3 hours ago, heybruce said:

And yet you stated as a fact that Russian meddling had no influence on the vote.  Are you running away from your own posts?

 

The media, always more interested in ratings than elections, gave Trump far more free promotion than Hillary Clinton.  And paying for opposition research is legal, secretly accepting it for free from foreign governments is not.

You have convinced yourself that Russia influenced the vote to Trump’s favor. You can't say how, but you are still convinced people couldn't possibly have made their own decisions. 

 

The majority of the media is in lock step with your party and pushes that agenda nonstop, and yet you think that this has no effect or Deflect to make a vacuous point. 

 

Get over it. 

 

The dems have no viable solution. Trump will be reelected 

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Regarding your first question; Russia used social media more than before.  Everyone used social media more in 2016 than in 2012 or earlier, but most did not use it to undermine elections.    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-socialmedia-idUSKBN1OG257

 

Regarding your second question; please refer to my earlier post about counterfactuals.  If you still don't understand, look up the definition of "counterfactual". 

 

Bruce, you'll have to come up with a viable reply, not vague statements. 

 

The lame attempts at pseudo intellectual superiority are embarrassing. 

6 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Wrong. The dossier was a fabrication. The dossier was submitted prior to the election. Steele was desperate to get it into the media 

You have nothing to support your claim.

Parts of the dossier have been corroborated by the Mueller report (I.e. the link I provided). That's fact. Unless you also claim the Mueller report is phony.

 

The date of the submission is irrelevant. Your claim was that the Steele dossier may have influenced elections. It was leaked after elections so there is no way it could have influenced voters.

Next?

11 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Yeah Don has been just so easy on Vlad. Guess thats why we are sending the 3rd ID with 300 tanks to Europe for some "training". Wonder what Bernie would do?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a31045566/baby-yoda-army-tank/

 

Note the 3rd ID is one of the most storied units in the US military...the "Rock of the Marne" as its called.

The tanks are an ongoing commitment linked to the Operation Atlantic Resolve following the wake of the Russia invasion of Ukraine in 2014. You unnecessarily gave Trump undeserved credit, 

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The tanks are an ongoing commitment linked to the Operation Atlantic Resolve following the wake of the Russia invasion of Ukraine in 2014. You unnecessarily gave Trump undeserved credit, 

There are no "ongoing commitments". There are Presidential decisions to continue a policy or commitment, or not as the case may be. 

 

Im curious though? What has President Trump done, or not done to show that he is being soft on Russia? Compared to his predecessor?

Why should anyone be surprised the Russians are trying to get Trump re-elected? After the meeting in Iceland with Putin, it was clear who was in charge of who.

1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

There are no "ongoing commitments". There are Presidential decisions to continue a policy or commitment, or not as the case may be. 

 

Im curious though? What has President Trump done, or not done to show that he is being soft on Russia? Compared to his predecessor?

It’s a commitment agreed by signatories you shore up defense on the Easter front. 
 

what he done? Curious you asked. Short answer; Helsinki. 

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

There are no "ongoing commitments". There are Presidential decisions to continue a policy or commitment, or not as the case may be. 

 

Im curious though? What has President Trump done, or not done to show that he is being soft on Russia? Compared to his predecessor?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia/index.html

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Short answer; Helsinki. 

what happened there?

 

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia/index.html

Somehow quoting the Lefts equivalent to Breitbart isnt very convincing.

 

Let me make it easy for you guys: There isnt one thing that President Trump has done that shows he's Vlads "pawn" or whatever. In fact, he has made life harder for Russia. Check their economy. 

6 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Somehow quoting the Lefts equivalent to Breitbart isnt very convincing. 

I'm curious - why do you post such nonsense?

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I'm curious - why do you post such nonsense?

I guess I could ask the same question. But hey, its all good. President Trump will be reelected in a landslide, life will go on and the netizens will keep on yowling.

44 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

You have convinced yourself that Russia influenced the vote to Trump’s favor. You can't say how, but you are still convinced people couldn't possibly have made their own decisions. 

 

The majority of the media is in lock step with your party and pushes that agenda nonstop, and yet you think that this has no effect or Deflect to make a vacuous point. 

 

Get over it. 

 

The dems have no viable solution. Trump will be reelected 

Notice how you have no answers to my posts?  I point out the obvious flaws in your posts and you respond by claiming I posted things I never posted.

41 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Bruce, you'll have to come up with a viable reply, not vague statements. 

 

The lame attempts at pseudo intellectual superiority are embarrassing. 

Also not a "viable reply".

Yes; every country that can, messes with other countries' politics, especially the USA!

However, in the context of 2020, what I can't fathom, when socialism in the closest thing to a platform that the democrats expound, why Putin would want Trump to win ... 

Edited February 23, 20206 yr by Curt1591

2 hours ago, roaming2019 said:

The real villain  is  cnn , msnbc, abc , cbs  all these primetime fake news organizations  who are dividing country making americans  hate each other .   democrat as always are selling the country little by little 

Only 11 posts and you have already attacked free press, and by extension the First Amendment of the US Constitution.  Well done!  Are you trying for a job in the Trump administration?

1 minute ago, Curt1591 said:

Yes; every country that can messes with other countries' politics, especially the USA!

However, in the context of 2020, what I can't fathom, when socialism in the closest thing to a platform that the democrats expound, why Putin would want Trump to win ... 

Because Putin has been trying to spread division, has for a long time. Just like so many Democratic campaigns. Deplorables? Racists? Xenophobes?. Choose your card. Hillary has labelled many enemies Russian agents. It's what she does. Division is what Putin does. 

6 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

Yes; every country that can, messes with other countries' politics, especially the USA!

