February 17th 2020 China Officials from the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology have said clinical trials show a conventional anti-malarial drug is effective in treating coronavirus patients. Commission said early diagnosis and treatment are an effective approach, which is reflected in the declining number of severe cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBjKRitNedk

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Early diagnosis (testing) and treatment with the drug cocktail for those at high risk has better results.

During the second phase of the disease the lungs are already damaged

by the COVID-19 virus that hijacks the cells and uses the cells resources to

reproduce more virus making it more difficult to treat with any drugs.

 

2 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

I never said that it should not be under a doctors supervision. It is obviously a good treatment with very high success rates to date. It will suffice to reduce the amount of panic and stress on the health system quite efficiently until the vaccines are available.

 

But as long as you can keep up the trump bashing it must be maintained as not a viable solution to the problem. 

Mods: Is the reply below permitted?

 

let's agree you cease posting MSM and other conspiracy allegations, referring to people as lefties in a discussion regards appropriateness or otherwise of treatments and so on. If so, to make you happy, I'll stop 'bashing' trump in my replies to you. For the meantime you may like to read the following fact check of trump administration statements re Covid????

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/fact-check-trump-administration-coronavirus-28-dishonest/index.html

 

 

Edited April 7, 20206 yr by simple1

So looks like Trump may have been right all along, as is usually the case.

 

Much to the dismay of the left rooting for a catastrophe to falsely pin on Orange Man Bad.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

hint;  many medicines are legally available without a prescription in thailand and many other countries.

 

hint; what they decided to do was based upon the consensus from thousands of doctors worldwide that are treating covid 19 patients

 

doctors themselves are advocating same for themselves and family members.

 

 

 

enjoy your antithetical critical thinking

 

 

Your first 'Hint', yes I know, but then are these particular medicines amongst those or are you speaking without knowing. 

 

Your second 'Hint'. I'm not at all sure on what basis you claim 'what they decided to do...'? Perhaps you can provide us with the evidence to back up your statement. 

 

I'm not at all sure what doctors are doing, and I'm not inclined to accept your word or that of any other stranger on the internet. 

 

 

obviously drugs spoken of in context of this thread/article

 

did post #9 on this thread mean anything to you?

 

ditto above

11 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

obviously drugs spoken of in context of this thread/article

 

did post #9 on this thread mean anything to you?

 

ditto above

I’ve been very clear, I’ll take my medical advice from flesh and blood doctors in face to face consultations. I urge others to do likewise.

 

Dubious URLs posted by complete strangers on the Internet are not professional medical advice and might very well be fabricated nonsense.

 

10 hours ago, Tug said:

Let’s all hope it’s helping and not harming 

If patients think it will help, even if it doesn't really help, it still helps. It gives hope when there is none. The placebo effect can be powerful.

9 minutes ago, tropo said:

If patients think it will help, even if it doesn't really help, it still helps. It gives hope when there is none. The placebo effect can be powerful.

Side effects and interactions can be pretty powerful too.

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Side effects and interactions can be pretty powerful too.

In case you haven't been paying attention, one of the side effects of covid-9 is death...

 

You'll see scary side effects on every drug insert for every drug you've ever tasted. You'll always find someone that can't tolerate peanut butter or bee stings.

 

If I'm dying on a ventilator, please hand me some hydroxychloroquine. It has been used extensively for years and is well tolerated in most people.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 7, 20206 yr by tropo

This story mischaracterizes what was said - failing to mention that the best results in studies to-date came from using the a drug COMBINATION - cited in the French studies and by Trump - hydroxychloroquine PLUS Azithromycin (z-pac).   To write a story on hydroxychloroquine, without mentioning Azithromycin from the outset (not far down) does not make sense, unless the purpose is to mislead the reader.

Edited April 7, 20206 yr by JackThompson

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

obviously drugs spoken of in context of this thread/article

 

did post #9 on this thread mean anything to you?

 

ditto above

I’ve been very clear, I’ll take my medical advice from flesh and blood doctors in face to face consultations. I urge others to do likewise.

 

Dubious URLs posted by complete strangers on the Internet are not professional medical advice and might very well be fabricated nonsense.

 

medscape is an internationally highly respected resource for physicians    you are most welcome to research if it is "fabricated nonsense" , dubious website

 

please watch the video

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927342

 

 

12 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

This story mischaracterizes what was said - failing to mention that the best results in studies to-date came from using the a drug COMBINATION - cited in the French studies and by Trump - hydroxychloroquine PLUS Azithromycin (z-pac).   To write a story on hydroxychloroquine, without mentioning Azithromycin from the outset (not far down) does not make sense, unless the purpose is to mislead the reader.

