1 hour ago, looking on the bright side said:

To Mr.Haybruce  -  The number of posts here is not an intellectual achievement, everybody can have his or her say.  You may think or believe what you want . What I said was the Russians couldn't and didn't influence the elections in the US. They wouldn't even try.  Hillary Clinton -the worst candidate ever . Also ,it seems something is wrong with her. If she can't get over her defeat, and  if she blames some other country for her shocking loss, it is a sign she may need medical help. All this Russiagate  blah-blah is to cover her trickery and corruption.

Have a nice day !

Mr Suddenly posting defense of Russian interference in the US elections.

 

Russian interference in the 2016 election is a matter of fact confirmed by multiple suspect intelligence services.

 

 

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

Trump will be re-elected due to lack of credible opposition.

 

Are Russia behind that too?

No you are behind the assertion you made.

 

You might have a time machine, otherwise your opinion is simply that, an opinion.

 

Of course I do not rule out your opinions being influenced by others.

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

They have. What do you have in mind? Shutdown of the internet? A military attack on Russia? 

Funding cyber security.

Provide integrated cyber security across all states. 

Revert to a paper ballot.

 

Would be a start

The Democrats already know that there is no way in hell they can beat Trump in 2020, so the best way to save face is to iie and make up a story about Russia

helpping Trump.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

You clearly can't see the trend.  Russia has been meddling, or attempting to meddle, in US elections for a long time.  They upped their game significantly in 2016, and according to US intelligence agencies they are attempting the same in 2020.  I'm sure they did what they could in 2018, but Presidential elections are of greatest interest to them.

 

When did I or anyone else ever claim that Russian only meddled in the 2016 election?

Because it is the only election that you seem to be worried about

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

You clearly can't see the trend.  Russia has been meddling, or attempting to meddle, in US elections for a long time.  They upped their game significantly in 2016, and according to US intelligence agencies they are attempting the same in 2020.  I'm sure they did what they could in 2018, but Presidential elections are of greatest interest to them.

 

When did I or anyone else ever claim that Russian only meddled in the 2016 election?

Can you please provide details of this significant increase in election meddling. What was increased and by how much? And even more importantly, what votes were effected and by how much? 

5 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Because it is the only election that you seem to be worried about

Because it became so prominent with trump asking russia to help. The next election and elections after that are what worries most.

 

Do you care if a foreign govt interferes in an election?

Just now, Chiphigh said:

Can you please provide details of this significant increase in election meddling. What was increased and by how much? And even more importantly, what votes were effected and by how much? 

Increased by so much that every intelligence agency agreed it was a big issue.

 

How would you know if your own view has been vhanged by that interference considering you are not aware of it.

 

Im sure you think the russians just do it for fun and dont think any of it works.

12 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Because it is the only election that you seem to be worried about

They did interfere, but far from the same level as in 2016. No significant hack and leak, social media have implemented processes to identify unusual patterns, etc...

The win has also not been dependent on only a few number of votes, unlike in 2016.

Edited February 23, 20206 yr by candide

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

The only fact that I stated is that there is no way of knowing how the 2016 election would have turned out if there had been no Russian meddling.  You stated as fact that the meddling had no affect.  That is wrong.

There can be no statement of fact about effects on the vote, simply because there is no such quantifiable evidence. 

 

How much effect did the media have tin promoting Hillary Clinton? Certainly exponentially more than some Facebook ads. How much effect did Hillary Clinton have by hiring foreign agents to provide phony dossiers and leak them to the complicit media? 

 

But you have no problem with that interference? 

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

Regardless of whether Russia is interfering or not, there is now discord and distrust among the Americans themselves. Trump has been the most divisive president ever. In his mind, even the intelligence and judiciary is working against him. 
All these just weakens America. I’d imagine that Russia and China (and lots of other nations) are ecstatic about this. 

25 minutes ago, doggie1955 said:

The Democrats already know that there is no way in hell they can beat Trump in 2020, so the best way to save face is to iie and make up a story about Russia

helpping Trump.

While the actual evidence is Trump is actively blocking/frustrating efforts to combat Russian interference.

 

Tge logical conclusion is he feels he needs their help to win.

13 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

There can be no statement of fact about effects on the vote, simply because there is no such quantifiable evidence. 

 

How much effect did the media have tin promoting Hillary Clinton? Certainly exponentially more than some Facebook ads. How much effect did Hillary Clinton have by hiring foreign agents to provide phony dossiers and leak them to the complicit media? 

 

But you have no problem with that interference? 

Nothing in the dossier has been proven false. The dossier was not compiled by a foreign govt.

 

The media is not a foreign govt.

 

That you can or cannot prove any effect does not mean it should be allowed. 

 

Are you ok with a foreign govt interfering in am election?

13 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

There can be no statement of fact about effects on the vote, simply because there is no such quantifiable evidence. 

 

How much effect did the media have tin promoting Hillary Clinton? Certainly exponentially more than some Facebook ads. How much effect did Hillary Clinton have by hiring foreign agents to provide phony dossiers and leak them to the complicit media? 

 

But you have no problem with that interference? 

Another phony argument.

The dossier was not phony. Part of it has been already corroborated, and only a few assertions debunked.

It was leaked after the election, so had no impact.

The Russian interference has been assessed as illegal, but not the Fusion GPS investigation.

1 minute ago, candide said:

Another phony argument.

The dossier was not phony. Part of it has been already corroborated, and only a few assertions debunked.

It was leaked after the election, so had no impact.

The Russian interference has been assessed as illegal, but not the Fusion GPS investigation.

Nonsense. 

 

The dossier was innuendo and unfounded in its entirety. 

 

It is amazing to see the double standards to justify your bias. 

2 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Nonsense. 

