Special Report: Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works

[Shocked]

Ruters. HA HA HA just a Anti-Trump Liberal Fake News. I won't even waste my time reading that junk. 

[Shocked]

13 hours ago, J Town said:

People have died taking this drug without first getting advice from a doctor. Turns out Trump has financial ties to this drug. Heavy sigh . . .

That is one big lie. Prove it J Town or delete your post. 

[Eric Loh]

24 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Hilarious article. Hydroxychlorquine has been in use in the US since 1955. It is even prescribed to pregnant women. Of course, all drugs have potential side effects.

 

I think a rational person is going to question why is it certain people of a certain political slant are doing everything they can to discourage its use. Very bizarre, especially for a drug so commonly used.

 

Suddenly, leftists are worried about side effects. Oh please. LOL

Off course hydroxychlorquine has been used a long time ago and approved by FDA as an anti-malaria drug not for corona virus treatment. Rather lame reason. 
 

You are allowing your emotion to cloud your ability to be objective. You are willing to ignore the untested drug and warning of the side effects for the sake of being defensive. That is self righteousness that sadly misplaced. 

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Off course hydroxychlorquine has been used a long time ago and approved by FDA as an anti-malaria drug not for corona virus treatment. Rather lame reason. 
 

You are allowing your emotion to cloud your ability to be objective. You are willing to ignore the untested drug and warning of the side effects for the sake of being defensive. That is self righteousness that sadly misplaced. 

No, you're wrong. Many drugs end up being used for purposes other than their initial purpose. In fact, many scientific discoveries happen while pursuing something else altogether. So, based on historical facts and reality, using hydroxychloroquine as treatment for similar maladies is a matter of common practice and logic, not emotion.

 

And logically, would you say a drug prescribed to pregnant women is most likely a very safe drug? Did you even know that hydroxychloroquine was developed and used as a safe alternative to chloroquine? You see, I knew these things and that is why I laugh at the article you linked to.

 

I am NOT ignoring warning. And obviously, Hydroxychloroquine isn't untested. Your assertion to the contrary is completely and totally false.

[Throatwobbler]

8 hours ago, simple1 said:

I known you've claimed you're a qualified medical practitioner so interested to hear from you who is claiming 99.9% of doctors w/w are using Hydroxychloroquine for treatment of Covid-19. 

 

Dr Anthony Fauci, the country’s top infectious disease doctor, has repeatedly warned that there is no conclusive evidence to support using the drug. Asked whether it should be considered a treatment for Covid-19, he said on 24 March: “The answer is no.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/hydroxychloroquine-trump-coronavirus-drug

 

President Donald Trump and his administration kept up their out-sized promotion Monday of an anti-malaria drug not yet officially approved for fighting the new coronavirus, even though scientists say more testing is needed before it’s proven safe and effective against COVID-19.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/debate-heats-anti-malaria-drug-covid-19-69997268

You are wasting your time. Trump said it so for the Trump bots it must be true. Every word uttered by their master is true.

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

No, you're wrong. Many drugs end up being used for purposes other than their initial purpose. In fact, many scientific discoveries happen while pursuing something else altogether. So, based on historical facts and reality, using hydroxychloroquine as treatment for similar maladies is a matter of common practice and logic, not emotion.

 

And logically, would you say a drug prescribed to pregnant women is most likely a very safe drug? Did you even know that hydroxychloroquine was developed and used as a safe alternative to chloroquine? You see, I knew these things and that is why I laugh at the article you linked to.

 

I am NOT ignoring warning. And obviously, Hydroxychloroquine isn't untested. Your assertion to the contrary is completely and totally false.

There are good reason why WHO call this virus a novel corona virus. There are just so many things that we don’t know about CD19. How they attack the body is still being studied. For instance, Malaria attack the liver and spleen while CD19 attack the lung. What complications can be caused by ingesting hydroxychloroquine can only be verified by vigorous medical tests in accordance with FDA standards. 

