UK employers urge Johnson not to sacrifice services in EU deal

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I'm just pointing out that it makes you look like an oddly obsessed, bitter Brit hater that's all. If you're OK with the look, keep rocking it ????.

In your eyes maybe, which says a lot about you. If you’re ok with the look, keep rocking it. 

[samran]

7 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

In your eyes maybe, which says a lot about you. If you’re ok with the look, keep rocking it. 

Little Johnny is here pretty often too. Not that I’ve mentioned it till now. 
 

I dare say he might be obsessed with me....not that there is anything wrong with that of course! I’m a good looking bloke! 
 

The nonsensical replies, the constant blubbering....it all makes sense now. 

Edited February 25, 2020 by samran

[BritManToo]

18 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

You guys still think Brexit was a good idea?

I never thought Brexit was a good idea.

But it was a democratically decided idea, and unless you're a fascist you have to go with the winning vote.

If it were down to me the UK would be a lot more like Stalinist Russia.

Edited February 25, 2020 by BritManToo

[Monomial]

18 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

You guys still think Brexit was a good idea?

 

Good for whom? It is surprising how people often take their own values and then extend them to everyone else as if there were no other considerations.

 

Economists like to speak in averages, but the truth is that the economy on the ground is anything but an "average". The guy who hustles working 3 jobs just to barely pay the bills can still come out ahead even if the economy tanks around him.  The appliance repair guy will probably see his business increase without a deal when imports become more expensive. Brexit is likely to work for this class, and if they get lucky, they might even become tomorrow's elite.

 

Who is Brexit good for?  Not for those who were benefitting from the status quo, but for everyone else...possibly. And the poor who were bearing the majority of costs far outnumber the wealthy who receiving the majority of the advantages.

 

It is the management class who are running scared right now. Not the labourer who is enjoying a new found hope.

[JonnyF]

32 minutes ago, samran said:

Little Johnny is here pretty often too. Not that I’ve mentioned it till now. 
 

I dare say he might be obsessed with me....not that there is anything wrong with that of course! I’m a good looking bloke! 
 

The nonsensical replies, the constant blubbering....it all makes sense now. 

Really? REALLY? "You're gay and you fancy me"? Is that the best you can come up with? ????????

 

I am beginning to suspect that Remainers are not all open minded, sophisticated members of the intelligentsia as I had been led to believe ????.

 

[samran]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Really? REALLY? "You're gay and you fancy me"? Is that the best you can come up with? ????????

 

I am beginning to suspect that Remainers are not all open minded, sophisticated members of the intelligentsia as I had been led to believe ????.

 

Johnny, I’ve got to look at the evidence. I go somewhere, and surprise surprise you are there! 
 

It’s not like you are actively engaging in any thoughtful discussion on the matter at hand. You just always want to talk about me! You are obsessed, admit it. It must be the beard! 

[Proboscis]

18 hours ago, englishoak said:

Same old BS concerns from big Cooperate. When they talk about services they ONLY mean financial. These groups can easily swallow the costs, it just means less profit margin for the shareholders and less huge commission bonuses.... chop some of the high paying do nothing board jobs and slash the middle management its top heavy ..

 

 

 

 

Well, by far most services are financial in the sense that the service provided is exchanged for a financial instrument, namely money.

Given that the vast majority of GDP/GNP is providing services (everything from haircuts to product design, from installing a security alarm to a futures contract), how do you suppose to keep the British economy going when most of it is flushed?

[Monomial]

49 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Well, by far most services are financial in the sense that the service provided is exchanged for a financial instrument, namely money.

Given that the vast majority of GDP/GNP is providing services (everything from haircuts to product design, from installing a security alarm to a futures contract), how do you suppose to keep the British economy going when most of it is flushed?

