Britain tells the EU: we shall not sell out our fishermen

[Rookiescot]

39 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

NICOLA STURGEON was humiliated after figures revealed an independent Scotland would fail the European Union membership entrance test.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237297/nicola-sturgeon-scotland-latest-news-independence-referendum-snp-eu-gdp

Scottish independence: Barroso warning on EU membership

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-scotland-20666146/scottish-independence-barroso-warning-on-eu-membership

Can Scotland be independent and keep sterling?

The Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, has also raised doubts about Scotland’s plan to use the pound. He said in January that an independent Scotland would need to give up significant areas of its sovereignty and reach a watertight deal with the UK on banking, taxation and spending if a new sterling zone were to avoid the risks and instability which had plagued the euro.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/03/can-scotland-be-independent-sterling

Scotland referendum 2014: the impact of independence on borders and citizenship

However, the UK Government has warned that the Scottish Government cannot assume that Scotland’s participation in the CTA would be acceptable to the other members.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/scotland-the-referendum-and-independence/impact-on-borders-and-citizenship/

 

As previously stated everything in the SNP white paper was their wishlist nothing more nothing less  and with no agreements in place 

 

Ah the GERS figures. Debunked hundreds of times but Unionists still hold them aloft and claim its a reason for halting independence. Tell me how much VAT collected in Scotland is contained in the GERS figures? How much of the GERS figures does Scotlands share of costs for stuff like HS2 account for? How much of the GERS figures is made up of pension payments that Westminster would be liable for even after independence? Where in the GERS figures are the proceeds from Scottish exports abroad?

 

Barroso. Good grief a Brexiteer quoting Barroso as a source for their argument. You dont see the irony in that? Anyway what he states is any NEW country joining has to go through the extensive procedure. Scotland is not a NEW country joining. It is a member state already.

Also attitudes to Scotland being in the EU have changed since Brexit.

The former EU council president, Donald Tusk, said at the weekend there would be "empathy" for a Scottish membership application.

His predecessor, Herman Van Rompuy, has also acknowledged that Brexit has changed EU attitudes to Scottish independence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51357050

 

Scotland planned to continue to use the pound after independence until we either joined the euro or started our own currency. No-one can stop Scotland using the pound.

 

At least we had a white paper. Where is the Brexit white paper?

[Rookiescot]

26 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, the UN and the EU are rather different, eh? EU law intrudes far more into the business of individual members and is prime and binding, even if it has not been formally passed into UK law by Parliament. There is a single UN charter, with the legal aspects coming under the International Court of Justice (International Law). UN resolutions are not immediately legally binding on all member nations (but many often become part of international law after a a long period of acceptance). 

 

So EU not OK but UN OK (most of the time). UK vetoes within the EU have largely disappeared - ask Tony Blair.

 

I won't explain the extra taxes thing because it's a private matter.

So which laws passed by the EU had a detrimental affect on your life?

 

Fair enough with the tax thing. I did not mean to pry.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah the GERS figures. Debunked hundreds of times but Unionists still hold them aloft and claim its a reason for halting independence. Tell me how much VAT collected in Scotland is contained in the GERS figures? How much of the GERS figures does Scotlands share of costs for stuff like HS2 account for? How much of the GERS figures is made up of pension payments that Westminster would be liable for even after independence? Where in the GERS figures are the proceeds from Scottish exports abroad?

 

Barroso. Good grief a Brexiteer quoting Barroso as a source for their argument. You dont see the irony in that? Anyway what he states is any NEW country joining has to go through the extensive procedure. Scotland is not a NEW country joining. It is a member state already.

Also attitudes to Scotland being in the EU have changed since Brexit.

The former EU council president, Donald Tusk, said at the weekend there would be "empathy" for a Scottish membership application.

His predecessor, Herman Van Rompuy, has also acknowledged that Brexit has changed EU attitudes to Scottish independence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51357050

 

Scotland planned to continue to use the pound after independence until we either joined the euro or started our own currency. No-one can stop Scotland using the pound.

 

At least we had a white paper. Where is the Brexit white paper?

You can use a pound but not the pound. I quote Barroso on all my posts. 

[talahtnut]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Amazing people still talk about Brexit given the Corona pandemic. This (and many other issues) will be gone from any agenda for a very long time, and the UK and the EU might have much worse things to solve than who gets to fish in what waters. 