 

[candide]

56 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow, ad hominem. Apparently I struck a nerve. I'm guessing by now you've read about Cuomo preventing medical advancements to treat COVID-19 with Hydroxychloroquine and obviously understand the optics of it- especially given the plethora, hundreds of millions, of FREE doses being donated. And that doesn't count actual SALES.

The usual Trumper's fake news. Cuomo just follows FDA's guidelines.

 

"In a March 23 executive order, Mr. Cuomo barred pharmacists from filling prescriptions for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, its next-generation derivative, except for FDA-approved uses, such as for treating malaria or lupus, or as part of clinical trials for COVID-19.

The next day, the Democratic governor announced that the Trump administration and FDA had accelerated deliveries of the drug to New York for experimental therapies aimed at treating the novel coronavirus, adding that “hospitals will start using that drug today.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/5/rudy-giuliani-urges-andrew-cuomo-lift-hydroxychlor/

 

Had Trump not opened his big gob, Cuomo and others would likely not need to issue warnings in order to avoid uncontrolled use and stockpiling.

 

And now you try to convince us that your posts are not motivated by the will to support Trump in any case, as your previous posting record shows beyond any reasonable doubt. Lol.

[atyclb]

47 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Off course hydroxychlorquine has been used a long time ago and approved by FDA as an anti-malaria drug not for corona virus treatment. Rather lame reason. 
 

You are allowing your emotion to cloud your ability to be objective. You are willing to ignore the untested drug and warning of the side effects for the sake of being defensive. That is self righteousness that sadly misplaced. 

 

therefore thousands if not tens of thousands of physicians treating covid 19 around the world suffer from clouded objectivity and misplaced self righteousness

[Monomial]

15 hours ago, J Town said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-news-arizona-man-dies-after-taking-chloroquine-drug-touted-by-trump-as-treatment/

 

There are others if you research yourself. While this example is only one person, sure would be a drag if that person was you.

 

Oh please. That was discussed ad nauseum a few days ago. That person didn't take a pharmaceutical drug. He took some strange fish supplement that just happened to have it listed as an ingredient. He most likely died from the toxic effects of one of the other ingredients.

 

This is how fake news gets started.

 

For the vast, vast majority of people, the drug is completely safe in the manner being suggested. Western medical services are way too hung up on lawsuits and liability. It is time we started applying some common sense to health. There are times when the modern emphasis on absolute risk mitigation make good sense, such as when I'm passed out and can't think for myself. There are many, many more where it simply adds ridiculous cost and overhead to something that people used to be able to do by themselves without mortgaging their life and spending 8 years studying medicine.

 

Doctors should be more like consultants to us, not authorities. They should be there to educate, not to prescribe.

 

If I want to take hydroxychloroquine and I've done my own research, who is a "doctor" to tell me I can't? I only want their opinion, not their permission.

 

[jojothai]

17 hours ago, Steven Brothers said:

March 28^th 2020 USA Dr. Vladmir Zelenko of New York says of 699 patients treated, he has had ZERO deaths, ZERO intubations, and four hospitalizations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8&t=586s&fbclid=IwAR0GVZ-MgpmwU_Oxj9mFNt0ZKZ1so1HLuBLPYTziX8WMAP4LEPvw-DI54Jg

 

Has anybody identified what this doctor means by 220 mg of zinc per day??

I have not read all the articles or looked at all the links.

The standard maximum recommended amount of zinc is 40mg per day.

You would have to take an awful lot of tablets to get to 220mg of zinc.

Perhaps he is using zinc sulfate or gluconate at 220mg per day which would be about 50mg zinc.

Has anybody else noticed this and seen anything to clarify what he meant.

if so, would be grateful for any related links / info.

[Crazy Alex]

3 hours ago, candide said:

The usual Trumper's fake news. Cuomo just follows FDA's guidelines.

