There is definitely scapegoating going on here but it's been handled horribly. The Taiwan thing and the messaging in early days just unbelievable.

 

US should pull out of all UN program, WHO. Realign NATO.

 

China pays 0.25 percent of WHO. China is just a horrible actor on the world stage. Can't trust it on anything.

 

 

You don't have to like Trump.

 

The WHO killed plenty of people worldwide by holding to Chinese party declarations instead of what was happening.

 

If the WHO had declared a global pandemic 3-weeks earlier when they already knew what was happening inside China, it may have saved 95% of covid-19 fatalities.

 

But go ahead, blame Trump instead of focusing on the real issue.

2 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Timing is the issue here.  The WHO actually chastised countries that enacted proactive travel bans early on, and were late calling the spread to other countries, once again suckling China's gonads. Wake up and release your suction.

The WHO sent clear warnings at least from 30 January.

 

The WHO defines a PHEIC as an “extraordinary event” that “constitute a public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease” and “potentially require a coordinated international response.” 

https://time.com/5774747/coronavirus-who-public-health-emergency/

(I don't know why the text is barred)

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by candide

17 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

You don't have to like Trump.

 

The WHO killed plenty of people worldwide by holding to Chinese party declarations instead of what was happening.

 

If the WHO had declared a global pandemic 3-weeks earlier when they already knew what was happening inside China, it may have saved 95% of covid-19 fatalities.

 

But go ahead, blame Trump instead of focusing on the real issue.

Nonsense. The WHO made several international warnings, starting with a public health emergency of international concern on Jan. 30.

 

11 hours ago, rabas said:

And yet amazingly, the top six EU countries of equal population to the US have far more cases and vastly more deaths than the US. They were even using Chloroquine before Trump mentioned Chloroquine.

 

EU-6 = UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland :  51,127 dead.

US : 12,857 dead

 

https://ncov2019.live/

 

Why: EU was listening to you know WHO.

 

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by RJRS1301

10 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Here's an article about Thailand's testing regime if any are interested.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/10901/thailand-says-focused-testing-more-important-than-mass-testing-mass-testing-very-expensive/

Rather like Burundi when you stop and think about it...????

2 hours ago, Number 6 said:

There is definitely scapegoating going on here but it's been handled horribly. The Taiwan thing and the messaging in early days just unbelievable.

 

US should pull out of all UN program, WHO. Realign NATO.

 

China pays 0.25 percent of WHO. China is just a horrible actor on the world stage. Can't trust it on anything.

 

 

Thank goodness-as you keep repeating ad nauseum-that you are not a Trump supporter or a member of the American alt-right...????

4 hours ago, candide said:

Same as Trump: try to blame someone else for their failure. Japan refused to impose lockdown and is currently experiencing a surge of epidemic. Just as pathetic as Trump.

China started it

Chi Nah

Not Japan

 

You are blaming innocent victims

4 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Timing is the issue here.  The WHO actually chastised countries that enacted proactive travel bans early on, and were late calling the spread to other countries, once again suckling China's gonads. Wake up and release your suction.

Yes, they were late. 45 days after they issued a grave warning Trump was still downplaying it mightily though. He is again blaming others for his own incompetence.

22 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Correct. The WHO has handled this very poorly indeed. They handed out a lot of very poor advice which has undoubtedly made the situation worse.

 

However, many people have an irrational hate of Donald Trump so they will disagree. If Trump said water was wet they'd disagree. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts.

JonnyF

You are so right I was just about to write the same thing.

It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts. So True

2 hours ago, candide said:

The WHO sent clear warnings at least from 30 January.

 

The WHO defines a PHEIC as an “extraordinary event” that “constitute a public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease” and “potentially require a coordinated international response.” 

https://time.com/5774747/coronavirus-who-public-health-emergency/

(I don't know why the text is barred)

This was said to carefully avoid the word pandemic at the time. This resulted in many saying "See not a problem" even here at TV. This was part of the cover up, China's plan.

