Russia is trying to help Trump win in 2020, lawmakers warned

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, riclag said:

"Perhaps if you considered the possibility Trump's financing for his house of cards may come from Russian oligarchs, Putin's motivation may be clearer to you"

 

 Hard core, Conspiracy theories!  

Which could be kicked to the curb by Trump releasing his tax returns ( a campaign promise he has yet to keep).

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

President Trump owned by Russian oligarchs thus Putin because neither he nor you have released tax returns sounds like another conspiracy theory. Like Russian collusion. You do know the IRS (under Obama) saw all of Trump's tax returns, right?

There’s a point you are missing.

 

Trump

made a campaign promise to release his tax returns.

 

 

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Got it. Just that we are polar opposite. I am for transparency and decency for POTUS to release his tax return as practiced by previous POTUS. Don’t we want to know what he is hiding. Many decent Americans want to know. Ok not you. 

Nope, not me.

 

The fact that you try to ride the moral high horse with your use of the word "decent" and use it as a thinly vieled ad hominem is telling and demonstrates again why President Trump is President and will be relected.

 

You cant win elections by openly and blatantly despising your fellow citizens based on your view of what is right or decent.

 

Have a great day and welcome to my ignore list.

 

[Nyezhov]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Irs would not care about the source of his financing, 

A totally nonsensical statement. Thats part of what the IRS does.

[riclag]

43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which could be kicked to the curb by Trump releasing his tax returns ( a campaign promise he has yet to keep).

 

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which could be kicked to the curb by Trump releasing his tax returns ( a campaign promise he has yet to keep).

No need to prove anything to the haters and socialist,He has met the election requirements twice!

[stevenl]

41 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

A totally nonsensical statement. Thats part of what the IRS does.

No. As long as legal, eg loan from Russia via db or directly from private person in Russia it is all ok with irs.

[simple1]

9 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

I guess I could ask the same question. But hey, its all good. President Trump will be reelected in a landslide, life will go on and the netizens will keep on yowling.

trump is a long time supporter of Breitbart and it's conspiracy theories as well as other alt right proponents; including having in his advisory team White Supremacists. Yet you condemn CNN as similar to Breitbart. Really need to sort out your messaging in support of trump. BTW it is trump whose "yowling" exceeds all others.

Edited February 23, 2020 by simple1

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Or he is trolling the conspiracists. President Obama was great at that with the birth certificate stuff. He even got President Trump with that one.

Obama released his birth certificate before the 2008 Democratic Convention.  How is that trolling?

 

" Theories have persisted despite Obama's pre-election release of his official Hawaiian birth certificate in 2008,^[4] confirmation by the Hawaii Department of Health based on the original documents,^[5] the April 2011 release of a certified copy of Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth (or long-form birth certificate), and contemporaneous birth announcements published in Hawaii newspapers.^[6]   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

 

People who bought into the birther nonsense are idiots.  People like Trump who promoted it are con men.

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Like I said, I really dont care. Nor do most other people. And if there was something in the tax returns that mattered the IRS would have been all over it already. And people know that too.

I see, you are an expert on how the IRS operates now.

 

And I always thought the IRS just spot-checked some returns to make sure income was reported and the required taxes paid.  I didn't know they dug deep into where the income came from.  I also didn't know they checked for conflicts of interest between the source of income and the job of elected officials.

[Curt1591]

10 hours ago, candide said:

According to you, Putin is a socialist?

No. But they are both are about government control.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Curt1591

[Curt1591]

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The only President in the history of the USA to refuse to release his tax records. What does that tell you? I'm no expert, but it says he has something to hide.

I can't remember any president's tax records ever being requested. However, with every news angency performing an anal exam on the man, you think they could come up with some besides "he said, she said".

[TopDeadSenter]

Well they say a day is a long time in politics. CNN has just retracted it's claims about Russia interfering to give Trump a win in 2020. Can't say I'm surprised as I said all along this was fake news. Nice to be proven correct (yet again!)

 

The US intelligence community has assessed that Russia is interfering in the 2020 election and has separately assessed that Russia views Trump as a leader they can work with. But the US does not have evidence that Russia's interference this cycle is aimed at reelecting Trump, the officials said.