 

"In a March 23 executive order, Mr. Cuomo barred pharmacists from filling prescriptions for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, its next-generation derivative, except for FDA-approved uses, such as for treating malaria or lupus, or as part of clinical trials for COVID-19.

The next day, the Democratic governor announced that the Trump administration and FDA had accelerated deliveries of the drug to New York for experimental therapies aimed at treating the novel coronavirus, adding that “hospitals will start using that drug today.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/5/rudy-giuliani-urges-andrew-cuomo-lift-hydroxychlor/

 

Had Trump not opened his big gob, Cuomo and others would likely not need to issue warnings in order to avoid uncontrolled use and stockpiling.

 

And now you try to convince us that your posts are not motivated by the will to support Trump in any case, as your previous posting record shows beyond any reasonable doubt. Lol.

So your posts are not motivated by the will to attack Trump?

 

And thanks for confirming Cuomo banned the use hydroxychloroquine for outpatient use. That was precisely the point of my post.

 

EDIT: Actually, you might be right, depending on the timeline. The FDA released the following guidance on March 28 (emphasis added):

 

"On March 28, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile(SNS) to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-daily-roundup-march-30-2020

Edited April 7, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[Crazy Alex]

3 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

You are wasting your time. Trump said it so for the Trump bots it must be true. Every word uttered by their master is true.

It appears we "Trump bots" are more up to speed on the issue than you are. Hydroxychloroquine was given FDA emergency approval to treat some coronavirus victims on March 28, 2020. Obviously, that decision is based on science.

 

"On March 28, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile(SNS) to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-daily-roundup-march-30-2020

 

Ask yourself: why are you so invested in hydroxychloroquine not being an effective treatment?

 

 

[candide]

58 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

So your posts are not motivated by the will to attack Trump?

 

And thanks for confirming Cuomo banned the use hydroxychloroquine for outpatient use. That was precisely the point of my post.

 

EDIT: Actually, you might be right, depending on the timeline. The FDA released the following guidance on March 28 (emphasis added):

 

"On March 28, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile(SNS) to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-daily-roundup-march-30-2020

 

You see! Cuomo was smart enough to anticipate the decision of the FDA.

Edited April 7, 2020 by candide

[balo]

I am sure Dr. Trump knows what he's doing. 

[Don Chance]

You guys can make some quick cash selling these drugs online and shipping to the US.

[gamesgplayemail]

22 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Key phrase

Low risk for most people

Give it to them early for a few days

Mostly upside

 

 

 

Do they give all this in Thai hospitals ?

 

[simple1]

8 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Who are you talking about?

Giuliani and others. As a reminder...

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-04-06/rudy-giuliani-covid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Giuliani and others. As a reminder...

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-04-06/rudy-giuliani-covid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine

Sounds like he's doing some good research on the matter. Good for him.

[simple1]

7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

<SNIP> Suddenly, leftists are worried about side effects. Oh please. LOL

According to you anyone who express concern on the use of hydroxychloroquine are 'lefists', it's this language which encourages trump supporters to threatening members of the medical profession who disagree with trump, even going so far as death threats.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

According to you anyone who express concern on the use of hydroxychloroquine are 'lefists', it's this language which encourages trump supporters to threatening members of the medical profession who disagree with trump, even going so far as death threats.

 

 

I hereby condemn anyone who engages in threats of violence over political differences. But yes, obviously many of the people invested in hycroxychloroquine not helping to save lives are leftists.

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

I hereby condemn anyone who engages in threats of violence over political differences. But yes, obviously many of the people invested in hycroxychloroquine not helping to save lives are leftists.

For me this comment is awful. Again a symptom of an administration encouraging a destructive deeply partisan divisive agenda.

[simple1]

10 hours ago, JackThompson said:

 

 

This is a somewhat worthy tangent.  Kushner is neck-deep in this behind the scenes, and comes from a criminal family, who bought his way into Harvard (he's not very smart).  But I doubt even he would try something this stupid, given he knows the political-opposition will be picking it all apart - in real-time, and again later. 