 

NB: you can press  T_x  in the menu bar to remove all text formatt^ing.

10 hours ago, rabas said:

That's the point its author made. Maybe talk to him?

I reply to a post, you try to explain, your explanation is deemed incorrect. So you tell me to talk to the poster. Maybe better to not try to explain other's posts.

replace the who General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus with a proper frontman; pete townsend

10 minutes ago, ratchaburi said:

JonnyF

You are so right I was just about to write the same thing.

It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts. So True

So please explain why 45 days after the WHO issued a grave warning Trump was, after his initial travel ban, still downplaying this and the taskforce was doing nothing.

I get so sick and tired of hearing how Trump single-handedly prevented the Corna Virus from spreading due to his decision to ban travel from China, once again it is pure Trump hyperbole and the ban he is so proud of had more holes that a block of Swiss cheese 

 

Quote

Trump’s ban on China travel: his claims vs. the facts

 source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-ban-on-china-travel-his-claims-vs-reality-2020-03-27

1 hour ago, Langsuan Man said:

I get so sick and tired of hearing how Trump single-handedly prevented the Corna Virus from spreading due to his decision to ban travel from China, once again it is pure Trump hyperbole and the ban he is so proud of had more holes that a block of Swiss cheese 

 

 source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-ban-on-china-travel-his-claims-vs-reality-2020-03-27

Somehow I pity him for taking all the blame. He is ignorant undoubtly, but he doesn't run the administration alone.

19 minutes ago, tearsinrain said:

Somehow I pity him for taking all the blame. He is ignorant undoubtly, but he doesn't run the administration alone.

With him not listening to the experts, he is running it alone.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

With him not listening to the experts, he is running it alone.

I was under the impression that in his mind, he is the expert on all manner of things.

Watching his latest press conference his rambling narrative was disconcerting to say the least.

 

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by RJRS1301

One medical worker called it “insane,” another said it induces paranoia - the speed with which patients are declining and dying from the novel coronavirus is shocking even veteran doctors ...

 

Patients “look fine, feel fine, then you turn around and they’re unresponsive,” said Diana Torres, a nurse at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York ... “I’m paranoid, scared to walk out of their room.”

 

It isn’t just elderly or patients with underlying health conditions who can be fine one minute and at death’s door the next. It can happen for the young and healthy, too, health professionals told Reuters.

 

Caution reading :  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-deaths/from-fine-to-flailing-rapid-health-declines-in-covid-19-patients-jar-doctors-nurses-idUSKCN21Q36V

 

China lied repeatedly.

6 hours ago, Iron Tongue said:

You don't have to like Trump.

 

The WHO killed plenty of people worldwide by holding to Chinese party declarations instead of what was happening.

 

If the WHO had declared a global pandemic 3-weeks earlier when they already knew what was happening inside China, it may have saved 95% of covid-19 fatalities.

 

But go ahead, blame Trump instead of focusing on the real issue.

 Brilliant ! May I add because of some  WHO top officials  political  ideological ties with China and their late ill advised response to over 100 countries,they are and China imop responsible for the monster of virus and the deaths of thousands !

I tried not to put blame but it is so obvious now .Their advise to my country and Thailand back in early January has put myself and family and millions at risk of being infected  !

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/ 

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by riclag

On 5 March on his pal Hannity show, Trump called the WHO death rate of 3.4% a false number and fake news. He followed with his hunch that it should be under 1%. Now the US death rate is at 5.7% and exposed his ignorance of science and the danger of false messaging. 

2 hours ago, rabas said:

One medical worker called it “insane,” another said it induces paranoia - the speed with which patients are declining and dying from the novel coronavirus is shocking even veteran doctors ...

 

Patients “look fine, feel fine, then you turn around and they’re unresponsive,” said Diana Torres, a nurse at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York ... “I’m paranoid, scared to walk out of their room.”

 

It isn’t just elderly or patients with underlying health conditions who can be fine one minute and at death’s door the next. It can happen for the young and healthy, too, health professionals told Reuters.