 

The story is right. Chloroquine's properties against SARS viruses have been studied for 17 years and the mechanisms are known. I have posted them elsewhere. The use of additional antibiotics for pneumonia is common, it guards against  further infection. A few antibiotics. have limited antiviral activity.

 

The only way the story would be wrong is by believing Trump is god. Trump has nothing to do with it. Everyone was already looking at Chloroquine. That WHY Trump mentioned it. The insane MSM propaganda fabricated a fake issue about it which may kill millions. 

8 hours ago, Steven Brothers said:

Side effects can include retina damage and heart arrythmia so please be careful to only use these drugs under a doctors supervision.

There is an incredible amount of nonsense being thrown around about these drugs. We are talking about a five to ten day dosing. The chances of a serious side effect are infinitely smaller than the potential issues you might be facing if you are over 60, have Covid, and are symptomatic. 

 

It is known that some people who take hydroxychloroquine for more than five years and/or in high doses are at increased risk of damage to their retina, the light sensitive layer of cells at the back of the eye. This is known as retinal toxicity or retinopathy.

 

https://www.rcophth.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Patient-information-leaflet-draft-1.pdf

 

 

Azithromycin, check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur:

 

More common

1. Diarrhea
2. loose stools

Less common

1. Blistering, crusting, irritation, itching, or reddening of the skin
2. cracked, dry, or scaly skin
3. fever
4. swelling

There are more potentially serious side effects, but they are very rare, and typically involved underlying conditions and interactions with other drugs. 

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/azithromycin-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20072362?p=1

 

 

 

1 hour ago, rabas said:

 

The story is right. Chloroquine's properties against SARS viruses have been studied for 17 years and the mechanisms are known. I have posted them elsewhere. The use of additional antibiotics for pneumonia is common, it guards against  further infection. A few antibiotics. have limited antiviral activity.

 

The only way the story would be wrong is by believing Trump is god. Trump has nothing to do with it. Everyone was already looking at Chloroquine. That WHY Trump mentioned it. The insane MSM propaganda fabricated a fake issue about it which may kill millions. 

The story dismissive of the malaria-drug, when what appears (in early studies) to be very effective is the combination. 

 

Agree on Trump and the MSM.   And don't count-out big-pharma to be trying to discourage this treatment, since they cannot reap big "in-patent" profits on it.  The same folks who own big-pharma own the MSM, after all.

 

 

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

LOL - the 'experts' trump listens to concerning Covid include Giuliani and Kushner.

This is a somewhat worthy tangent.  Kushner is neck-deep in this behind the scenes, and comes from a criminal family, who bought his way into Harvard (he's not very smart).  But I doubt even he would try something this stupid, given he knows the political-opposition will be picking it all apart - in real-time, and again later. 

So far, it appears his "group" are bringing in private persons on a volunteer basis, and much of the work is being donated, to avoid even the appearance of profiteering on this.  But anything that gets Kushner and Ivanka out of the Trump WH would be great news to me - exactly No One voted for them.

21 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There is an incredible amount of nonsense being thrown around about these drugs. We are talking about a five to ten day dosing. The chances of a serious side effect are infinitely smaller than the potential issues you might be facing if you are over 60, have Covid, and are symptomatic. 

 

It is known that some people who take hydroxychloroquine for more than five years and/or in high doses are at increased risk of damage to their retina, the light sensitive layer of cells at the back of the eye. This is known as retinal toxicity or retinopathy.

 

https://www.rcophth.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Patient-information-leaflet-draft-1.pdf

 

 

Azithromycin, check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur:

 

More common

1. Diarrhea
2. loose stools

Less common

1. Blistering, crusting, irritation, itching, or reddening of the skin
2. cracked, dry, or scaly skin
3. fever
4. swelling

There are more potentially serious side effects, but they are very rare, and typically involved underlying conditions and interactions with other drugs. 

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/azithromycin-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20072362?p=1

 

 

 

 

excellent post.  reason is setting in.

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Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works

 

Let's consider this headline. First off, embrace is a sensational word. So let's start with what the headline is really saying. Doctors are anxious about this drug as it relates to treating COVID-19 symptoms.

The headline states there is no hard evidence it works to essentially discourage Hydroxychloroquine from being used.

 

Using this as a standard, there will never be any advancements in drug therapies. After all, if you can't use a drug to treat a disease or condition without hard evidence it works, you can't ever get hard evidence.

 

This is at the very core of why people don't or shouldn't trust the media. With regards to Hydroxychloroquine, frankly it appears leftists literally want more people to die. Governor Andy Cuomo even banned its outpatient use in New York.

 

My god what is wrong with these people?

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

against people with zero medical training giving advice on taking these drugs?

Who are you talking about?