So far, it appears his "group" are bringing in private persons on a volunteer basis, and much of the work is being donated, to avoid even the appearance of profiteering on this.  But anything that gets Kushner and Ivanka out of the Trump WH would be great news to me - exactly No One voted for them.

Volunteers, Yes, but take a look at their corporate roles below, lots of self interest.

 

https://www.nationalmemo.com/is-kushners-covid-19-team-profiting-from-the-crisis/?cn-reloaded=1

 

It has come to light that trump, though investment funds, though small, has interests in the drugs he is promoting, as well as a number of his so called advisers. it's beyond believe trump has not put his financials interests in blind trusts.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/7/21211872/trump-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-covid19-drugs-sanofi-owns

 

Yesterday the French recommendation of the drug combo for Covid has now been retracted by the oversight organisation.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/publisher-now-says-study-touting-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid-19-cure-doesnt-meet-its-standard

 

 

 

 

[Chiphigh]

17 hours ago, RANGER55 said:

 Again, no, those two fools took something to clean a fish tank. It had nothing to do with this drug. Stupid is as stupid does!

CBS=FAKE NEWS

And in addition, the woman who was interviewed by the leftists who are pushing this tripe is a democratic donor that has proven to want to divorce her husband and is suffering from mental health issues. I am sure they left those facts out in the interest of objective journalism ????????????

[Chiphigh]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The trouble with your argument is the wife, who fortunately survived, has explained precisely why she and her husband drank this substance. 

 

 

Your desire to spin a phony narrative to feed your ideological narrative is obvious. 

 

The woman has clear documented mental illness issues and is a prolific democratic donor and supporter. The media has done nothing to be objective to see her history. 

 

But you are the one preening that you are a fact based objective intellectual. 

 

Amazing 

[Chiphigh]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Volunteers, Yes, but take a look at their corporate roles below, lots of self interest.

 

https://www.nationalmemo.com/is-kushners-covid-19-team-profiting-from-the-crisis/?cn-reloaded=1

 

It has come to light that trump, though investment funds, though small, has interests in the drugs he is promoting, as well as a number of his so called advisers. it's beyond believe trump has not put his financials interests in blind trusts.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/7/21211872/trump-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-covid19-drugs-sanofi-owns

 

Yesterday the French recommendation of the drug combo for Covid has now been retracted by the oversight organisation.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/publisher-now-says-study-touting-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid-19-cure-doesnt-meet-its-standard

 

 

 

 

Complete blather 

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Complete blather 

Prove the link's content incorrect, rather than silly commentary.

Edited April 8, 2020 by simple1

[rabas]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Prove the link's content incorrect, rather than silly commentary.

It is you who should explain what each link actually says, determine which statements are factual and which are MSM rubbish spin. It is not for your readers to do it for you. Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Curt1591]

"Hydroxychloroquine" is non-patented. Anyone can manufacture it and sell at at whatever price they deem proper.

"The new vaccines and treatments are just around the corner" says the pharmaceutical companies.
 

https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-spenders

Take a closer look at who has financial interests is US healthcare!



 

Edited April 8, 2020 by Curt1591

[simple1]

9 minutes ago, rabas said:

It is you who should explain what each link actually says, determine which statements are factual and which are MSM rubbish spin. It is not for your readers to do it for you. Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

NO. The content available is for review by those interested and they can make their own judgements. Hopefully they will do so with an open mind rather than just echoing the usual conspiracy rubbish promoted by trump.

Edited April 8, 2020 by simple1

[rabas]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

NO. The content available is for review by those interested and they can make their own judgements. Hopefully they will do so with an open mind rather than just echoing the usual conspiracy rubbish promoted by trump.

I read it before I made my comment, it is all main stream media rubbish. I posted my comment because it is clear many people blindly accept such rubbish without digging deeper to check what the real truth is.

 

In any public forum scientific or otherwise it is your burden to explain your position and to justify it.