UK employers urge Johnson not to sacrifice services in EU deal

[snoop1130]

UK employers urge Johnson not to sacrifice services in EU deal

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson leaves Downing Street in London, Britain February 12, 2020. REUTERS/Hannah McKay

 

The Confederation of British Industry urged Prime Minister Boris Johnson to secure a post-Brexit deal that will not leave out service industries, such as finance, something many employers fear if London and Brussels stick to their guns.

 

Avoiding costly red tape and customs complexities were also vital for goods companies, the CBI said.

 

Britain and the EU are expected to begin talks for a trade deal next month, leaving little time before a post-Brexit standstill period expires on Dec. 31.

 

Most economists polled by Reuters this month thought the most likely outcome would be a goods-only deal.

 

Relations between Johnson and some business groups have been strained by his dismissal of their concerns about Britain’s exit from the EU.

 

Carolyn Fairbairn, the CBI’s director-general, said British companies backed many of the government’s objectives for the negotiations, such as securing zero trade tariffs and allowing free flows of data.

 

“In other areas, how the government strikes the balance between access and control is less clear,” she said. “All efforts must be made in these talks to save exporters time and money, avoiding new paperwork, costs and delays.”

 

The CBI said it accepted that its once favoured scenario of Britain remaining in the EU’s customs union was now dead, posing challenges for the world’s fifth-biggest economy.

 

London and Brussels are far apart on key issues, chief among them Britain’s insistence that it must be free to set its own rules for business while the EU wants a so-called level playing field on issues such as the environment and state aid.

 

The CBI said it agreed with the government that Britain had to be able to seize new opportunities by setting regulations for emerging technologies in areas such as artificial intelligence, digital payments and quantum computing.

 

“But for the UK to truly be spear-heading this new frontier, its world-leading industries must not be distracted by significant new burdens on their exports,” it said.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-02-24

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[Rookiescot]

You guys still think Brexit was a good idea?

[TheDark]

12 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

The Confederation of British Industry urged Prime Minister Boris Johnson to secure a post-Brexit deal that will not leave out service industries, such as finance, something many employers fear if London and Brussels stick to their guns.

It took surprisingly long time for the service sector to raise their voice. Not sure if Boris is going to listen what they want. Not sure if it's even possible to have a good deal if Boris wishes to keep his hard lines. 

[englishoak]

Same old BS concerns from big Cooperate. When they talk about services they ONLY mean financial. These groups can easily swallow the costs, it just means less profit margin for the shareholders and less huge commission bonuses.... chop some of the high paying do nothing board jobs and slash the middle management its top heavy ..

 

 

 

 

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

You guys still think Brexit was a good idea?

yes,a few teething problems.

[kingdong]

56 minutes ago, TheDark said:

It took surprisingly long time for the service sector to raise their voice. Not sure if Boris is going to listen what they want. Not sure if it's even possible to have a good deal if Boris wishes to keep his hard lines. 

My heart bleeds for the shiny added spivs,sorry service sector.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

You guys still think Brexit was a good idea?

I have never thought otherwise.

[samran]

25 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Same old BS concerns from big Cooperate. When they talk about services they ONLY mean financial. These groups can easily swallow the costs, it just means less profit margin for the shareholders and less huge commission bonuses.... chop some of the high paying do nothing board jobs and slash the middle management its top heavy ..

 

 

 

 

Services can mean a whole range of things. The ability of not only people with a particular set of skills to ply their trade, but also the recognition in the receiving country of the product of that work. It could be doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants, teachers, electricians, plumbers...you name it, anything that requires a license or a qualification. 
 

You know, the kind of stuff you need in trade deals when you bravely go off on your own, and things which are frankly, rare as hens teeth in most FTAs.

 

Now that I’ve pointed out the unpleasant fact that excluding services in any trade agreement does the U.K. a disservice, feel free to label me, as you blokes always do, as a Brit basher...

[samran]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

You guys still think Brexit was a good idea?

