Low They’re Cheaper Than *Existing* Coal & Nuclear — Lazard LCOE Report

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/11/22/solar-costs-wind-costs-now-so-low-theyre-competitive-with-existing-coal-nuclear-lazard-lcoe-report/

As for Australia, if there is a problem you might want to look at the government to find the cause:

Renewable Energy Developers Ready To Quit Australia Over Idiotic Government Policies

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/18/renewable-energy-developers-ready-to-quit-australia-over-idiotic-government-policies/

[bristolboy]

32 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

They neglect to say that many new species are also being discovered. Seems it's only the climate change disciples who refuse to adapt to a continuously changing environment.

The environment had always changed so the climate acolytes need to wake up to this or go the way if the dinosaurs.

Too many people want things to stay the way they have always been in their lifetime. Many posts about Thailand in the good old days. Well the good old days were just that. 

Times are changing....adapt or die.

Charlie Darwin was on the money with that one.

You seem to have confused "discovered" with "created". So what if they're still finding new species? If the reef or forest they live in is destroyed, then they're gone too. What is your point?

[overherebc]

22 hours ago, Wullie Mercer said:

With reference to the last paragraph.

I worked in deep coal mining and was of the belief that when fossil fuels burnt, bushfires in Australia, the gas given off was Carbon Monoxide not Carbon Dioxide, hence the need for canaries as detectors of Carbon Monoxide when we had underground fires???

Depends on how hot the fire is and the fuel to oxygen ratio. Coal burning gives both CO  and CO2. An open fire generally is the producer of CO2.

An old open hearth coal fire produces both but the vast majority of CO produced burns in the air at the top of the fire ( more O2 available ).

That's where you see the blue coloured flames, the blue comes from the CO  burning making CO2.

Edited February 21, 2020 by overherebc

[brokenbone]

11 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Sure, given enough time warm areas support a wider variety of life. But that's OVER TIME. It takes a long long time for habitats to recover their diversity. Ya think evolution happens overnight. That there are thousands of pre-adapted species waiting in the wings to take over? Eventually surviving species will begin to adapt and diversify into new species to take advantage of available niches. This is basic evolutionary theory. Evolution 101

The Secret behind Coral Reef Diversity? Time. Lots of Time

One of the world's premier diving destinations owes its reputation as a hot spot of marine biodiversity to being undisturbed over millions of years, according to a study led by UA ecologists. The researchers conclude that patterns of high diversity may take tens of millions of years to arise, but can be wiped out in a few years by human impacts.

https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/secret-behind-coral-reef-diversity-time-lots-time

it has been warming around 0.5 degree celsius per century since the depth of minor ice age,

any specie that cant cope with that is unfit.

to top it off it stopped warming altogether year 2000

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/research/climate-science/climate-observations-projections-and-impacts/paper1_observing_changes_in_the_climate_system.pdf

Edited February 21, 2020 by brokenbone

[brokenbone]

10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Wrong again:

Solar Costs & Wind Costs So Low They’re Cheaper Than *Existing* Coal & Nuclear — Lazard LCOE Report

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/11/22/solar-costs-wind-costs-now-so-low-theyre-competitive-with-existing-coal-nuclear-lazard-lcoe-report/

As for Australia, if there is a problem you might want to look at the government to find the cause:

Renewable Energy Developers Ready To Quit Australia Over Idiotic Government Policies

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/18/renewable-energy-developers-ready-to-quit-australia-over-idiotic-government-policies/

this is unbecoming, its pure illiterate propaganda with no understanding whatsoever

about what is going on. educate yourself, this is a pro renewable engineer btw

 

[overherebc]

12 hours ago, emptypockets said:

That's great news. If all the sea ice melted the ocean levels would drop.

Confused? Ice is less dense than water so it causes an increase in water level. Freeze a cup of water in your freezer and you will see what I mean.

If the sea-ice is frozen sea water then when it melts it will make no difference to sea levels.

If the ice melting is from glacier ice that forms on land then it's adding to the water already in the sea so levels will rise.