U.S. envoy blames China for endangering world with coronavirus

[gearbox]

17 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Well put we are in Jenga world and the tower had been built pretty high but it's not a pretty sight. Plus it's all robots now those jobs have gone forever. 

In the end the appearance of this virus may prove beneficial to the West and the economies might get aligned to longer term objectives instead of chasing the next election win. Bill Gates, a smart dude, had in 2015 a pandemic presentation which was a spot on in regards to what is happening now. If the West invested much more money in scientific innovation than useless real estate Ponzi schemes,  we could be in way better shape to respond now. How could that happen when a plumber is paid more than a biochemist?

[Felt 35]

4 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The U.S. ambassador to London has said China had endangered the world by suppressing information about the coronavirus outbreak thus allowing it to spread far beyond the Communist republic’s borders.

 

Cant see any reason to disagree with him. 

[Logosone]

Ummm, they also helped by telling us about it, and submitting info at the WHO, riiiiight?

[Logosone]

Also, sharing the genomic analysis of the virus was rather helpful...

[fcbkk]

57 minutes ago, rabas said:

They intend to further weaken the EU by causing division.

 

For me, whether or not this is biological warfare depends on how China responds to a weaked West, not how the virus was created.

 

 

No it is not biological warfare. Whether gestures constitute genuine assistance or tinged propaganda it does not change that fact. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/17/covid-19-coronavirus-did-not-come-from-a-lab-study-shows-natural-origins/#617920763728

[NorthernRyland]

37 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The task in hand is to defeat the virus in every country. These comments blaming the Chinese do absolutely nothing towards helping the fight against the virus and might very well hinder cooperation.

We can't chew gum and walk?

[fcbkk]

3 hours ago, Ventenio said:

It IS exactly the time to blame.  It solves the stress for billions.  People now have a place to vent.  It's NOT the time to act.

 

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Nonsense.

 

Blame creates more stress and diverts attention from the priority action needed. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by fcbkk
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[utalkin2me]

I wonder who these people blame for all the people dying in Iran for lack of sanctioned medical supplies. 

[RichardColeman]

The truth about Wuhan will never be revealed until they publish the next Wuhan telephone directory 

[fcbkk]

3 hours ago, Emeraldisle said:

Call a spade a spade. We all know that the Chinese with their disgusting choices of food are responsible for this. In the future nobody should be allowed to leave China without being quarantined for an appropriate length of time first. If you visit China be prepared to be quarantined before you are let loose in another county.  

 

Utter rubbish as you fully well know.

It is humanity who drives the abuse of the planet without respect for nature that creates the conditions for this to happen. It can happen again anytime in many places on this planet. 

And don‘t get me started on some of the disgusting choices of “food” in the  so called developed west. 

 

Good article here if you care to read 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/25/new-virus-china-covid-19-food-markets

[gearbox]

20 minutes ago, fruitman said:

 

That's all happening because of the unhygienic chinese who tried to kept the wu-flu secret...and it is far from over yet.

How did they keep it secret? The Wuhan lockdown started on Jan 23 and it was widely publicised, how many countries have put ban on inbound Chinese flights on Jan 24?

[fcbkk]

11 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I hope you two are joking.

 

Greece has received billions from the German taxpayer. If it wasn't for the EU help Greece would be in the poor house now.

 

Greece arguably is in the poor house in many ways, and some of those are self-inflicted despite billions of assistance. But the refugee problem has not been helped with by EU countries as promised and that is a situation that will only get worse. 

[fcbkk]

40 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Also, sharing the genomic analysis of the virus was rather helpful...

 

They did release info as and when they realised it was a serious situation that could not be swept under the carpet. But it should and could have happened sooner with a free press.  

[mike787]

China is FULLY responsible to mishandling this.  Period.

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, fcbkk said:

 

They did release info as and when they realised it was a serious situation that could not be swept under the carpet. But it should and could have happened sooner with a free press.  

I don't think we in the West are in any position to talk about express action, when our own governments, from Merkel, to Boris, to Donald, to Emannuel, reacted in god damn slow motion as they watched Wuhan....

 

How much more notice did these idiots need to do something? They had warnings as early as 2012 and 2015 and they did sweet f'all.

[jonesthepost]

3 hours ago, darrendsd said:

If they had done the right thing and closed their Borders/Airports early it wouldn't have spread worldwide

THE W.H.O  Seem to thing and advise that was not needed   

[timendres]

58 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Ummm, they also helped by telling us about it, and submitting info at the WHO, riiiiight?

58 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Also, sharing the genomic analysis of the virus was rather helpful...

Any thought that the CCP would take any of these actions without cold, calculated precision is delusional. Of course, that would be true of pretty much any government. The CCP understand the horrible situation this virus has placed them in, and they are expending every resource and taking every action possible to mitigate the flustercuck this has become. They are fighting on two fronts: the rest of the world blaming them for this crisis; and their own people turning on them if the economy falters, which it very likely will. @NCC1701A may have been tongue in cheek when he mentioned that this would lead to war, but far smaller events have, and this one has all the makings.

Edited March 26, 2020 by timendres

[fcbkk]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

I don't think we in the West are in any position to talk about express action, when our own governments, from Merkel, to Boris, to Donald, to Emannuel, reacted in god damn slow motion as they watched Wuhan....

 

How much more notice did these idiots need to do something? They had warnings as early as 2012 and 2015 and they did sweet f'all.

 

Right agreed too little happened too late. As i said in an earlier post “let’s hold elected authorities accountable”. 

 

But of course it is for us (thinking people, not “The West”) to demand more timely action from all responsible. If not us (the people in each country) then who else?

 

Here is a seismic shift happening, which hopefully leads to some major improvements for future generations. 