However, in the context of 2020, what I can't fathom, when socialism in the closest thing to a platform that the democrats expound, why Putin would want Trump to win ... 

Perhaps if you considered the possibility Trump's financing for his house of cards may come from Russian oligarchs, Putin's motivation may be clearer to you.

The only President in the history of the USA to refuse to release his tax records. What does that tell you? I'm no expert, but it says he has something to hide.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'm no expert, but it says he has something to hide

Or he is trolling the conspiracists. President Obama was great at that with the birth certificate stuff. He even got President Trump with that one.

Edited February 23, 20206 yr by Nyezhov

3 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Or he is trolling the conspiracists. President Obama was great at that with the birth certificate stuff. He even got President Trump with that one.

But obama did release it. Even after trump lied, yet again that he had bigly evidence.

 

But trump will not do the same and release his returns to prove everyone wrong will he.

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps if you considered the possibility Trump's financing for his house of cards may come from Russian oligarchs, Putin's motivation may be clearer to you.

The only President in the history of the USA to refuse to release his tax records. What does that tell you? I'm no expert, but it says he has something to hide.

President Trump owned by Russian oligarchs thus Putin because neither he nor you have released tax returns sounds like another conspiracy theory. Like Russian collusion. You do know the IRS (under Obama) saw all of Trump's tax returns, right?

26 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

Yes; every country that can, messes with other countries' politics, especially the USA!

However, in the context of 2020, what I can't fathom, when socialism in the closest thing to a platform that the democrats expound, why Putin would want Trump to win ... 

According to you, Putin is a socialist?

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

But trump will not do the same and release his returns to prove everyone wrong will he.

I really dont much care, nor did the 63 million that voted for him, nor will the voters in 2020. 

 

Whe are you guys going to realize that shouting the same thing over and over convinces no one? Lets see your specific economic and foreign policy arguments, ie, what would your candidate do to improve our economy and how would he handle the present foreign situation?

 

All the screeching about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSSSSSSSIIAAAAAAAAAA is not going to win an election. Its old already.

1 hour ago, candide said:

You have nothing to support your claim.

Parts of the dossier have been corroborated by the Mueller report (I.e. the link I provided). That's fact. Unless you also claim the Mueller report is phony.

 

The date of the submission is irrelevant. Your claim was that the Steele dossier may have influenced elections. It was leaked after elections so there is no way it could have influenced voters.

Next?

The Mueller report did not verify anything in the dossier with factual references. 

 

Steele was fired by the fbi for leaking on November 1st. 2016.

 

Also uncovered is his meeting with the state department in October, and that interview had several lies and exaggerations in it. 

 

Get YOUR facts straight. 

58 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps if you considered the possibility Trump's financing for his house of cards may come from Russian oligarchs, Putin's motivation may be clearer to you.

The only President in the history of the USA to refuse to release his tax records. What does that tell you? I'm no expert, but it says he has something to hide.

"Perhaps if you considered the possibility Trump's financing for his house of cards may come from Russian oligarchs, Putin's motivation may be clearer to you"

 

 Hard core, Conspiracy theories!  

34 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

I really dont much care, nor did the 63 million that voted for him, nor will the voters in 2020. 

 

Whe are you guys going to realize that shouting the same thing over and over convinces no one? Lets see your specific economic and foreign policy arguments, ie, what would your candidate do to improve our economy and how would he handle the present foreign situation?

 

All the screeching about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSSSSSSSIIAAAAAAAAAA is not going to win an election. Its old already.

Releasing his tax return should not be a partisan objective. It is necessary

exercise of the legislative oversight responsibility. Release of his tax return should be voluntary as in previous Presidents for the sake of transparency, ethics and decency. It will answer essential questions about his fitness for office. Don’t you think you want to see him release his tax return if he got nothing to hide? 

 

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Don’t you think you want to see him release his tax return if he got nothing to hide? 

Like I said, I really dont care. Nor do most other people. And if there was something in the tax returns that mattered the IRS would have been all over it already. And people know that too.

 

 

 

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Releasing his tax return should not be a partisan objective. It is necessary

exercise of the legislative oversight responsibility. Release of his tax return should be voluntary as in previous Presidents for the sake of transparency, ethics and decency. It will answer essential questions about his fitness for office. Don’t you think you want to see him release his tax return if he got nothing to hide? 

 

Releasing his tax returns should be mandatory,when the law requires it.  

23 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

The Mueller report did not verify anything in the dossier with factual references. 

 

Steele was fired by the fbi for leaking on November 1st. 2016.

 

Also uncovered is his meeting with the state department in October, and that interview had several lies and exaggerations in it. 

 

Get YOUR facts straight. 

So the Mueller report was wrong, including elements used to indict and convict Manafort etc...?

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

what happened there?

 

Somehow quoting the Lefts equivalent to Breitbart isnt very convincing.

 

Let me make it easy for you guys: There isnt one thing that President Trump has done that shows he's Vlads "pawn" or whatever. In fact, he has made life harder for Russia. Check their economy. 

Well there was that Syria thing..., oops!

26 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Like I said, I really dont care. Nor do most other people. And if there was something in the tax returns that mattered the IRS would have been all over it already. And people know that too.

 

 

 

Got it. Just that we are polar opposite. I am for transparency and decency for POTUS to release his tax return as practiced by previous POTUS. Don’t we want to know what he is hiding. Many decent Americans want to know. Ok not you. 

28 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Like I said, I really dont care. Nor do most other people. And if there was something in the tax returns that mattered the IRS would have been all over it already. And people know that too.

 

 

 

Irs would not care about the source of his financing, concerned citizens might. Trump fans won't.