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TOPIC. Trump says WHO is China centric and really blew it.

 

trump played down the virus, and his comments are well known and deplorable and trump also played down the release of January memos from a senior adviser that represented an early warning of a possible coronavirus pandemic, saying he had not seen them at the time.

 

Furthermore the WHO declared Covid-19 a public health emergency on January 30, nearly a month before Trump tweeted that "the Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA" and a full 43 days before he declared a national emergency in the US.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12323520 

20 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I'm sure 13,000 people and counting would disagree with you if they still could.

One of the Trump has blood on his hands gang. Dont worry I am sure the Democrats will have a nice 3 year long investigation into the Trump virus to keep you happy,

41 minutes ago, chokrai said:

One of the Trump has blood on his hands gang. Dont worry I am sure the Democrats will have a nice 3 year long investigation into the Trump virus to keep you happy,

No part of any gang, just someone who sees that trump downplayed the threat, and continued to do so long after the WHO changed its tune. But now he is blaming the WHO for downplaying the threat.

 

I don't buy that, and pity those that don't see that.

Exactly what did Trump do wrong during the outbreak? Did the Democrats try to do anything differently? I keep reading anti-Trump opinions on TV forum but never see anyone back their opinions with reasons. The USA is the most visited country in the world with over 300 million people. Trump has been President for just 3 year's did Obama do anything during his 2 terms after the SARS outbreak to prepare America?

By whose standards did WHO blow it? By Trump's own?

 

If I were president of a large country that does not have a public health system and that is losing the Covid-19 outbreak, I would stay as friendly as possible to every and any organization that can provide data and expertise.

 

At the beginning, EVERYONE got it wrong. No one could have got it right because it was a brand new disease. Even now no one can be sure about a lot of aspects to do with this virus.

 

Just ask yourself, which would you want to have on your side when a new disease comes along - Trump with his know-nothing advice and who lies about his own position in relation to the virus or the advice of a legion of international experts in WHO?

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Correct. The WHO has handled this very poorly indeed. They handed out a lot of very poor advice which has undoubtedly made the situation worse.

 

However, many people have an irrational hate of Donald Trump so they will disagree. If Trump said water was wet they'd disagree. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts.

I agree with your assessment of WHO - like many UN agencies they've become ossified and beset by nepotism and corruption. But they were never particularly effective even prior to those natural processes occurring. Surely those who support Trump have been of the opinion forever that the UN are utterly useless. Hence why should their advice matter in the slightest?

 

I do have a strong dislike of Donald Trump, but I'd hardly call it irrational. I believe in science, competency, transparency and cooperation, and none of those things are supported by the Donald. So I would prefer if you would call it like it is - many people have a strongly justified dislike of Donald Trump. 

Now let me ask you something - do you think that the WHO has any power over decision-making at national level? Do you think that the Trump administration takes note of UN decisions and advice prior to making their choices? Do you think that national governments bear responsibility for what happens within their borders or do you think the UN does?

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Correct. The WHO has handled this very poorly indeed. They handed out a lot of very poor advice which has undoubtedly made the situation worse.

 

However, many people have an irrational hate of Donald Trump so they will disagree. If Trump said water was wet they'd disagree. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts.

But Don was saying the same thing, it's only a flu, no need to shut down etc. Go for it Don a few more enemies can't hurt and the Rednecks will love you for it, America deserves you.

Love Trump or hate him, he is absolutely correct on this issue. There should be a major inquiry into the WHO when this is all over.

1 minute ago, Raven2 said:

Love Trump or hate him, he is absolutely correct on this issue. There should be a major inquiry into the WHO when this is all over.

There should be a major inquiry into him ASAP. 

 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

I'm sure 13,000 people and counting would disagree with you if they still could.

Right so China starts a virus

WHO tells people its not human to human

 

Hey it's all Trump's fault

 

....

 

The Trump haters are just wacky

 

7 minutes ago, Raven2 said:

Love Trump or hate him, he is absolutely correct on this issue. There should be a major inquiry into the WHO when this is all over.

They are a disgrace like the IPCC

 

Corrupt and dodgy

It was indeed surprising in hindsight why the WHO, informed on 12th January that this was a coronavirus did not advise countries to close borders as soon as possible. 

 

However, they got it right in the end and made clear that testing was the strategy to defeat the virus and that masks are not necessary.

 

So in the end Mike Ryan gave the right advice, even if mistakes were made.

 

Obviously this is another ploy by Donald Trump to save money and not fund the WHO. He needs to save money so he can steal other countries' masks, which is expensive.

1 minute ago, UbonThani said:

Right so China starts a virus

WHO tells people its not human to human

 

Hey it's all Trump's fault

 

....

 

The Trump haters are just wacky

 

WHO told many things, and took this imo too lightly. However after they changed their position and called it a major health threat it took trump 1.5 months to call it a pandemic, in the mean time calling it under control, a flu, etc.

 

So yes, trump bears responsibility for this being a bigger disaster than was necessary. And yes, calling out the WHO on this is hypocritical.

 

Dr Tedros (not a medical doctor) only secured his WHO position with the help of China. He is beholden.

WHO ,down playing  this  In fact, many countries were utilizing their advise ,ie USA,as early as January 12,2020.

 

"  WHO does not recommend any specific health measures for travellers. In case of symptoms suggestive of respiratory illness either during or after travel, travellers are encouraged to seek medical attention and share travel history with their healthcare provider".  

 

"WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the information currently available on this event".