The bottom line hangs a link between Brexit and the Corona

bog roll panic. Each Brit consumes 110 bog rolls a year two

and half time the European average. The United Kingdom is

Europe's largest importer  of bog rolls and it is said that only

one day's supply of bog rolls exist in stock. If Britain leaves the

EU Customs Union and Single Market and the trucks transporting

bog paper are held up at Calais or Dover, British bums will have

to be wiped appropriately with ripped-up MSM newspapers

as in bygone days.   Brexit hangs in the balance.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah the GERS figures. Debunked hundreds of times but Unionists still hold them aloft and claim its a reason for halting independence. Tell me how much VAT collected in Scotland is contained in the GERS figures? How much of the GERS figures does Scotlands share of costs for stuff like HS2 account for? How much of the GERS figures is made up of pension payments that Westminster would be liable for even after independence? Where in the GERS figures are the proceeds from Scottish exports abroad?

 

Barroso. Good grief a Brexiteer quoting Barroso as a source for their argument. You dont see the irony in that? Anyway what he states is any NEW country joining has to go through the extensive procedure. Scotland is not a NEW country joining. It is a member state already.

Also attitudes to Scotland being in the EU have changed since Brexit.

The former EU council president, Donald Tusk, said at the weekend there would be "empathy" for a Scottish membership application.

His predecessor, Herman Van Rompuy, has also acknowledged that Brexit has changed EU attitudes to Scottish independence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51357050

 

Scotland planned to continue to use the pound after independence until we either joined the euro or started our own currency. No-one can stop Scotland using the pound.

 

At least we had a white paper. Where is the Brexit white paper?

Twelve of the faults in the Scottish Government's independence white paper

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/white-paper-unravelling/twelve-of-the-faults-in-the-scottish-governments-independence-white-paper

 

The UK including Scotland left the EU on January 31st 2020 so Scotland joining the EU would be as a new member state

 

Olli Rehn, the former EU commissioner for monetary union, has said any plan to use the pound without formal permission would “simply not be possible”. Now an MEP, Rehn said it would be impossible for an independent Scotland to join the EU if it used the pound without a formal currency deal or its own central bank.

I suspect given the Coronavirus has kicked into touch any possibility of Scotland having a 2nd independence referendum until 2024-2025 and if Leave won such a referendum it would take a further 5 years of  transition/ separation from the UK before the EU would consider opening talks with Scotland regarding the EU accession process 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

24 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

If Britain leaves the

EU Customs Union and Single Market and the trucks transporting

bog paper are held up at Calais or Dover, British bums will have

to be wiped appropriately with ripped-up MSM newspapers

as in bygone days.  

Now with the Germans panicbuying all the toilet paper, I see WWIII coming. Those krauts again. 

 

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah the GERS figures. Debunked hundreds of times but Unionists still hold them aloft and claim its a reason for halting independence. Tell me how much VAT collected in Scotland is contained in the GERS figures? How much of the GERS figures does Scotlands share of costs for stuff like HS2 account for? How much of the GERS figures is made up of pension payments that Westminster would be liable for even after independence? Where in the GERS figures are the proceeds from Scottish exports abroad?

 

Barroso. Good grief a Brexiteer quoting Barroso as a source for their argument. You dont see the irony in that? Anyway what he states is any NEW country joining has to go through the extensive procedure. Scotland is not a NEW country joining. It is a member state already.

Also attitudes to Scotland being in the EU have changed since Brexit.

The former EU council president, Donald Tusk, said at the weekend there would be "empathy" for a Scottish membership application.

His predecessor, Herman Van Rompuy, has also acknowledged that Brexit has changed EU attitudes to Scottish independence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51357050

 

Scotland planned to continue to use the pound after independence until we either joined the euro or started our own currency. No-one can stop Scotland using the pound.

 

At least we had a white paper. Where is the Brexit white paper?

 

maybe Scotland is a member state already, but definitely not a memberstate of EU,

must be smth else you think of, UEFA or smth like that

 

Scotland is not even a recognized sovereign state

 

having said that, I don't see much trouble for Scotland in becoming a sovereign state and shaping

up for EU membership

 

no one can stop Scotland from using the pound?

I guess that if/when Scotland leaves UK then there will be some talks and some written

agreements - to a large extent, my guess, that will be the instrument regulating to what extent

Scotland can use the pound

 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

The bottom line hangs a link between Brexit and the Corona

bog roll panic. Each Brit consumes 110 bog rolls a year two

and half time the European average. The United Kingdom is

Europe's largest importer  of bog rolls and it is said that only

one day's supply of bog rolls exist in stock. If Britain leaves the

EU Customs Union and Single Market and the trucks transporting

bog paper are held up at Calais or Dover, British bums will have

to be wiped appropriately with ripped-up MSM newspapers

as in bygone days.   Brexit hangs in the balance.

