Sanders scores decisive win in Nevada, Biden heading to second place

[WalkingOrders]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're talking logic. Do you think the 45 campaign is going to be run based on logic? Voters mostly vote feelings and a strong feeling for many people is FEAR. 

Well, Bernie has quite a history HE has created for himself.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Silurian said:

 

Bernie will need a more moderate/centrist VP to pull in those worried about a self proclaimed Socialist on the ticket. It would also be good to get a VP that is from one of the mid-west states preferably one of the swing states. And of course to show that he is "woke", he will need a minority VP either female or someone of non-white heritage (best if it is both).

 

There doesn't seem to be anyone of major name recognition that can check all the right boxes. My guess it will be either Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams. Personally, I would have him choose Stacey Abrams as it just might pull in the southern vote. 

 

A centrist/moderate VP can also help try to pull in the House and Senate votes, especially those congressional seats sitting in more purple areas where a socialist label will hurt them.

Yeah, very close to what I think.

Amy or Stacey Abrams.

I don't see an argument for Harris really. She's got the negatives of having more damaging baggage as a prosecutor than Amy and no democrat needs any help to win California. 

Between Amy and Stacey Abrams, that's harder.

Amy is better to give a bone to the Midwest and suburban white voters. Bernie will win blacks and Latinos anyway.

But she's another senator. Two senators is a bit much.

Stacey Abrams has remarkable passion, charisma and likability.

But I don't think she makes even home state Georgia competitive with Bernie at the top. Also her experience is pretty thin and she didn't even win her race for governor (even though there is an argument that it was stolen from her).

I guess experts would need to look at an electoral map to see which of those (or someone else) might provide a more likely path to beating 45.

Abrams would be the more "exciting" choice though for whatever that's worth. 

[WalkingOrders]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, very close to what I think.

Amy or Stacey Abrams.

I don't see an argument for Harris really. She's got the negatives of having more damaging baggage as a prosecutor than Amy and no democrat needs any help to win California. 

Between Amy and Stacey Abrams, that's harder.

Amy is better to give a bone to the Midwest and suburban white voters. Bernie will win blacks and Latinos anyway.

But she's another senator. Two senators is a bit much.

Stacey Abrams has remarkable passion, charisma and likability.

But I don't think she makes even home state Georgia competitive with Bernie at the top. Also her experience is pretty thin and she didn't even win her race for governor (even though there is an argument that it was stolen from her).

I guess experts would need to look at an electoral map to see which of those (or someone else) might provide a more likely path to beating 45.

Abrams would be the more "exciting" choice though for whatever that's worth. 

This needs to be noted, whomever becomes his running mate, is forever a socialist. Not sure if Amy Klobuchar wants to go there.

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Agreed he is not. 

But unfortunately it will be super easy for the 45 forces to paint Bernie and the entire Democratic party down ticket as evil commies if he's nominated. 

 

He must be stopped. Bloomberg might be the only person that can prevent a 45 second term. 

 

 

If Sanders is the Nominee , with a Proper VP, he will wipe the floor with trump. 

 trump can't paint Bernie anything that everyone has not tried to paint Bernie already, and he is not doing too bad, people are not buying it.  And I heard Bernie can do some painting also.

 Not that we need for anyone to paint as a picture. anyone who does not see the trump picture by now is blind at best. But there are those who voted for trump out of a desperation I understand, and they see that trump has not delivered.

NOTHING!! ZERO!!!  trade balance is worst than ever, deficit and debt highest than ever, employment participation the lowest in decades (don't get fooled by  skewed unemployment stats)  Health insurance fixed? world a safer place?  Remember how he was going to restore the coal industry? Has he? all these people are still out there.  And don't underestimate trump fatigue. people are tired of the drama. 

No my friend, Bernie can do some painting also,

and four more years of trump ain't a pretty picture.  

[Sujo]

8 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Looks like the DNC can't stop Bernie.  Maybe they can buy him off, perhaps with another cottage on the lake.

Perhaps that could be evidence the russian interference is working like it did for trump. Yes?

[Sujo]

Bernie is by far the best choice for US president. But the US is not mature enough to know it. 

 

so i doubt he could win. Tho i do hope.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Sujo

[Tug]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I hope you are being ironic. There is only one side that stopped accepting democratic principles, and it's not Trump or his supporters.

Huhhh I know you are a foreigner but you do have a working knowledge of the American system yes?you do realize the House has oversight duty’s yes?there is lots and lots of reason to suspect trump how about his helinsky fiasco?how about his russa are you listening?how about his coverup about the meeting we know about?how about his dismantling of the organizations that protect us?no sir imo your point is pure bs Bernie isn’t my choice but I’ll vote for him over trump any day I prefer Biden or Bloomberg personally 

[J Town]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Imagine people vote for Sanders and imagine Trump and his supporters don't accept that result...

Bill Maher has been fretting about that for months. He puts the question to every presidential candidate he brings on his show how they would toss Trump out if they won but Trump decided not to leave. Maher is now backing Bernie because he says Bernie has an army of supporters that would take pitchforks and torches to the streets if it came to that.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

This needs to be noted, whomever becomes his running mate, is forever a socialist. Not sure if Amy Klobuchar wants to go there.