"The intelligence doesn't say that," one senior national security official told CNN. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/intelligence-briefer-russian-interference-trump-sanders/index.html

 

Ouch!!!

[rabas]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well there was that Syria thing..., oops!

You mean twice President Trump fired hundreds of advanced ground hugging cruise missiles deep into Syria right past Russia's vaulted missile defence systems, making Putin look like a blithering fool on the world stage? The first time right past Russians stationed a chemical weapons launch site.

 

opps?  Pfft

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by rabas

[rabas]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I see, you are an expert on how the IRS operates now.

 

And I always thought the IRS just spot-checked some returns to make sure income was reported and the required taxes paid.  I didn't know they dug deep into where the income came from.  I also didn't know they checked for conflicts of interest between the source of income and the job of elected officials.

I see, you are not an expert on how the IRS operates.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

 

In 2013 (Obama), the IRS revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes. This led to wide condemnation of the agency and triggered several investigations,

 

In October 2017, the Trump Administration agreed to settle a lawsuit filed on behalf of more than four hundred conservative nonprofit groups who claimed that they had been discriminated against by the Internal Revenue Service for an undisclosed amount described by plaintiffs' counsel as "very substantial." The Trump Administration also agreed to settle a second lawsuit brought by forty-one conservative organizations with an apology and an admission that subjecting them to "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" was wrongful.

[heybruce]

28 minutes ago, rabas said:

I see, you are not an expert on how the IRS operates.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

 

In 2013 (Obama), the IRS revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes. This led to wide condemnation of the agency and triggered several investigations,

 

In October 2017, the Trump Administration agreed to settle a lawsuit filed on behalf of more than four hundred conservative nonprofit groups who claimed that they had been discriminated against by the Internal Revenue Service for an undisclosed amount described by plaintiffs' counsel as "very substantial." The Trump Administration also agreed to settle a second lawsuit brought by forty-one conservative organizations with an apology and an admission that subjecting them to "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" was wrongful.

Was Trump one of those receiving intensive scrutiny?  Did this scrutiny go beyond the normal verification that income was properly reported and the required tax paid?  Did the scrutiny look for funding from questionable sources or conflicts of interest between funding sources and elected officials?

 

Your link does not in any way support the claim that " if there was something in the tax returns that mattered the IRS would have been all over it already. ".  That was what my post was in reply to.

[Curt1591]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Well they say a day is a long time in politics. CNN has just retracted it's claims about Russia interfering to give Trump a win in 2020. Can't say I'm surprised as I said all along this was fake news. Nice to be proven correct (yet again!)

 

The US intelligence community has assessed that Russia is interfering in the 2020 election and has separately assessed that Russia views Trump as a leader they can work with. But the US does not have evidence that Russia's interference this cycle is aimed at reelecting Trump, the officials said.

"The intelligence doesn't say that," one senior national security official told CNN. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/intelligence-briefer-russian-interference-trump-sanders/index.html

 

Ouch!!!

Next ?

[Nyezhov]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

trump is a long time supporter of Breitbart and it's conspiracy theories as well as other alt right proponents; including having in his advisory team White Supremacists. Yet you condemn CNN as similar to Breitbart. Really need to sort out your messaging in support of trump. BTW it is trump whose "yowling" exceeds all others.

But hes still going to win in 2020, and this whole topic may be an excersize in discussing fake news anyway.

 

PS Calling some one who you dont agree with politcally an "ist" doesnt work in America anymore. "ist" has been beaten to death and name calling convinces no one anymore.....

 

Unless its the word Socialist: Americans still react to that. Unfavourably. 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

CNN has just retracted it's claims about Russia interfering<SNIP

Spin. In fact CNN reported upon updated info provided by Govt representative

[simple1]

23 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

But hes still going to win in 2020, and this whole topic may be an excersize in discussing fake news anyway.

 

PS Calling some one who you dont agree with politcally an "ist" doesnt work in America anymore. "ist" has been beaten to death and name calling convinces no one anymore.....

 

Unless its the word Socialist: Americans still react to that. Unfavourably. 