 

Given that London is the only centre currently capable of underwriting the world's reinsurance market most of those services aren't going anywhere. London also provides deeper capital exchanges that almost anywhere else on the planet, with the possible exception of New York.  Those "services" are going to be used. The question is how much reorganization EU businesses are going to be forced to undergo in order to take advantage of them.  Nothing will be "flushed", but they will likely be reorganized and downsized in the absence of a deal with Brussels.

 

Even so, this is only going to affect the managerial class that was invested in this sector. The unsalaried labour class is going to feel only a minimal effect, and might even come out ahead. People don't stop eating if the economy gets bad. Those who don't have much to lose anyway might not even notice. Those people who are providing necessary jobs actually see their relative economic importance increase during an economic crisis.

 

It's not the British economy as a whole that is in trouble. It is the wealthy, managerial class of the British economy that is in trouble.  And those wealthy managers may simply have to give up their estates and sell sandwiches on the street to survive. But it will be them, not the poor, who are going to have to change to accept Brexit. The downsizing of the British economy is going to come primarily by eviscerating them. It won't be even across the board.

 

(BTW...I expect useful services like installing security alarms to be a booming industry post Brexit as the economic malaise starts to strike. Not all services are equal. )

 

 

 

Edited February 25, 2020 by Monomial

[samran]

36 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

Given that London is the only centre currently capable of underwriting the world's reinsurance market most of those services aren't going anywhere. London also provides deeper capital exchanges that almost anywhere else on the planet, with the possible exception of New York.  Those "services" are going to be used. The question is how much reorganization EU businesses are going to be forced to undergo in order to take advantage of them.  Nothing will be "flushed", but they will likely be reorganized and downsized in the absence of a deal with Brussels.

 

Even so, this is only going to affect the managerial class that was invested in this sector. The unsalaried labour class is going to feel only a minimal effect, and might even come out ahead. People don't stop eating if the economy gets bad. Those who don't have much to lose anyway might not even notice. Those people who are providing necessary jobs actually see their relative economic importance increase during an economic crisis.

 

It's not the British economy as a whole that is in trouble. It is the wealthy, managerial class of the British economy that is in trouble.  And those wealthy managers may simply have to give up their estates and sell sandwiches on the street to survive. But it will be them, not the poor, who are going to have to change to accept Brexit. The downsizing of the British economy is going to come primarily by eviscerating them. It won't be even across the board.

 

(BTW...I expect useful services like installing security alarms to be a booming industry post Brexit as the economic malaise starts to strike. Not all services are equal. )

 

 

 

Brexit...the socialists wet dream come true! 

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, samran said:

Brexit...the socialists wet dream come true! 

Well to some extent yes, a proportion of the ideologically obsessed far left of the party anyway.  Len McLusky (Gross fool that he is) was bleating on about how nobody should support a certain leading Labour Lady, because - shock horror - she was a remainer. Most of the party are - what an idiot. 

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, rhyddid said:

BS BJ do not care anything, his goal it's his ego, careless that tax fro British will increase and life will be worst.
Well done Brexiters !

I simply don't think BJ has the actual intelligence to realise that if he stuffs business - the service industry in particular - then the country is going down the tubes even faster than it is already. He is a posturer, famously weak on detail - a perfect Brexiteer in fact.

[natway09]

Methinks Mr Boris is just starting to realize the enormity of the task for the UK in the next 5 years 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, natway09 said:

Methinks Mr Boris is just starting to realize the enormity of the task for the UK in the next 5 years 

You will recall the enormity of the UK's problem in 1939 which took many years to recover from, but we did, didn't we....?  ????

[Rookiescot]

41 minutes ago, transam said:

You will recall the enormity of the UK's problem in 1939 which took many years to recover from, but we did, didn't we....?  ????

Did 52% vote for Hitler to start a war?

This problem is self inflicted.

[samran]

44 minutes ago, transam said:

You will recall the enormity of the UK's problem in 1939 which took many years to recover from, but we did, didn't we....?  ????

I'll give you this Trans, at least you are saying that things will go backwards.