Heavy sigh . . . the "socialist" label is wearing overly thin. Bernie is a DEMOCRATIC socialist and he wants everyone to have access to a college education so they can learn the difference.

[WalkingOrders]

41 minutes ago, sirineou said:

If Sanders is the Nominee , with a Proper VP, he will wipe the floor with trump. 

 trump can't paint Bernie anything that everyone has not tried to paint Bernie already, and he is not doing too bad, people are not buying it.  And I heard Bernie can do some painting also.

 Not that we need for anyone to paint as a picture. anyone who does not see the trump picture by now is blind at best. But there are those who voted for trump out of a desperation I understand, and they see that trump has not delivered.

NOTHING!! ZERO!!!  trade balance is worst than ever, deficit and debt highest than ever, employment participation the lowest in decades (don't get fooled by  skewed unemployment stats)  Health insurance fixed? world a safer place?  Remember how he was going to restore the coal industry? Has he? all these people are still out there.  And don't underestimate trump fatigue. people are tired of the drama. 

No my friend, Bernie can do some painting also,

and four more years of trump ain't a pretty picture.  

I look forward to Comrade Sanders debating Trump. Good Luck at the convention!

[sirineou]

Just now, WalkingOrders said:

I look forward to Comrade Sanders debating Trump. Good Luck at the convention!

Thank you

[WalkingOrders]

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

Heavy sigh . . . the "socialist" label is wearing overly thin. Bernie is a DEMOCRATIC socialist and he wants everyone to have access to a college education so they can learn the difference.

I think he can call himself anything he wants. But we all know he is a Communist. His own words follow him. As does video. Looking forward to Comrade sanders victory in the primaries. (Comrade the word used by the Democrat Socialists). The debate with Trump will be awesome!

[WalkingOrders]

14 minutes ago, J Town said:

Bill Maher has been fretting about that for months. He puts the question to every presidential candidate he brings on his show how they would toss Trump out if they won but Trump decided not to leave. Maher is now backing Bernie because he says Bernie has an army of supporters that would take pitchforks and torches to the streets if it came to that.

Conservatives do not play such games. It is Democrats and the Left that wants to burn everything down. 

[simple1]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I hope you are being ironic. There is only one side that stopped accepting democratic principles, and it's not Trump or his supporters.

The opposite, trump is in the process of trying to destroy democratic institutions. Republicans / trump supporters are enabling an individual who considers personal submission to him above the Rule of Law and the Constitution,

[WalkingOrders]

36 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Bernie is by far the best choice for US president. But the US is not mature enough to know it. 

 

so i doubt he could win. Tho i do hope.

Oh yes we are simple Children in the USA and we must come to the great Sujo to give us direction from Grownups. Don't make me vomit man. You must look at yourself in the mirror all day and verbally praise yourself. The United States is not so immature as to elect a Communist for our President, a man who by his own words says he will demolish the US economy and by the way, the global economy with it. No we are far smarter then that Professor. Look forward to the debate Trump v Bernie. Bernie has zero command of numbers, and that is what Trump will do hammer him on economics while calling him Comrade. It's over!

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Thank you

Its quite funny. Trump supporters should be wanting bernie as he is so easy to beat.

Maybe they are scared, they just would rather no candidate.

No matter who the dems nominate they will vote trump so i dont know why they even bother posting on a dem candidate thread.

[WalkingOrders]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

The opposite, trump is in the process of trying to destroy democratic institutions. Republicans / trump supporters are enabling an individual who considers personal submission to him above the Rule of Law and the Constitution,

The Constitution of the United States of America recently spoke on a matter of the rule of law: NOT GUILTY ON TWO COUNTS Acquitted on charges! That is how it's done. Case closed!

[WalkingOrders]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Its quite funny. Trump supporters should be wanting bernie as he is so easy to beat.

Maybe they are scared, they just would rather no candidate.

No matter who the dems nominate they will vote trump so i dont know why they even bother posting on a dem candidate thread.

We are wanting Bernie to be the nominee. You have to be quick around here. It's not a democrat thread its an American election thread. Of interest primarily, I would imagine to American voters, and 2ndarily to on lookers.

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

The Constitution of the United States of America recently spoke on a matter of the rule of law: NOT GUILTY ON TWO COUNTS Acquitted on charges! That is how it's done. Case closed!

The Senate trial was a farce.

[WalkingOrders]

Just now, simple1 said:

The Senate trial was a farce.

Sorry you feel that way. Do you need a packet of warm cocoa?

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Its quite funny. Trump supporters should be wanting bernie as he is so easy to beat.

Maybe they are scared, they just would rather no candidate.

No matter who the dems nominate they will vote trump so i dont know why they even bother posting on a dem candidate thread.

He does not offer any insight or debate anything anyone says ,He has an opinion not  unlike that proverbial bodily orifice we all have and expresses it at every opportunity . He is the definition of a Troll !! I suggest you ignore him, as most do.   