 

MSM newspapers should be saved for the reinstated delicacy, vinegar dripping Guardians

around salty fish and chips

 

ripped up paper copies of the Treaty of Rome can be used for wiping in the bogs

 

[transam]

15 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

maybe Scotland is a member state already, but definitely not a memberstate of EU,

must be smth else you think of, UEFA or smth like that

 

Scotland is not even a recognized sovereign state

 

having said that, I don't see much trouble for Scotland in becoming a sovereign state and shaping

up for EU membership

 

no one can stop Scotland from using the pound?

I guess that if/when Scotland leaves UK then there will be some talks and some written

agreements - to a large extent, my guess, that will be the instrument regulating to what extent

Scotland can use the pound

 

The Scot shield beaters will not like that as the pound was created by an Anglo-Saxon English King a zillion years back....????

[URMySunshine]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Amazing people still talk about Brexit given the Corona pandemic. This (and many other issues) will be gone from any agenda for a very long time, and the UK and the EU might have much worse things to solve than who gets to fish in what waters. 

Too true - surviving as a society the best we can is enough for the foreseeable. Grim times indeed and markets crashing like no other time in history - FTSE gone below 5000 <deleted> and pound falling off the cliff. We need to help each other particular elderly neighbours in our communities.

[talahtnut]

2 hours ago, transam said:

The Scot shield beaters will not like that as the pound was created by an Anglo-Saxon English King a zillion years back....????

They will have to go back to Bodles and Grouts,

on the Sporran Exchange.

[melvinmelvin]

who has time for Brexit among all these virii

 

supposedly applies to government as well,

no news from 10 - no news from westminster

 

[izod10]

Now Barnier has confirmed dose of China Flu,and his entire negotiating team,perhaps a good time to place a do not resuscitate notice over his bed head

  My mate Pedro in Madrid always stated Gibraltar would become the new Fleetwood,Spain/Italy would buy fish from anywhere

Edited March 19, 2020 by izod10

[URMySunshine]

BJ should announce that every EU citizen in a key worker role will be granted immediate and instant British Citizenship at no cost and with minimal bureaucracy now. They're going to risk their lives on the frontline it is the least we can do. 

[evadgib]

21 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

BJ should announce that every EU citizen in a key worker role will be granted immediate and instant British Citizenship at no cost and with minimal bureaucracy now. They're going to risk their lives on the frontline it is the least we can do. 

Three million granted status under the EU Settlement Scheme

HTH

[Omnipotent]

But...for a small price...shhh!

[URMySunshine]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

Three million granted status under the EU Settlement Scheme

HTH

That is settled status I'm talking about British citizenship which is a higher grade of nationality and more expensive and harder to gain.

[Logosone]

On 3/15/2020 at 8:12 PM, nauseus said:

 I'm just glad that sterling was not replaced by the Euro. 

 

Me too, it's enough to bail out Greece.

 

Imagine having to bail out the UK soon as well. 

[nauseus]

On 3/18/2020 at 11:51 PM, melvinmelvin said:

who has time for Brexit among all these virii

 

supposedly applies to government as well,

no news from 10 - no news from westminster

 

Press calls and updates at least 2x a day Melvin. The content sometimes is probably not as strong as needed at this time, however.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

Me too, it's enough to bail out Greece.

 

Imagine having to bail out the UK soon as well. 

We can bail ourselves out. We got our own bank. Na na na na na.

Edited March 20, 2020 by nauseus

[CharlieH]

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If you cut n paste over sized badly formatted text the entire post will be removed.

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Press calls and updates at least 2x a day Melvin. The content sometimes is probably not as strong as needed at this time, however.

yes,

its quite astonishing how little and how thin soup is required as an excuse for bothering the press . . .

 

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

yes,

its quite astonishing how little and how thin soup is required as an excuse for bothering the press . . .

 

Corona consommé, Sir? But the soup is thickening quickly now: Boris finally closed bars, pubs and restaurants last night. 

 

Yet to see if they will allow fast-track approval on any vaccine but I don't think there is much choice.  

[melvinmelvin]

26 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Corona consommé, Sir? But the soup is thickening quickly now: Boris finally closed bars, pubs and restaurants last night. 

 

Yet to see if they will allow fast-track approval on any vaccine but I don't think there is much choice.  

yes,

TVF just opened a new thread addressing that

and with schools unis kindergartens closed and dentist offices closed and and and

 

things are getting difficult, lots of people will be without income

how to serve mortgages and how to provide food and heavy

 

challenges ahead

soon you will start to see what BJ is made of, does he have the qualities required

to lead a nation in relatively deep shetye?

 

 

[melvinmelvin]