 

In this case though, it is self inflicted...

 

(ps...sorry in advance if the 'cool gang' send you PMs and kick you out of their group for this admission...)

 

 

[evadgib]

Red Meat for the rejoiners & ponti's still transfixed by all things B-B-Brexit 

 

UK Statement to the WTO Informal Working Group on MSMEs

Edited February 25, 2020 by evadgib

[Thongkorn]

He should order the end of No hour contracts too.

[CG1 Blue]

18 hours ago, bannork said:

The bad news and fall out from Brexit marches on. Nearly half a million jobs lost already and we're still under EU laws!

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I'm amazed you had the audacity to post a link to this desperate anti-Brexit nonsense! They take the term 'grasping at straws' to a whole new level!! Have you even looked at the claptrap in that link? ????

 

1. The employer’s business has been significantly affected by sterling’s devaluation, either immediately through rises in the cost of imported inputs or later by inflation passed on by those who were so affected.

2. Government austerity cuts are attributed to Brexit since Britain voted to remain the EU, austerity would have been lifted instead of deepened.

3. Barring other obvious explanations businesses that were doing okay but experienced a significant slowdown after the Brexit vote are deemed to have been impacted by Brexit.

4. Businesses and other enterprises (e.g. EU regulatory authorities) that will be impacted by the imposition of trading or regulatory barriers (including the potential imposition of tariffs).

5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a “third country” to the EU, just like India or China.

Other factors are occasionally cited but these are the main categories.

Job losses due to changes in the way business is conducted, such as those due to banking automation or to internet shopping, are usually excluded unless there is some compelling reason to regard Brexit is the real reason for cutting staff.

However, as the Dec 2019 election was about Brexit, the author has decided to include losses due to Tory policy ????????????

[Rookiescot]

6 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I'm amazed you had the audacity to post a link to this desperate anti-Brexit nonsense! They take the term 'grasping at straws' to a whole new level!! Have you even looked at the claptrap in that link? ????

 

1. The employer’s business has been significantly affected by sterling’s devaluation, either immediately through rises in the cost of imported inputs or later by inflation passed on by those who were so affected.

2. Government austerity cuts are attributed to Brexit since Britain voted to remain the EU, austerity would have been lifted instead of deepened.

3. Barring other obvious explanations businesses that were doing okay but experienced a significant slowdown after the Brexit vote are deemed to have been impacted by Brexit.

4. Businesses and other enterprises (e.g. EU regulatory authorities) that will be impacted by the imposition of trading or regulatory barriers (including the potential imposition of tariffs).

5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a “third country” to the EU, just like India or China.

Other factors are occasionally cited but these are the main categories.

Job losses due to changes in the way business is conducted, such as those due to banking automation or to internet shopping, are usually excluded unless there is some compelling reason to regard Brexit is the real reason for cutting staff.

However, as the Dec 2019 election was about Brexit, the author has decided to include losses due to Tory policy ????????????

So you are claiming Brexit has had no impact on jobs and the UK economy?

 

I might also add. If I was running a business in the UK and my company had to reduce numbers on the shop floor because of difficulties arising from Brexit then the first people I would make redundant would be those I knew had voted for it.

Only fair that those who enabled Brexit are the ones to take the financial penalty for it.

I'm sure they would understand. After all its a price worth paying.

[samran]

12 hours ago, evadgib said:

Red Meat for the rejoiners & ponti's still transfixed by all things B-B-Brexit 

 

UK Statement to the WTO Informal Working Group on MSMEs

So the UKs newly minted WTO ambassador saying in diplo-speak that  small and medium sized businesses are the mainstay if the UK economy and that WTO multilateral global trading rules are not fit for purpose for them. 
 

If they had any brains, it would be food for though for the drones who chant ‘WTO rules’ as a response to what happens at the end of the year. 
 

A bit like shooting your self in the foot as a sign to the EU that you are serious about trade negotiations. 
 