Happy to read your acceptance of truth - makes a change! However, use of the phase "fake news', especially by trump, is IMO truly childish.A word ending in "ist", if in fact I did so is fine; TVF is not a domain for US cultural imperialism.

 

Again out of curiosity, how would you handle trump losing the 11/20 election?

Edited February 24, 2020 by simple1

[TheAppletons]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Spin. In fact CNN reported upon updated info provided by Govt representative

  Probably true....which speaks volumes about CNN's proclivity to run with anti-Trump headlines without regard to actual journalistic due diligence.  

 

 

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

  Probably true....which speaks volumes about CNN's proclivity to run with anti-Trump headlines without regard to actual journalistic due diligence.  

 

 

Quiet the opposite. It demonstrates CNN reporting professionalism rather than never apologising / providing truth as is the case with the trump administration

[Nyezhov]

13 minutes ago, simple1 said:

In fact CNN reported upon updated info provided by Govt representative

That proved their breathless breaking news was, as usual, false/spin/propaganda.

 

CNNs ratings demonstrate its worth as a source for anyhting except maybe travel stories. Brietbart is more trustworthy. 

[TheAppletons]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Quiet the opposite. It demonstrates CNN reporting professionalism rather than never apologising / providing truth as is the case with the trump administration

  Up until 2016, most Americans would have told you that Fox "News" was the most heavily opinionated "news" organization in the country.

 

  Post-2016, CNN assumed that mantle.  They've completely destroyed their credibility.  

[Nyezhov]

12 minutes ago, simple1 said:

TVF is not a domain for US cultural imperialism.

Hey mate, if it makes you feel better, y'all keep on thinking that what you say from the Great Land of the Antipodes matters to the US citizens who will be voting in a few short months. 

 

It doesnt.

 

The bottom line of this topic, however, is apparently CNN fake news again. I guess thats the cultural imperialism you are referring to.  

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

Up until 2016, most Americans would have told you that Fox "News" was the most heavily opinionated "news" organization in the country.

And now the most watched news organization. Its a place where even Mayor Pete and Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang can appear. Must be fair and balanced to some Democrats.

[TheAppletons]

8 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

And now the most watched news organization. Its a place where even Mayor Pete and Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang can appear. Must be fair and balanced to some Democrats.

 

  True story.

 

  In 2004, I was in a small conference room (about 20 people) with Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes.  Open discussion forum.

 

  Someone else in our group asked him about "fair and balanced" when, in that person's opinion, Fox was obviously slanted toward a conservative viewpoint.  Ailes said (I'm paraphrasing) that "the other networks are so far left, we just "seem" to be conservative by comparison."  

 

  It's what I would have said if I were him and I sort of chuckled to myself.  Nowadays, I'm not so sure he was wrong.

 

  Bonus coverage:  someone else asked Murdoch how they could classify Fox as a "family channel" when all of their news anchors were hot, large breasted blonde women, lol.  

 

  

[Nyezhov]

31 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Again out of curiosity, how would you handle trump losing the 11/20 election?

Well it depends on Congress and who the winner of the election is, but in general, Id buy lots of gold and run to the accountant to see how fast we can get rid of the investments that the Democratic party will destroy. 

 

 

 

 

[heybruce]

55 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

  Probably true....which speaks volumes about CNN's proclivity to run with anti-Trump headlines without regard to actual journalistic due diligence.  

 

 

As opposed to Fox News'/Sean Hannity's proclivity to run a Russian initiated conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton being responsible for murder.  Sean Hannity has never retracted that lie.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/452157-russias-foreign-intelligence-service-secretly-planted-fake-report-that-seth

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/05/sean-hannity-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory-disgrace/

[TheAppletons]

8 minutes ago, heybruce said:

As opposed to Fox News'/Sean Hannity's proclivity to run a Russian initiated conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton being responsible for murder.  Sean Hannity has never retracted that lie.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/452157-russias-foreign-intelligence-service-secretly-planted-fake-report-that-seth

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/05/sean-hannity-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory-disgrace/

  Oh brother, you will never get an argument from me that Sean Hannity is an opinion journalist.

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

  Oh brother, you will never get an argument from me that Sean Hannity is an opinion journalist.

Nor me. Hes an Talk Show Host.