Britain tells the EU: we shall not sell out our fishermen

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Lol, you can't even control your own currency. What kind of control do you call telling Romanians and Poles 'Oh do come in lads, no visa needed, open doors'...

 

Yeah, you really got control of borders back. In your head maybe.

 

Not in reality.

 

The UK does not have the tools and muscle to control anything really. Not its own immigration, not its own currency and not even its own economy as a whole. Outproduced by Italy. Outproduced by India.

 

You don't even control your welfare state which you can only finance by going to the capital markets to borrow from Germany, Japan and the US.

 

You control nothing.

 

[sandyf]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As for EU tariffs the EU will pay more to the UK than the UK will pay to the EU

Garbage, in more ways that one. Only the delusional could think that trade with the EU will follow the same historical pattern.

Tariffs are based on product classification and at the end of the day a lot depends on how far companies are prepared to distort the classification.

If you pack a bicycle with the wheels off, are you selling a bicycle or bicycle spares. Some of us remember the tariff days, not the easiest way to do business.

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The Millions for infrastructure products in Wales to pay was paid for by the British taxpayer, if you have forgotten the UK has always being a net contributor. As for EU tariffs the EU will pay more to the UK than the UK will pay to the EU

Its strange normal after a divorce most people reduce their spending as they don't require as much money as they did before the divorce Not the EU it wants to increase its spending and the EU is divided into 2 camps the net contributors who feel they are already paying enough and the cohesion countries which want the eu budget increased as they are net beneficiaries and take out more than they ever pay in. Poland seems to be doing very well as part of the  net beneficiaries

You seem to be confused as to who actually pays for the tariffs. Its the customer NOT the government.

So things like fruit and veg which we can not grow here are going to be more expensive. The UK government will of course love this because it means they get more revenue from VAT. The EU gets a percentage of all tariffs from goods from outside the EU. Think its 10% but would need to check that.

Now if you are a European and there are two trays of tomatoes in the shop but one is from the UK and one is from Spain you are going to buy the Spanish ones because they are cheaper. The same applies to UK customers who will buy the British tomatoes rather than the Spanish ones.

However if you fancy some grapes as a European then you just buy grapes at the same price they always were.

If you are British then you are going to pay a lot more for grapes because we dont have a domestic option.

 

So expect a lot of inflation. Coupled with an economy which is shrinking. 

[transam]

I see the anti UK folk are out again today......Really is laughable.....Know it all's that know nothing....Mystic Megs...................

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The Millions for infrastructure products in Wales to pay was paid for by the British taxpayer, if you have forgotten the UK has always being a net contributor. As for EU tariffs the EU will pay more to the UK than the UK will pay to the EU

Its strange normal after a divorce most people reduce their spending as they don't require as much money as they did before the divorce Not the EU it wants to increase its spending and the EU is divided into 2 camps the net contributors who feel they are already paying enough and the cohesion countries which want the eu budget increased as they are net beneficiaries and take out more than they ever pay in. Poland seems to be doing very well as part of the  net beneficiaries

 

Sorry, but that's a lie, the UK was never a 'net contributor'. The UK got far more out of the EU than it ever put in. When you take into account the amount of tax revenue the UK makes from EU immigrants working in the UK (a sum that far outweighs any benefits they receive from the UK government), plus the tax on the profits of free trade within the common market, tourism and travel that wouldn’t have happened without the EU’s free movement policy you begin to understand that the UK received far more than it ever put in.

 

Of course it is not so easy to quantify the real extent to which the UK benefitted from the EU economically. For example, if a French tourist visits London and spends a thousand pounds, how do we know whether or not they would have done so if they’d not benefitted from free travel which the EU faciliated at the time?

 

To quantify these things is not easy, much easier to say 'Aaaah but da Brittish, we's paid in dat amount and we waz a net contributtor'.

 

But you weren't. And if you could have built those gigantic infrastructure projects in Wales et al you wouldn't have applied for EU funds and held your hand, would you?

 

And yes, the fact that the EU is debating increasing its budget tells you that the British contribution will not be missed, especially when we'll take in exactly the same amount from tariffs on UK products.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

 

We want, we want and we want.

Clowns like that guy lying straight to a camera is why we ended up in this mess.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

I see the anti UK folk are out again today......Really is laughable.....Know it all's that know nothing....Mystic Megs...................

Just because you dont like the facts being given does not make them anti UK.