Clearly the UKs WTO ambassadors is stating something that doesn’t fit into the brexiter narrative, no doubt they will be hounding him of his post now calling him a self loathing British traitor!

[melvinmelvin]

13 minutes ago, samran said:

So the UKs newly minted WTO ambassador saying in diplo-speak that  small and medium sized businesses are the mainstay if the UK economy and that WTO multilateral global trading rules are not fit for purpose for them. 
 

If they had any brains, it would be food for though for the drones who chant ‘WTO rules’ as a response to what happens at the end of the year. 
 

A bit like shooting your self in the foot as a sign to the EU that you are serious about trade negotiations. 
 

Clearly the UKs WTO ambassadors is stating something that doesn’t fit into the brexiter narrative, no doubt they will be hounding him of his post now calling him a self loathing British traitor!

you'r putting too much into a mumble mumble blaha blaha intervention

if the guy from the UK mission doesn't have anything more than that to say he might aswell skip it

 

[samran]

33 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

you'r putting too much into a mumble mumble blaha blaha intervention

if the guy from the UK mission doesn't have anything more than that to say he might aswell skip it

 

Atta boy! Sticking the boots into him already! 

[transam]

16 hours ago, samran said:

I'll give you this Trans, at least you are saying that things will go backwards.

 

In this case though, it is self inflicted...

 

(ps...sorry in advance if the 'cool gang' send you PMs and kick you out of their group for this admission...)

 

 

No, you are saying things will go backwards, we will go forward.

What group....?

[evadgib]

More 'getting on with it' from BJ:

 

PM outlines new review to define Britain’s place in the world

 

Quote

The United Kingdom will overhaul its approach to foreign policy through a new government-wide review set out by the Prime Minister today.

The Prime Minister has committed to hold the largest review of the UK’s foreign, defence, security and development policy since the end of the Cold War. The Integrated Review will cover all aspects of the UK’s place in the world, from the role of our diplomatic service and approach to development to the capabilities of our Armed Forces and security agencies.

The review will be policy-led and will go beyond the parameters of a traditional review by considering the totality of global opportunities and challenges the UK faces and determining how the whole of government can be structured, equipped and mobilised to meet them.

 

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

More 'getting on with it' from BJ:

 

PM outlines new review to define Britain’s place in the world

 

 

More government cuts then.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

More government cuts then.

Only in Scotland,it seems, they are not doing to well, not achieving with the bundles of dosh they have. But, that will all change when Sturgeon concentrates on home matters and not her shield beating antics.. ????

Edited February 26, 2020 by transam

[bannork]

George Eustice promised there would not be any cuts affecting UK farmers outside the EU but alas Defra has just announced reductions in support for farmers.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/payments-schemes/defra-confirms-reductions-in-support-for-farmers

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

 

promised there would not be any cuts affecting UK farmers outside the EU but alas Defra has just announced reductions in support for farmers.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/payments-schemes/defra-confirms-reductions-in-support-for-farmers

Was that all those farmers who were very keen on the idea of Brexit?

 

https://www.bidwells.co.uk/insights-and-research/rural-spectator-farmers-weekly-eu-referendum-poll/

 

58% said they would vote to leave, 31% would vote to remain and 11% were undecided.

 

????????????????

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

George Eustice promised there would not be any cuts affecting UK farmers outside the EU but alas Defra has just announced reductions in support for farmers.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/payments-schemes/defra-confirms-reductions-in-support-for-farmers

 

why on earth can't farmers do their business without state support?

like most other private enterprises

 

FF

 

Edited February 26, 2020 by melvinmelvin
typo

[samran]

8 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

why on earth can't farmers do their business witout state support?

like most other private enterprises

 

FF

 

Agrarian socialists in the English speaking world have been careful to hide their Leninist streaks by cleverly making themselves appear as conservatives to the naked eye. 

 

Makes doling our public cash to them okay, you see. 

Edited February 26, 2020 by samran