7 minutes ago, Redline said:

???????????? you got the story down congratulations!  Are you looking for an ambassadorship?

What are trying to say? What point are you bringing here? Are you perhaps in agreement to degree on some points, not on others, would like to add, detract? Apply a different perspective? Correct me? What ? What do you bring?

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5 hours ago, gargamon said:

Obviously they want to help Bernie as they see him as the easiest candidate for Trump to beat. And the general populace is dumb enough to fall for it. It worked with them in 2016 when they got Trump elected the first time.

Go back to 2004.  The GOP wanted Kerry to get the Dem nomination because they had the playbook on him all set and ready.  Remember that famous sound that Howard Dean made when he found out he lost NH?  That was the sound a man getting politically eff-ed.  Rove et al ran Kerry ads in NH.  And then came the swift boats, all as planned.  But Kerry could have had a better campaign, and with a little more presence and charisma (or ANY charisma) he would have won. 

These days, from things that have slipped out from the likes of Bannon and DT it appears that they have the whole game plan on Bernie ready to go, probably laid it out 4years ago.  And it's gonna be ugly if Bernie gets the nom.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Redline said:

So block the truth-the death of America.  I don’t think everyone is convinced Trump will win.  He is a complete loser conspiracy theorist anyway-if you believe him, I suppose you believe all the communists and authoritarians-a pathetic weak minded child

Factually, all kidding or side taking put to the side. The Democrats are in big trouble going into this election. 

 

Can you image poor Barack Obama has to come out and support a communist or an Billionaire oligarch Bloomberg known for far more racist comments then they ever could dream up on Trump. A man who used his money to break the DNC rules. Think about that.

 

Now when you respond, please try and do so without talking about Trump. You don't see the DNC, and Intel apparatus both, conspiring against Bernie?

17 minutes ago, candide said:

My neighbours are conspiring against me. Can you refute it?

I believe you, and can understand why. Perhaps you should do them a favour and move.

7 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Go back to 2004.  The GOP wanted Kerry to get the Dem nomination because they had the playbook on him all set and ready.  Remember that famous sound that Howard Dean made when he found out he lost NH?  That was the sound a man getting politically eff-ed.  Rove et al ran Kerry ads in NH.  And then came the swift boats, all as planned.  But Kerry could have had a better campaign, and with a little more presence and charisma (or ANY charisma) he would have won. 

These days, from things that have slipped out from the likes of Bannon and DT it appears that they have the whole game plan on Bernie ready to go, probably laid it out 4years ago.  And it's gonna be ugly if Bernie gets the nom.

 

 

Bernie is a socialist  the game plan is obvious, just let Bernie speak for himself as a socialist

As for Kerry, he has the charisma of a dust covered rock. Doomed never to be President.

17 minutes ago, bendejo said:

And it's gonna be ugly if Bernie gets the nom.

I think it's gonna get ugly, inside and outside, at the Democrat National Convention if Bernie does NOT get the nomination.

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On 2/21/2020 at 2:39 AM, Cryingdick said:

Foreigners weaponizing social media... hmmm. How is Russia any different showing up on social media sites and supporting a candidate than say outraged Brits taking the dem side?

 

In the past I thought it was the consensus that people from anywhere are welcome to speak their mind about American politics? Hacking? As if the dems are above trying to do the same thing. If only they could get their app running.

 

 

Have you ever heard of the troll factory in St. Petersburg? And I don't mean the one in Florida, but the one in Russia. I even believe they opened a second one, because there was so much work that one troll factory simply couldn't handle it all. Hundreds and hundreds of people work there around the clock, just to throw as much disinformation into the world as they can.

42 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

What are trying to say? What point are you bringing here? Are you perhaps in agreement to degree on some points, not on others, would like to add, detract? Apply a different perspective? Correct me? What ? What do you bring?

You are towing the propaganda line, but I am shocked you moved on from Hillary-thank you ???????? 

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

Yeah Lets see 17 cases of FISA abuse, 2 failed attempts to impeach the potus. The top two heads of the FBI documented liars. It aint over, Durham is investigating exactly that, meanwhile they all take jobs at CNN, CNBC.....and you think you need a tinfoil hat to see it?