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Sorry, but that's a lie, the UK was never a 'net contributor'. The UK got far more out of the EU than it ever put in. When you take into account the amount of tax revenue the UK makes from EU immigrants working in the UK (a sum that far outweighs any benefits they receive from the UK government), plus the tax on the profits of free trade within the common market, tourism and travel that wouldn’t have happened without the EU’s free movement policy you begin to understand that the UK received far more than it ever put in.

 

Of course it is not so easy to quantify the real extent to which the UK benefitted from the EU economically. For example, if a French tourist visits London and spends a thousand pounds, how do we know whether or not they would have done so if they’d not benefitted from free travel which the EU faciliated at the time?

 

To quantify these things is not easy, much easier to say 'Aaaah but da Brittish, we's paid in dat amount and we waz a net contributtor'.

 

But you weren't. And if you could have built those gigantic infrastructure projects in Wales et al you wouldn't have applied for EU funds and held your hand, would you?

 

And yes, the fact that the EU is debating increasing its budget tells you that the British contribution will not be missed, especially when we'll take in exactly the same amount from tariffs on UK products.

Sorry its you that is wrong the UK has always being a net net contributor since day 1 

https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/

[RuamRudy]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

Yeah, fair enough, I can't pretend, judging by the GE result it's a lot less than "virtually" half now.

 

A vote for the nasty party was certainly seen as a vote for Brexit - but they only got 43% of the vote. Which other party's votes are you counting?

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You seem to be confused as to who actually pays for the tariffs. Its the customer NOT the government.

So things like fruit and veg which we can not grow here are going to be more expensive. The UK government will of course love this because it means they get more revenue from VAT. The EU gets a percentage of all tariffs from goods from outside the EU. Think its 10% but would need to check that.

Now if you are a European and there are two trays of tomatoes in the shop but one is from the UK and one is from Spain you are going to buy the Spanish ones because they are cheaper. The same applies to UK customers who will buy the British tomatoes rather than the Spanish ones.

However if you fancy some grapes as a European then you just buy grapes at the same price they always were.

If you are British then you are going to pay a lot more for grapes because we dont have a domestic option.

 

So expect a lot of inflation. Coupled with an economy which is shrinking. 

I can't comment about Scotland but I know loads of fruit ang veg farms in England where you can pick your own Fruit and many  farms where you can buy fresh vegetables 

Seedless grapes grown in Britain to be available in shops for first time

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/9217373/Seedless-grapes-grown-in-Britain-to-be-available-in-shops-for-first-time.html

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

A vote for the nasty party was certainly seen as a vote for Brexit - but they only got 43% of the vote. Which other party's votes are you counting?

Nasty party, what has the SNP got to do with it...?

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Just because you dont like the facts being given does not make them anti UK.

Facts.........................????

The only fact I know from you is your dislike of England...............

 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

I can't comment about Scotland but I know loads of fruit ang veg farms in England where you can pick your own Fruit and many  farms where you can buy fresh vegetables 

Seedless grapes grown in Britain to be available in shops for first time

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/9217373/Seedless-grapes-grown-in-Britain-to-be-available-in-shops-for-first-time.html

Thats great but most people get their fruit and veg from shops.

And is that farm selling seedless grapes going to supply the needs of the whole UK?

[sandyf]

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Sorry, but that's a lie, the UK was never a 'net contributor'. The UK got far more out of the EU than it ever put in. When you take into account the amount of tax revenue the UK makes from EU immigrants working in the UK (a sum that far outweighs any benefits they receive from the UK government), plus the tax on the profits of free trade within the common market, tourism and travel that wouldn’t have happened without the EU’s free movement policy you begin to understand that the UK received far more than it ever put in.

 

Of course it is not so easy to quantify the real extent to which the UK benefitted from the EU economically. For example, if a French tourist visits London and spends a thousand pounds, how do we know whether or not they would have done so if they’d not benefitted from free travel which the EU faciliated at the time?

 

To quantify these things is not easy, much easier to say 'Aaaah but da Brittish, we's paid in dat amount and we waz a net contributtor'.

 

But you weren't. And if you could have built those gigantic infrastructure projects in Wales et al you wouldn't have applied for EU funds and held your hand, would you?

 

And yes, the fact that the EU is debating increasing its budget tells you that the British contribution will not be missed, especially when we'll take in exactly the same amount from tariffs on UK products.

Exactly, but it is like seeds on stoney ground.

In the last 30 or so years, UK exporters have enjoyed a level of trade with the EU that would never have come about had it not been for the single market.

Many small exporters will not be able to stand the "friction" that will be introduced and a large proportion may well downsize or close the operation. An unquantifiable EU based contribution to the economy that will disappear.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, transam said:

Facts.........................????