11 hours ago, J Town said:

https://truthout.org/articles/hydroxychloroquine-company-had-million-dollar-contract-with-former-trump-lawyer/

There are some problems with this article:

1) hydroxychloroquine is a generic, any pharma can produce and supply it as a bulk API (active pharmaceutical ingredient). Here's ten for starters:

https://pharmaoffer.com/api-excipient-supplier/hydroxychloroquine

 

Here's two more:

https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/mylan-and-teva-make-malaria-drug-pledges-on-covid-19

No particular reason for Novartis to make much out of this.

 

2) The Novartis-Cohen contract expired in Feb 2018

 

3) (slightly postdating the Truthout revelations) Trump has pressured India for supplies of hydroxychloroquine:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52180660

How's that going to boost Novartis?

 

Incompetence looks a better explanation than corruption in this case: Trump just needs a quick fix/game changer to help him get re-elected, or at least offer hope to his constituency.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11281433/asymptomatic-coronavirus-without-symptoms/

 

what are the symptoms ?

GHOST CARRIER

What does asymptomatic mean, and can I still have coronavirus without symptoms?

• Dan Keane

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

against people with zero medical training giving advice on taking these drugs?

Who are you talking about?

 

i have posted current treatment guidelines from mass general hospital, harvard medical school, posted highly regarded, highly respected by physicians worldwide on medscape.com. all non dubious easily verifiable credible websites yet continue to get a "confused emoticom"

 

 

1 minute ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11281433/asymptomatic-coronavirus-without-symptoms/

 

what are the symptoms ?

GHOST CARRIER

What does asymptomatic mean, and can I still have coronavirus without symptoms?

• Dan Keane

 

depending on ones immune system possible to asymptomatic or just mildly symptomatic.  you might say the very lucky ones are asymptomatic or just have mild symptoms.

 

the downside is potential to spread it if you feel fine.

14 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Hydroxychloroquine, frankly it appears leftists literally want more people to die. Governor Andy Cuomo even banned its outpatient use in New York.

Apparently that's to protect stocks for use in hospitals:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/

 

(Which may not make sense, because one factor obfuscating the effectiveness of the drug may be that it works far better started early, but it's a far cry from wanting people to die for political reasons...)

3 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

i have posted current treatment guidelines from mass general hospital, harvard medical school, posted highly regarded, highly respected by physicians worldwide on medscape.com. all non dubious easily verifiable credible websites yet continue to get a "confused emoticom"

 

 

There appears to be a new rule in place. You can only go by expert opinions that differ from those Trump listens to. What a shame so many leftists hate Trump so much, they literally want more people to die from this virus. It's almost physically sickening.

More interesting reading; topic related. https://www.thedailybeast.com/chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-draw-rebukes-from-eu-us-toxicology-authorities-for-coronavirus-use-dangers

 

 

2 minutes ago, candide said:

 

Lol! If Trump had held the opposite view, you would likely argue against it.

If this subject gets political, it's because of your moron!

Have a look outside the US microcosm and you will see there isn't any political stance about it. Dignified leaders know when they have to shut their mouth and let scientists and health professionals do their job. Trump doesn't and cannot stop opening it.

Wow, ad hominem. Apparently I struck a nerve. I'm guessing by now you've read about Cuomo preventing medical advancements to treat COVID-19 with Hydroxychloroquine and obviously understand the optics of it- especially given the plethora, hundreds of millions, of FREE doses being donated. And that doesn't count actual SALES.

 

Now let's tackle your assertion about dignified leaders shutting their mouth. I'm sorry, about what? Trump is essentially the CEO of the country. Like any CEO, he has a plethora of experts on various fields. Obviously, the CEO is going to collect information from people uses as delegates to acquire said information and then spread said information. It's silly to think any leader is somehow supposed to shut up about certain aspects of his operation. Nonsensical.

 

And of course it's leftists who've made it political- and obviously out of hatred for Donald Trump.

 

As to what I'd do if Trump said the opposite? That appears to be projection on your part. Obviously, a rational person who observes there is conflicting data on a drug to treat a virus we're in the middle of suffering through a pandemic.... that person will take the position to conduct further trials. Why would anyone not take that position? I think if you can be introspective for a moment, you can answer that question for yourself.

16 hours ago, webfact said:

Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works

 

(if i may post something lighthearted)

 

i had tried viagra well in advance of the clinical trials being completed and had all the hard evidence i needed.

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

More interesting reading; topic related. https://www.thedailybeast.com/chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-draw-rebukes-from-eu-us-toxicology-authorities-for-coronavirus-use-dangers

 

 

Hilarious article. Hydroxychlorquine has been in use in the US since 1955. It is even prescribed to pregnant women. Of course, all drugs have potential side effects.

 

I think a rational person is going to question why is it certain people of a certain political slant are doing everything they can to discourage its use. Very bizarre, especially for a drug so commonly used.

 

Suddenly, leftists are worried about side effects. Oh please. LOL