Their disdain for any export which requires some sort of basic academic credential is well evident. Fast out of the blocks on this one as well. 

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, samran said:

Services can mean a whole range of things.

Yes i know Im well aware of the supposed three pillars of economies and services being one but this report is specifically talking about financial services.  As does 99% articles talking about sectors... They did away with the likes of medical, education, industrial, automotive etc in favour of just three... they now call it the tertiary industry, which of course is just BS wording

 

Quote

The service sector consists of the production of services instead of end products. Services (also known as "intangible goods") include attention, advice, access, experience, and affective labor. The production of information has long been regarded as a service, but some economists now attribute it to a fourth sector, the quaternary sector.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_sector_of_the_economy

 

 Naaa its only talking about the financial services and how it might have to adjust its model... the rest of your list isnt what they mean and you know it. 

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

Same old BS concerns from big Cooperate. When they talk about services they ONLY mean financial. These groups can easily swallow the costs, it just means less profit margin for the shareholders and less huge commission bonuses.... chop some of the high paying do nothing board jobs and slash the middle management its top heavy ..

 

 

 

 

And you dont think those financial services will relocate to Frankfurt or Paris to keep getting those huge profit margins?

 

[samran]

22 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Yes i know Im well aware of the supposed three pillars of economies and services being one but this report is specifically talking about financial services.  As does 99% articles talking about sectors... They did away with the likes of medical, education, industrial, automotive etc in favour of just three... they now call it the tertiary industry, which of course is just BS wording

 

 

 Naaa its only talking about the financial services and how it might have to adjust its model... the rest of your list isnt what they mean and you know it. 

Wow, Wikipedia. That’s it?

 

Trust me, I deal with a whole range of services industries looking to do stuff in Asia. And it isn’t just financial services. There are barriers galore. 
 

It won’t be any different for the EU now you are outside the tent.  

[samran]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And you dont think those financial services will relocate to Frankfurt or Paris to keep getting those huge profit margins?

 

They see the words ‘bankers’ and they get triggered. 
 

So they get to kick them in the balls now with brexit, and quite happy to throw any other service provider under the bus in the process. 

[englishoak]

2 hours ago, samran said:

Wow, Wikipedia. That’s it?

 

Trust me, I deal with a whole range of services industries looking to do stuff in Asia. And it isn’t just financial services. There are barriers galore. 
 

It won’t be any different for the EU now you are outside the tent.  

Nice try with the jibe,

 

I didnt have to link wiki, i chose to as it sufficed for ease or are you telling me its wrong ? What did you expect a white paper from Harvard for a simple breakdown on categories ?   yeesh 

 

Trust me I deal with a whole range of industries too and imo as usual your making the usual negative assumptions, based on in this case, a financial services begging letter, nothing more. 

 

You dont "know" anything about the post EU future any more than I do, thats the truth of it. I do know its extremely unlikely to be worst case scenarios though, we are too successful and stable for that, see GDP, global standing, reputation, influence  etc ... Barriers are there to be navigated one way or another and in most cases will be to satisfaction, I have zero concerns longterm, it will be fine, the sky wont fall, Britain will continue to be a major economy and life will go on 99% as it has before.  Absent a black swan event like Kung flu killing millions globally of course. 

 

Carry on being pessimistic but im happy as a lark. 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by englishoak

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, kingdong said:

My heart bleeds for the shiny added spivs,sorry service sector.

They don’t like change do they. It rocks their familiar boat and cozy arrangements they have enjoyed for long enough. 

Four years ago they believed it would never happen. Well Brexit is here and it’s up to those bleating in the Service sector to find their opportunities and make the most of them. It’s hardly likely that Boris would sacrifice them. He’s a Tory PM with a massive majority remember.  Neither the EU or other parties can push him around. 

This is just CBI whining and making copy for Remainer Reuter’s. It’s lapped up by TVF naysayers and Brit Bashers though. Click bait to keep the topics going. 

[bannork]

The bad news and fall out from Brexit marches on. Nearly half a million jobs lost already and we're still under EU laws!