The only fact I know from you is your dislike of England...............

 

So you admit you only know one fact and its wrong.

????????????????

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats great but most people get their fruit and veg from shops.

And is that farm selling seedless grapes going to supply the needs of the whole UK?

I am sure there is nothing stopping shops and farms from get their fruit and veg direct from UK farms, I know many supermarkets do regarding potatoes as they label the potatoes with the type of potatoes and from which farm they come from

As to the farm selling seedless grapes you will have to contact them to find out the answer to your question

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So you admit you only know one fact and its wrong.

????????????????

Blimey, can't believe you wrote that.....????

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

I am sure there is nothing stopping shops and farms from get their fruit and veg direct from UK farms, I know many supermarkets do regarding potatoes as they label the potatoes with the type of potatoes and from which farm they come from

As to the farm selling seedless grapes you will have to contact them to find out the answer to your question

Shops already get produce from UK farms. The price of that stuff is not going to change much after Brexit.

The stuff in shops which is sourced from the EU is going to be more expensive. 

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Exactly, but it is like seeds on stoney ground.

In the last 30 or so years, UK exporters have enjoyed a level of trade with the EU that would never have come about had it not been for the single market.

Many small exporters will not be able to stand the "friction" that will be introduced and a large proportion may well downsize or close the operation. An unquantifiable EU based contribution to the economy that will disappear.

Myth and Paradox of the Single Market How the trade benefits of EU membership have been mis-sold

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/mythandparadox.pdf

Edited March 7, 2020 by vinny41
typo

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Shops already get produce from UK farms. The price of that stuff is not going to change much after Brexit.

The stuff in shops which is sourced from the EU is going to be more expensive. 

And customers will either accept the increase or find a lower cost alternative or just not purchase the item anymore

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Shops already get produce from UK farms. The price of that stuff is not going to change much after Brexit.

The stuff in shops which is sourced from the EU is going to be more expensive. 

Are you a secret insider, already know the negotiation outcome....? ????

[Rookiescot]

Just now, vinny41 said:

And customers will either accept the increase or find a lower cost alternative or just not purchase the item anymore

Yes I agree. So Brexit is going to have a detrimental effect on peoples choices. Thats not taking back control. Thats losing it.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

57 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I actually did see Alf Garnett. Very amusing

Yes it was just plain humour. As for Love Thy Neigbour. You Whitey!

 

The liberal left, snowflake brigade jump on the bandwagon for anything to chomp at and claim racist, bigot, xenophobe.

 

People are easily offended. Opening a door for a lady or one that is masquerading as one offence to some.

 

Ali G was another great show. All far too serious in my opinion with people sprouting misogony at any opportunity.

 

Heaven forbid someone say love now.

 

 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[Rookiescot]

Just now, transam said:

Are you a secret insider, already know the negotiation outcome....? ????

Its the obvious outcome given Johnsons stated position. No alignment and freedom of movement means tariffs.

But you guys knew that because thats what you all voted for.

You did know what you were voting for didnt you?  

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And customers will either accept the increase or find a lower cost alternative or just not purchase the item anymore

Something like wine and cheese here in Thailand,

not nice though.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its the obvious outcome given Johnsons stated position. No alignment and freedom of movement means tariffs.

But you guys knew that because thats what you all voted for.

You did know what you were voting for didnt you?  

Gawd, struuuuuuth........????

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Something like wine and cheese here in Thailand,

not nice though.

I have found some excellent cheese in Pattaya and cheaper than the UK, I don't drink wine so have no idea on wine prices or quality

[RuamRudy]

14 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes it was just plain humour. As for Love Thy Neigbour. You Whitey!

 

The liberal left, snowflake brigade jump on the bandwagon for anything to chomp at and claim racist, bigot, xenophobe.

 

People are easily offended. Opening a door for a lady or one that is masquerading as one offence to some.

 

Ali G was another great show. All far too serious in my opinion with people sprouting misogony at any opportunity.

 

Heaven forbid someone say love now.

 

 

You do know, don't you, that Warren Mitchell would be, today, considered a leftie, liberal snowflake, and that he was lampooning the right through Alf Garnett? He was literally laughing at racists on national TV!

Edited March 7, 2020 by RuamRudy

[Rookiescot]

Just now, transam said:

Gawd, struuuuuuth........????

Given your non answer I take it you didnt know what you were voting for ????

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I have found some excellent cheese in Pattaya and cheaper than the UK, I don't drink wine so have no idea on wine prices or quality

Domestic or imported?