Funny how you obsess about other people lying, but not Trump.  Also funny that you find it suspicious that CNN and CNBC hire qualified, experienced experts.  Perhaps you should be concerned about the news sources that don't.

13 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Have you ever heard of the troll factory in St. Petersburg? And I don't mean the one in Florida, but the one in Russia. I even believe they opened a second one, because there was so much work that one troll factory simply couldn't handle it all. Hundreds and hundreds of people work there around the clock, just to throw as much disinformation into the world as they can.

Source please.

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

Make up your minds are they helping Trump or a communist who's closer to

their thinking?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html

 

 

As has been explained, they are helping both, and doing anything else they can to discredit the election.

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

Let me help, elites representing a worldview best explained by Clinton, Bush II , Obama, once called the two headed coin, is attempting to ensure no outsiders to this consensus gain control of power in the USA, while they oppose Trump, they likewise oppose Bernie. Which is not to say that Trump or Sanders are aligned, except in opposition to this consensus. Think; Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, Hillary Clinton, Obama...they all talk different but put forward the same <deleted> in a different envelope. 

 

Some people don't realize that anyone who opposes the consensus must be opposed. Msnbc, Cnn, etc are their mouthpieces. FOX had lost its neo-conservative center during later Obama years, but now they got Paul Ryan on the board and now they are re-shaping themselves again to Neocon central again.

 

People here look at policy outcomes sometimes but dont follow the whole story. People accuse Trump as big bully strongman. So strong, right. But fighting the battle of his life against a bureaucracy that rose to claim their power and have been trying to remove him.

 

Assisted by the professors out there who constantly post MSNBC links that quote absolute nobodies reporting from spoonfed anon intel sources. They are on the payroll. This is a first for me.

 

Yeah, a conspiracy, but not a theory.

Ok, then it's not a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy opinion, and a far-fetched one at that.

Just now, Redline said:

You are towing the propaganda line, but I am shocked you moved on from Hillary-thank you ???????? 

Once again, I have no idea what point you are trying to make. What propaganda line? For who? I was for Trump's policies before he was even a candidate. 

38 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Factually, all kidding or side taking put to the side. The Democrats are in big trouble going into this election. 

 

Can you image poor Barack Obama has to come out and support a communist or an Billionaire oligarch Bloomberg known for far more racist comments then they ever could dream up on Trump. A man who used his money to break the DNC rules. Think about that.

 

Now when you respond, please try and do so without talking about Trump. You don't see the DNC, and Intel apparatus both, conspiring against Bernie?

The DNC is screwed.  Bernie is not a communist ????

How is Bloomberg an oligarch ???? I credit you for memorizing talking points!

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Ok, then it's not a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy opinion, and a far-fetched one at that.

Call it what you like, but Durham is most likely 4 or 5 months out at best. My opinion might get advanced.

27 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I think it's gonna get ugly, inside and outside, at the Democrat National Convention if Bernie does NOT get the nomination.

 

If Bernie gets the nomination, it will almost certainly mean the Republicans will keep the Senate and probably gain some House seats back. The Republicans will paint every Democrat running as either a Socialist or a Socialist friendly candidate.

 

Bernie by the fact of being a self proclaimed Socialist will not be able to assist many of the Democratic down ballot candidates get elected.

 

Then even if Bernie does get elected President, he will not be effective with a Republican Senate majority. Mitch will not allow any of Bernie's big programs to happen and Mitch will also not allow any Supreme Court judges to be confirmed.

6 minutes ago, Redline said:

The DNC is screwed.  Bernie is not a communist ????

How is Bloomberg an oligarch ???? I credit you for memorizing talking points!

Thanks for giving my memory credit, but I roll this on the fly. Bernie has always been a Communist, just like everyone else who belongs to an organization where people refer to themselves as comrade. As for Bloomberg. Take definition two and yes we all know he isn't Russian, but it's a nice word that still fits:

ol·i·garch

/ˈäləˌɡärk/

Learn to pronounce

noun

1. 1.

   a ruler in an oligarchy.

    
2. 2.

   (especially in Russia) a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence.