 

Caution reading :  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-deaths/from-fine-to-flailing-rapid-health-declines-in-covid-19-patients-jar-doctors-nurses-idUSKCN21Q36V

 

China lied repeatedly.

Yes, can happen to anybody. But all over the world the numbers show it are the elderly and those with underlying conditions who are, by far, most at risk. Others are exceptions.

 

Your conclusion ' China lied repeatedly' can not be based on the info you just provided.

 

And thanks for linking to that lefty, liberal agency.

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by stevenl

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, can happen to anybody. But all over the world the numbers show it are the elderly and those with underlying conditions who are, by far, most at risk. Others are exceptions

I assume you mean at "at risk " of death.

True, but it seems the majority of infections are occuring in those between 25 -50

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

On 5 March on his pal Hannity show, Trump called the WHO death rate of 3.4% a false number and fake news. He followed with his hunch that it should be under 1%. Now the US death rate is at 5.7% and exposed his ignorance of science and the danger of false messaging. 

5 March? Today US death rate is  14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician.

 

On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5%

 

Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest.

1 minute ago, rabas said:

5 March? Today US death rate is  14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician.

 

On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5%

 

Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest.

More honest? No chance.

 

But yes, looking at the very low numbers of testing it is extremely likely the number of infections is much higher, therefore the death rate much lower. Caveat with that is that the cause of death seems to be rather arbitrary.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-slammed-over-coronavirus-hes-184621821.html

The New York Times

Trump Slammed the WHO Over Coronavirus. He's Not Alone.

In Japan, Taro Aso, the deputy prime minister and finance minister, recently noted that some people have started referring to the World Health Organization as the “Chinese Health Organization” because of what he described as its close ties to Beijing. Taiwanese officials say the WHO ignored its early warnings about the virus because China refuses to allow Taiwan, a self-governing island it claims as its territory, to become a member.

 

30 minutes ago, rabas said:

5 March? Today US death rate is  14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician.

 

On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5%

 

Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest.

You sure about those numbers?

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-worlds-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-limited-testing-2020-3

33 minutes ago, rabas said:

5 March? Today US death rate is  14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician.

 

On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5%

 

Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest.

I suggest you check your figures for today 

27 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-slammed-over-coronavirus-hes-184621821.html

The New York Times

Trump Slammed the WHO Over Coronavirus. He's Not Alone.

In Japan, Taro Aso, the deputy prime minister and finance minister, recently noted that some people have started referring to the World Health Organization as the “Chinese Health Organization” because of what he described as its close ties to Beijing. Taiwanese officials say the WHO ignored its early warnings about the virus because China refuses to allow Taiwan, a self-governing island it claims as its territory, to become a member.

 

Japan was slowed to implement tough measures to minimize the infection. They have been criticized by their own citizens. They are well behind the curve compare to their neighbouring Taiwan and South Korea. But I am still surprised by the Deputy PM putting blame. It’s not Japanese culture to shirk responsibility. 

7 hours ago, rabas said:

This was said to carefully avoid the word pandemic at the time. This resulted in many saying "See not a problem" even here at TV. This was part of the cover up, China's plan.

 

NB: you can press  T_x  in the menu bar to remove all text formatt^ing.

So in your vision of the world, governments get their information from media headlines (ok, maybe Trump does)? National health organisations have close contact with the WTO, they have access to all available information. By the way, information has been published nearly every day by the WHO

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_February_2020

 

And about your last comment:

"This resulted in many saying "See not a problem" even here at TV."

????

You and other TVF Trumpers have been making a barrage of posts for weeks to downplay the pandemic, arguing that Dems, the so-called experts and MMS were aiming at creating panic, now claim that the information about the severity of the spread was not available. 

So if Trumpers made a barrage of posts to criticize the Dems, the experts and the MSM for allegedly overstating the crisis, it's because the information was widely displayed, right?

 

NB Thanks for the tip

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by candide