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, bannork said:

The bad news and fall out from Brexit marches on. Nearly half a million jobs lost already and we're still under EU laws!

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

Just teething problems according to Brexiteers.

If only you would believe everything is going to be OK then it will be.

Glorious leader Kim il Johnson will make sure everything is OK. Our unicorns will be delivered any day now.

[englishoak]

19 minutes ago, bannork said:

The bad news and fall out from Brexit marches on. Nearly half a million jobs lost already and we're still under EU laws!

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

In what time frame exactly ?  6 mths.. 3.5 years since the vote ? how many jobs created in the Uk in all that time ? oh yea crickets !

LOL just look at the criteria ... anything they wish attributed to brexit basically, not to mention how many are government councils etc lol ridiculous.... eg Handmade Burger Co  went bust due to bad management and debts not brexit for godsake  and the Tesla  claim is simply ridiculous   and the Jobs created list is 0 is it ?

 

come on this site is just bunk... but carry on with the headless chicken act ... its amusing 

[samran]

8 hours ago, englishoak said:

Nice try with the jibe,

 

I didnt have to link wiki, i chose to as it sufficed for ease or are you telling me its wrong ? What did you expect a white paper from Harvard for a simple breakdown on categories ?   yeesh 

 

Trust me I deal with a whole range of industries too and imo as usual your making the usual negative assumptions, based on in this case, a financial services begging letter, nothing more. 

 

You dont "know" anything about the post EU future any more than I do, thats the truth of it. I do know its extremely unlikely to be worst case scenarios though, we are too successful and stable for that, see GDP, global standing, reputation, influence  etc ... Barriers are there to be navigated one way or another and in most cases will be to satisfaction, I have zero concerns longterm, it will be fine, the sky wont fall, Britain will continue to be a major economy and life will go on 99% as it has before.  Absent a black swan event like Kung flu killing millions globally of course. 

 

Carry on being pessimistic but im happy as a lark. 

 

 

I’ll give you a little example of a ‘services’ industry. 
 

Say you are a Lorry owner driver. This is a service. 
 

What happens if there is no agreement. 
 

- Will he be able to deliver into Europe?

- What types of Lorries will be able to drive there? 
- If he is able to deliver to Europe will  he be allowed to pick up a load and bring it back? 
- What if there is no load to bring back? Is he allowed to pick up a load and deliver it it a third location with the EU to make the first trip economic? 
 

...and the questions go on. 
 

No shiny bum bankers or lawyers in this picture. Just a guy who wants to know if he can afford to make a round trip in his truck.

 

Currently he does what he likes. Pretty soon he’s going to have all sorts of third country restrictions on him. 

 

You can ask the same question about equipment installers. Can a Uk based company producing specialized equipment send their own people to install, and more importantly, regularly fix and maintain the product they’ve sold the client? 
 

This is counted as ‘work’ for an income and if you are from a third country, this is banned in normal circumstances. Sack the British person and hire locals in the target country...
 

You blokes are just blasé about these things...this is real stuff where people make their living. 

Edited February 25, 2020 by samran

[JonnyF]

Wow a bit of pre-negotiation grandstanding (on both sides) and the bitters are out in force saying "I told you so" before anything has even been agreed ????.

 

I know it's tough to lose but it's time for Brits to get behind the decision (to the non-Brit haters, you know who you are, time to get a life instead of spending hours every day posting spiteful anti Brit rhetoric on TV).

[samran]

23 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Wow a bit of pre-negotiation grandstanding (on both sides) and the bitters are out in force saying "I told you so" before anything has even been agreed ????.

 

I know it's tough to lose but it's time for Brits to get behind the decision (to the non-Brit haters, you know who you are, time to get a life instead of spending hours every day posting spiteful anti Brit rhetoric on TV).

Didn’t realise thinking through an issue was ‘spiteful anti Brit rhetoric’. 
 

But for those who think that, well that’s hubris for you....