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Just now, WalkingOrders said:

Thanks for giving my memory credit, but I roll this on the fly. Bernie has always been a Communist, just like everyone else who belongs to an organization where people refer to themselves as comrade. As for Bllomberg. Take definition two and yes we all know he isn't Russian, but it's a nice word that still fits:

ol·i·garch

/ˈäləˌɡärk/

Learn to pronounce

noun

1. 1.

   a ruler in an oligarchy.

    
2. 2.

   (especially in Russia) a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence.

????

"The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity"

Fake News!, Liars!, and Cowards!

48 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Source please.

Just Google "troll factory st. petersburg" and you will get tons of sources. Like these ones:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-troll-factory.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/15/594062887/some-russians-see-u-s-investigation-into-russian-election-meddling-as-a-soap-ope?t=1582361599583

49 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Thanks for giving my memory credit, but I roll this on the fly. Bernie has always been a Communist, just like everyone else who belongs to an organization where people refer to themselves as comrade. As for Bloomberg. Take definition two and yes we all know he isn't Russian, but it's a nice word that still fits:

ol·i·garch

/ˈäləˌɡärk/

Learn to pronounce

noun

1. 1.

   a ruler in an oligarchy.

    
2. 2.

   (especially in Russia) a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence.

Still can’t differentiate between socialist and communist. By the way, is subsidy a socialist act? 

26 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Just Google "troll factory st. petersburg" and you will get tons of sources. Like these ones:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-troll-factory.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/15/594062887/some-russians-see-u-s-investigation-into-russian-election-meddling-as-a-soap-ope?t=1582361599583

Or you could just keep up as he admitted he did.

1 hour ago, KenKadz said:

"The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity"

Fake News!, Liars!, and Cowards!

Why is it fake. How do you kmow its a lie. A coward is one thst refuses to hear evidence.

Troll post removed

9 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I am not sure with this new fangled thing called the internet it can ever be stopped. Who really changes their vote from dem to Trump because of Russian bots? 

If true, why campaign at all?

the barking carnival clown will go to the lowest of lows to get elected /the number of court cases agents him when out of office are unreal /a lot with jail able sentences / for him and family/  corruption and money laundering are some

5 hours ago, Redline said:

  Bernie is not a communist ????

How is Bloomberg an oligarch ???? I credit you for memorizing talking points!

 

Sure, Trump loves Russia and Putin, why just look what he did Tuesday to help their green economy. He announced new sanctions on a subsidiary of Russian oil company Rosneft for helping Venezuela evade sanctions on oil exports meant to squeeze the Maduro regime.

 

The difference between a communist and a socialist is a socialist is to stupid to know he is a communist!

 

 

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8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Re 2016, the truth hurts...don't it....

 

But Trump wasn't elected BY Russia, since they can't vote here (at least not yet). He was elected BECAUSE of Russia... So Putin has his man in the White House.

 

Nonsense. There is zero evidence that Russia had any effect on the votes cast. 

 

ZERO. 

 

Accept it and move on. The same thing for his reelection. Zero Russian influence on the vote. 

 

Stop the madness 

To Mr. Heybruce    -Doesn't matter how many posts I have put in Thai visa forum ,what matters is real ,true facts. You may have your opinion and stick to it. I will base my opinion only on the facts confirmed to be correct and true. Hillary Clinton lost the elections in 2016 because people voted for Trump to be the president. That's it.  Get over it. No Russia meddling, they don't need to meddle at all. 

And the losers repeat and repeat their stupid story, they seem to be insane . No wonder Trump is getting more popular, and you can't accuse Russia for that.

Have a nice day 

4 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Nonsense. There is zero evidence that Russia had any effect on the votes cast. 

 

ZERO. 

 

Just the Wikileaks disclosures alone, followed by the Justice Department's publicly announced investigation and then reopened investigation on the eve of the election, was enough to sink Clinton's campaign among many voters. And all that adding to Clinton's own negatives.

 

Then there was the mountain of fake and misleading social media content that the Russians mounted, as layed out in the Mueller report.

 

For anyone to argue all of that had no effect in swaying public opinion is nonsense.