[fruitman]

38 minutes ago, gearbox said:

How did they keep it secret? The Wuhan lockdown started on Jan 23 and it was widely publicised, how many countries have put ban on inbound Chinese flights on Jan 24?

Before that there were chinese doctors who already discovered this virus on patients, they even ring the alarmbells but they disappeared...even their families have no idea where they are now.

[idiot farang]

18 minutes ago, jonesthepost said:

THE W.H.O  Seem to thing and advise that was not needed   

The WHO, as with the UN, is a leftist globalist s-storm that is waaaaayyyyyy too political and waaaaayy too PC. The WHO should be objective and base its pronouncements on fact. This is demonstrably NOT the case. Like the UN, it serves no purpose other than to carry the water of its like minded masters.

 

What's next, are you going to cite the SPLC as an unbiased arbiter of facts?!?!?  wake tf up. geesh....

[rabas]

42 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

The truth about Wuhan will never be revealed until they publish the next Wuhan telephone directory 

It's been done, courtesy of Chinese Telecom statistics. Since the CCP makes mobile phones indispensable for life in China, then why have 21 million accounts disappeared?  One of many possibilities is an effort to control information in the media. 

 

China’s Mobile Carriers Lose 21 Million Users as Virus Bites

Coronavirus casualties may be higher in China than reported

[URMySunshine]

1 hour ago, fcbkk said:

 

redistributing money and resources from stronger areas to weaker ones is a major factor in fighting inequality, creating opportunities through education and employment in scientific research and development engineering and and and.

Where would Wales (to name one example) be without EU structure funds from the last tens of years?

 

There are many good things about the EU cooperation incl defence. Of course many things need to be improved but to say there is nothing done to help each other is wrong imo. 

 

P.S German hospitals are also taking patients from France and other countries. The EU is organising logistics and inventories of medical equipment etc. But all this should have happened faster sooner etc. Very few countries and regions were well prepared for this. Let‘s hold elected leaders accountable. 

Plumbers are just as useful as biochemists - but the BANKERS, THE BANKERS oh and the Realtors and billionaires that are really evil. Textbook evil. Particularly those that have trouble spraying themselves with orange dye.

[NCC1701A]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Ummm, they also helped by telling us about it, and submitting info at the WHO, riiiiight?

helped us? what are you talking about?  Communist China is your sworn enemy.

 

they did everything they could to cover this up. they arrested the eight doctors who discovered the virus as enemies of the state for releasing the information they had uncovered. They lied and lied and lied.

 

they let the virus out of China with no warning knowing full well what would happen in mass so other economies would be destroyed along with their own.

 

they delayed as long as they could while they used their huge slave labor force to produce masks and other equipment and now they are flying all over the world as our saviors with their "ChinaAid" boxes at press conferences all over the world. 

 

IT MAKES ME SICK.

 

They should be made to pay for all of this. 

     

[NCC1701A]

29 more days to go. what do we talk about now?

 

[fcbkk]

36 minutes ago, idiot farang said:

The WHO, as with the UN, is a leftist globalist s-storm that is waaaaayyyyyy too political and waaaaayy too PC. The WHO should be objective and base its pronouncements on fact. This is demonstrably NOT the case. Like the UN, it serves no purpose other than to carry the water of its like minded masters.

 

What's next, are you going to cite the SPLC as an unbiased arbiter of facts?!?!?  wake tf up. geesh....

 

Are you doing a double shift in the Breitbart factory? 

 

The WHO and UN are good organisations that do base their findings on the best scientific knowledge available at the time. You on the other hand have not mentioned a single fact. 

 

The UN especially could be far more useful to the good of humanity if it wasn’t crippled financially and politically by veto rights, systematically abused by (funny coincidence) the US and CN. 

[fcbkk]

15 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

The ranters don't get the irony that they are similarly 'dirty farangs' to an element of Thai society and they are being played - sauce for the goose and all that. We are all humans and have a lot more in common than not but the leaders of nearly every country would exploit differences for their own venal  ends and want us to look sideways and not up. 

 

Well said. I can only hope more people do look up and we can create some positive changes in the wake of this seismic shift. 

[Logosone]

58 minutes ago, timendres said:

Any thought that the CCP would take any of these actions without cold, calculated precision is delusional. Of course, that would be true of pretty much any government. The CCP understand the horrible situation this virus has placed them in, and they are expending every resource and taking every action possible to mitigate the flustercuck this has become. They are fighting on two fronts: the rest of the world blaming them for this crisis; and their own people turning on them if the economy falters, which it very likely will. @NCC1701A may have been tongue in cheek when he mentioned that this would lead to war, but far smaller events have, and this one has all the makings.

I think NCC1701A is a fantastic comedian, a very funny guy. I hope he was joking when said this could lead to war because frankly with this kind of crisis I doubt very much any country would be insane enough to go to war. They all have enough on their plate as it is.

 

 

[URMySunshine]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

I think NCC1701A is a fantastic comedian, a very funny guy. I hope he was joking when said this could lead to war because frankly with this kind of crisis I doubt very much any country would be insane enough to go to war. They all have enough on their plate as it is.

 

 

If anyone seriously wants war then they are seriously deranged. 

[timendres]

5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I think NCC1701A is a fantastic comedian, a very funny guy. I hope he was joking when said this could lead to war because frankly with this kind of crisis I doubt very much any country would be insane enough to go to war. They all have enough on their plate as it is.

Every war in history is a testimonial to the extreme levels of insanity of which our species is capable. Let's hope that economies are not devastated by this event, since the increasing standard of living worldwide is a big part of what has been holding this chaos together. To be honest, I am more concerned about internal breakdowns than I am about wars breaking out between countries.

[rasmus5150]

My goodness. This thread is more interesting than any Netflix show.

 

Thank you for keeping me entertained until 01:00. G'Night