Edited February 25, 2020 by samran

[evadgib]

8 minutes ago, samran said:

Didn’t realise thinking through an issue was ‘spiteful anti Brit rhetoric’. 
 

But that’s hubris for you....

How did your lorry driver fare pre '75 or were all those ferries empty?

[Rookiescot]

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Wow a bit of pre-negotiation grandstanding (on both sides) and the bitters are out in force saying "I told you so" before anything has even been agreed ????.

 

I know it's tough to lose but it's time for Brits to get behind the decision (to the non-Brit haters, you know who you are, time to get a life instead of spending hours every day posting spiteful anti Brit rhetoric on TV).

Here we go.

If only everyone believed Brexit is going to be great then Brexit will be great.

And if Brexit is not great its not because it was a dumb idea its because people did not believe enough.

[samran]

13 minutes ago, evadgib said:

How did your lorry driver fare pre '75 or were all those ferries empty?

Worse than now most likely given he had restricted market access to ply his trade. 

 

But the distant past seems to be your future, so lower economic opportunity for lorry drivers seems to be part of the ‘plan’. 

[samran]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Here we go.

If only everyone believed Brexit is going to be great then Brexit will be great.

And if Brexit is not great its not because it was a dumb idea its because people did not believe enough.

Post brexit trade negotiation strategy...

 

I mean these blokes knew exactly what they were voting for, it’s surprising they can’t be more detailed in what comes next!

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, samran said:

Didn’t realise thinking through an issue was ‘spiteful anti Brit rhetoric’. 
 

But for those who think that, well that’s hubris for you....

Why do you care so much? It's bizarre, you're not even British yet spend all your days on ThaiVisa bitching about Britain and complaining about Brexit. Life's too short to be bitter, get a hobby or something ????.

 

 

[robertson468]

16 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

You guys still think Brexit was a good idea?

I don't think this person is keeping up with how things are progressing well for the UK and what a mess the EU is in, trying to sort out their new income streams from the unhappy 27 and their new budget. Not to mention the problems in Germany, France and the disenting four.  Unless the EU quickly reorganises itself, I can only see a "crash and burn scenario".

[samran]

35 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Why do you care so much? It's bizarre, you're not even British yet spend all your days on ThaiVisa bitching about Britain and complaining about Brexit. Life's too short to be bitter, get a hobby or something ????.

 

 

This may be a strange concept for you, but my interests in life and what I can and can’t comment on are none of your business. 
 

If you are so triggered by my posts, feel free to press ignore, like all the rest of the head in the sanders who hate anything that isn’t in their echo chamber...

 

It says a lot about you, that your most useful rebuttal is ‘you aren’t even british, you shouldn’t be commenting here’.  

 

As for ‘all my time’...dunno. Just have travelled through three countries for work in the past week. About to head to a 4th tomorrow. You blokes are an entertaining distraction.

Edited February 25, 2020 by samran

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, samran said:

This may be a strange concept for you, but my interests in life and what I can and can’t comment on are none of your business. 
 

If you are so triggered by my posts, feel free to press ignore, like all the rest of the head in the sanders who hate anything that isn’t in their echo chamber...

 

It says a lot about you, that your most useful rebuttal is ‘you aren’t even british, you shouldn’t be commenting here’.  

 

As for ‘all my time’...dunno. Just have travelled through three countries for work in the past week. About to head to a 4th tomorrow. You blokes are an entertaining distraction.

I've rebutted your points many times, it's just the same old stuff regurgitated. Project Fear, Brexiteers are stupid racists, the sky will fall any minute now, Britain is doomed, Blonde man bad, Tories nasty etc.  

 

You can continue to post every 2 minutes for all I care, I've never said you couldn't. I'm just pointing out that it makes you look like an oddly obsessed, bitter Brit hater that's all. If you're OK with the look, keep rocking it ????.

[samran]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

old stuff regurgitated. Project Fear, Brexiteers are stupid racists,

Wow...discussing the ins and outs of International lorry driving post brexit is ‘project fear’ for you?