[J Town]

21 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Conservatives do not play such games. It is Democrats and the Left that wants to burn everything down. 

You know that's nonsense. And wasn't Trump's original intent to turn the gubmint upside down, "draining the swamp?"

[otherstuff1957]

About this time in 2016 everyone was saying that Trump wouldn't have a chance at winning the election.  Trump succeeded against all expectations (probably even his own) by tapping a deep sense of dissatisfaction and pessimism about the future that is all to common and growing in the US.  

 

Sanders is exceeding expectations and (IMHO) will probably win the nomination and the general election because he also addresses the same feelings as Trump.  The difference between them is that Trump looks back to the past with nostalgia and promises to return to the days when Americans had real opportunities and weren't crushed by the high cost of living.  Bernie has a vision of a future with a compassionate government that is fairer to all people and offers to serve all, not just the top 10%. 

 

We will see in November if Americans choose to look back or look forward.

[Sujo]

44 minutes ago, sirineou said:

He does not offer any insight or debate anything anyone says ,He has an opinion not  unlike that proverbial bodily orifice we all have and expresses it at every opportunity . He is the definition of a Troll !! I suggest you ignore him, as most do.   

True. I have walkingorders on ignore. I dont mind a trump supporter as long as they state personal facts to to why. But when they just lie and refuse facts based solely on bias that is refuted by facts its just not worth it.

[wwest5829]

7 hours ago, malibukid said:

Trump is so repugnant to a lot of people and if he does win against Sanders this will show how repugnant the majority of Americans are.

Whoa ... hold on there. We will see if the majority of working middle class Americans will support a call for raising the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like the rest of the developed nations already have for their citizens, lowering the cost of gaining more knowledge through higher education, protecting Social Security and Medicare for retired workers. These are things that far too many expected from Trump’s promises. Had they read his public history they might have clearly seen a blowhard. But then, what choice did they have with the Democrats promising more of the same. This time ... they have the opportunity to support a candidate proposing concrete policies addressing the justified frustration/anger.

[wwest5829]

27 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

About this time in 2016 everyone was saying that Trump wouldn't have a chance at winning the election.  Trump succeeded against all expectations (probably even his own) by tapping a deep sense of dissatisfaction and pessimism about the future that is all to common and growing in the US.  

 

Sanders is exceeding expectations and (IMHO) will probably win the nomination and the general election because he also addresses the same feelings as Trump.  The difference between them is that Trump looks back to the past with nostalgia and promises to return to the days when Americans had real opportunities and weren't crushed by the high cost of living.  Bernie has a vision of a future with a compassionate government that is fairer to all people and offers to serve all, not just the top 10%. 

 

We will see in November if Americans choose to look back or look forward.

We are on the same page. My $324.00 campaign donation (12 months x $27.00) just cleared my bank.

[wwest5829]

4 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

Do you also call yourself comrade?

 

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?

And here I thoughT Joe McCarthy was dead ...

[Ventenio]

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"I went for Bernie. I'm not big into politics, but I like the things he's going for: student loan debt, schools, free healthcare," said Aleiza Smith, 22, a housekeeper at the Bellagio.

This is life in a nutshell.  Of course everyone wants free stuff, an easy life, no responsibilities, sit in a classroom and cry for the poor while checking your iphone... let someone else support them.....and then they get super mad later in life when they realize they were the ultimate sucker.  I'm so glad I grew up in the 80's......you learned about a different but, i think, a better way.   no snowflakes.  

Edited February 23, 2020 by Ventenio

[WalkingOrders]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

You know that's nonsense. And wasn't Trump's original intent to turn the gubmint upside down, "draining the swamp?"

There is a Neoliberal-Neoconservative consensus that I think it can be argued that both the left and the Right want to tear down in that sense.  This Anger is being tapped into by Bernie and also Trump, but from different directions. One from a Socialist Left, the other from a Paleoconservative Nationalist Right. Both are fighting against a consensus that shows in the fragmenting of both parties. Less visible in the Right at the moment because they are supporting an incumbent President running for re-election. Trump is very much draining the swamp, but the swamp is fighting back. 

[WalkingOrders]

25 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Whoa ... hold on there. We will see if the majority of working middle class Americans will support a call for raising the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like the rest of the developed nations already have for their citizens, lowering the cost of gaining more knowledge through higher education, protecting Social Security and Medicare for retired workers. These are things that far too many expected from Trump’s promises. Had they read his public history they might have clearly seen a blowhard. But then, what choice did they have with the Democrats promising more of the same. This time ... they have the opportunity to support a candidate proposing concrete policies addressing the justified frustration/anger.

Let's be real. Donald J Trumps voting block is NOT going to budge. It's solid. They will come out and vote. This is what is what could win this for the LEFT: If they persuade the minority black and hispanic voter to hit the polls in record numbers, and they do not lose white centrists who FEAR Socialists. Both of those things need to happen. Additionally, the talk that Trump is pulling a solid 22% or greater of blacks, and pulling hispanics, has to prove to be a myth. That is how it breaks out. But hoping that the Trump base is going to fragment is a pipedream. Not happening.