 

The dossier was innuendo and unfounded in its entirety. 

 

It is amazing to see the double standards to justify your bias. 

According to Trump's tweets, lol!

Significant parts of it has been corroborated by the Mueller report.

https://www.businessinsider.com/steele-dossier-allegations-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-2019-1

 

But maybe you also claim the Mueller report was phony, too.

 

Anyway, it was leaked after the election so your argument fails in any case. It could not have influenced voters.

A post using an intentional misspelling of the Democrat party has been removed. 

3 hours ago, looking on the bright side said:

To Mr.Haybruce  -  The number of posts here is not an intellectual achievement, everybody can have his or her say.  You may think or believe what you want . What I said was the Russians couldn't and didn't influence the elections in the US. They wouldn't even try.  Hillary Clinton -the worst candidate ever . Also ,it seems something is wrong with her. If she can't get over her defeat, and  if she blames some other country for her shocking loss, it is a sign she may need medical help. All this Russiagate  blah-blah is to cover her trickery and corruption.

Have a nice day !

Yes, they did try.  All the US intelligence agencies agree they tried.  The Mueller Report describes what they did.  Warrants have been issued for those known to have been part of the interference.

 

You are denying what is well known and obvious.

1 hour ago, Chiphigh said:

Can you please provide details of this significant increase in election meddling. What was increased and by how much? And even more importantly, what votes were effected and by how much? 

Regarding your first question; Russia used social media more than before.  Everyone used social media more in 2016 than in 2012 or earlier, but most did not use it to undermine elections.    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-socialmedia-idUSKBN1OG257

 

Regarding your second question; please refer to my earlier post about counterfactuals.  If you still don't understand, look up the definition of "counterfactual". 

 

1 hour ago, Chiphigh said:

There can be no statement of fact about effects on the vote, simply because there is no such quantifiable evidence. 

 

How much effect did the media have tin promoting Hillary Clinton? Certainly exponentially more than some Facebook ads. How much effect did Hillary Clinton have by hiring foreign agents to provide phony dossiers and leak them to the complicit media? 

 

But you have no problem with that interference? 

And yet you stated as a fact that Russian meddling had no influence on the vote.  Are you running away from your own posts?

 

The media, always more interested in ratings than elections, gave Trump far more free promotion than Hillary Clinton.  And paying for opposition research is legal, secretly accepting it for free from foreign governments is not.

A post using a trolling representation of Mitch McConnell's name has been removed. 

 

Some posts bickering about language usage have been removed:

 

Forum Netiquette:

 

3. If possible please proofread your post first, poor grammar and spelling can make the post difficult to understand. However be aware that not every member is a native English speaker and excessive posts regarding others spelling and grammar not only hijacks the topic but is poor netiquette.

The real villain  is  cnn , msnbc, abc , cbs  all these primetime fake news organizations  who are dividing country making americans  hate each other .   democrat as always are selling the country little by little 

On 2/21/2020 at 10:10 AM, TheDark said:

I guess all those adjectives depends largely where your loyalty stands. If you are pro Russian, then you are most likely intelligent freedom fighter, doing his best for the motherland. 

 

If however you are pro USA, then you, the robot, have done great deal of harm by disuniting country and made it in war within itself. I guess one could call such actions as treasonous, if done professionally.

 

Breaking up large and powerful countries is a dangerous business. Had Ukraine not given up her nukes when SU dismantled itself, the situation in Crimea and Eastern-Ukraine could be quite different at the moment.

Russia doesn't  want Trump they want a dem because they want someone to stop building up the military

41 minutes ago, muffy said:

Russia doesn't  want Trump they want a dem because they want someone to stop building up the military

Quick, go tell every intelligence agency they are wrong.

 

Like taking money away from the military to build a wall. 

 

Like using charity donations to vets to use for his election campaign.

 

Why do you want to build up the military when one of your core promises is to bring troops home?

Edited February 23, 20206 yr by Sujo

20 hours ago, allen303 said:

 

Sure, Trump loves Russia and Putin, why just look what he did Tuesday to help their green economy. He announced new sanctions on a subsidiary of Russian oil company Rosneft for helping Venezuela evade sanctions on oil exports meant to squeeze the Maduro regime.

 

The difference between a communist and a socialist is a socialist is to stupid to know he is a communist!

 

 

Nope

3 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Nonsense. 

 

The dossier was innuendo and unfounded in its entirety. 

 

It is amazing to see the double standards to justify your bias. 

Do you have a link supporting your fact the dossier is inuendo and unfounded in its entirety. Or is that your view dressed up as a fact.

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No you are behind the assertion you made.

 

You might have a time machine, otherwise your opinion is simply that, an opinion.

 

Of course I do not rule out your opinions being influenced by others.

 

it is nonetheless my opinion and you are entitled to it.

3 hours ago, candide said:

According to Trump's tweets, lol!

Significant parts of it has been corroborated by the Mueller report.

https://www.businessinsider.com/steele-dossier-allegations-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-2019-1

 

But maybe you also claim the Mueller report was phony, too.

 

Anyway, it was leaked after the election so your argument fails in any case. It could not have influenced voters.

Wrong. The dossier was a fabrication. The dossier was submitted prior to the election. Steele was desperate to get it into the media 

2 hours ago, muffy said:

Russia doesn't  want Trump they want a dem because they want someone to stop building up the military

Yeah Don has been just so easy on Vlad. Guess thats why we are sending the 3rd ID with 300 tanks to Europe for some "training". Wonder what Bernie would do?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a31045566/baby-yoda-army-tank/

 

Note the 3rd ID is one of the most storied units in the US military...the "Rock of the Marne" as its called.

Edited February 23, 20206 yr by Nyezhov