 

Novel Coronavirus – China

 

Novel Coronavirus – China

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by riclag

1 hour ago, Sakeopete said:

Exactly what did Trump do wrong during the outbreak? Did the Democrats try to do anything differently? I keep reading anti-Trump opinions on TV forum but never see anyone back their opinions with reasons. The USA is the most visited country in the world with over 300 million people. Trump has been President for just 3 year's did Obama do anything during his 2 terms after the SARS outbreak to prepare America?

Trump disbanded the NSC pandemic taskforce unit in 2018. He down played the out break stating, 15 now, soon be zero.  There are several such incompetent statements.

This is not about deflecting back to the previous administration, but owning the what has occurred under the current administration.

 

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by RJRS1301

Trump was a gift from God! What God gives God can taketh away as he will do on November 3rd. AMEN!

11 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Trump disbanded the NSC pandemic taskforce unit in 2018. He down played the out break stating, 15 now, soon be zero.  There are several such incompetent statements.

This is not about deflecting back to the previous administration, but owning the what has occurred under the current administration.

 

There was no pandemic in 2018 ! In fact the WHO down played this in January. The first place the world goes for  advise on the virus

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by riclag

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Imo he’s looking for something or someone to blame for his bungled response just canned the inspector general threatening the World Health Organization it’s pathetically obvious trump never ever  takes responsibility for anything he always blames and if possible slanders the fall guy it’s how he rolls 

 

I read that the WHO head isn't a qualified medical doctor; not a doctor of science or any other relevant qualification. But he is a communist politician and member of  communist faction that fought in the Ethiopian civil war; a group that has been considered a terrorist group and now considered a tier 111 terrorist group.

 

A communist like Xi who supports the information China provides.

 

An African communist politician and member of a group accused of murder and corruption. Yep, he'll tick the boxes!

 

And like most politically correct appointments, fails to actually do his job.

 

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

There was no pandemic in 2018,In fact the WHO down played this in January. The first place the world goes for  advise on the virus

You fail to undestand the NSC Pandemic Taskforce was a proactive step (that is to prepare for the possibilty of a crisis,. You not disband fire brigades because there are no fires in a neighbourhood) . They were an expert panel, Trump said it was not needed, so defunded and disbanded it. The knowledge was scattered across the community and then he put his son-in-law(who has no crisis management experience),  in charge of a lame duck panel to advise. 

 

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

WHO ,down playing  this  In fact, many countries were utilizing their advise ,ie USA,as early as January 12,2020.

 

"  WHO does not recommend any specific health measures for travellers. In case of symptoms suggestive of respiratory illness either during or after travel, travellers are encouraged to seek medical attention and share travel history with their healthcare provider".  

 

"WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the information currently available on this event".

 

Novel Coronavirus – China

 

Novel Coronavirus – China

 

The Ethiopian communist politician helping communist China trying to downplay this with false information.

 

Well, there's a surprise!

11 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

You fail to undestand the NSC Pandemic Taskforce was a proactive step (that is to prepare for the possibilty of a crisis,. You not disband fire brigades because there are no fires in a neighbourhood) . They were an expert panel, Trump said it was not needed, so defunded and disbanded it. The knowledge was scattered across the community and then he put his son-in-law(who has no crisis management experience),  in charge of a lame duck panel to advise. 

 

The whole world was ill advised by the WHO ! If the NSC Pandemic task force was intact as you say, would they  contradict the advise of the in real time January 2020 advise  from the WHO,that the 180 countries and Dr.Faucci  used to determine how to react ! It would go on deaf ears 

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by riclag

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

The whole world was ill advised by the WHO ! If the NSC Pandemic task force was intact as you say, would they  contradict the advise of the in real time January 2020 advise  from the WHO,that the 180 countries and Dr.Faucci  used to determine how to react ! It would go on deaf ears 

You asked what Trump did wrong, do not deflect with another question.

I stated he disbanded the Taskforce , I have no idea what would have occurred as it was not functioning, there for, no preparation. 

Deflection is a tactic employed when no rational response can be given, as POTUS has perfected it seems

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by RJRS1301

The worlds Policeman at it again.   Blame game ,,,,childrens stuff

He would do better keeping his eyes on his own plate which is in a terrible state with all the bickering & lacking countrywide strong direction

56 minutes ago, riclag said:

There was no pandemic in 2018 ! In fact the WHO down played this in January. The first place the world goes for  advise on the virus

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

<deleted> the task force was embedded with National Security as a measure to manage risk assessment and develop policy in case there was a pandemic. It is alleged Bolton disbanded the unit as a cost saving mechanism. I understand there will be an investigation as to the circumstances and affect on the trump admin response to Covid. Personally I don't trust trump admin for a transparent investigation by a country mile. 

 

Article reviewing the backward and forwards ins & outs below.

 

Just a month before the first coronavirus cases emerged in China, a two-year CSIS commission, which included six members of Congress, health experts, and former U.S. and military officials warned that they were “sounding the alarm that the U.S. government is caught in a cycle of crisis and complacency” when it came to preparing the country for a pandemic. As its very first recommendation, the commission urged the White House to restore health security leadership at the NSC.

 

https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by simple1

13 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

You asked what Trump did wrong, do not deflect with another question.

I stated he disbanded the Taskforce , I have no idea what would have occurred as it was not functioning, there for, no preparation. 

Deflection is a tactic employed when no rational response can be given, as POTUS has perfected it seems

The POTUS used the advise of his COvid task force and mainly people like Faucci,which in turn uses the advise from the WHO

 

32 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

You asked what Trump did wrong, do not deflect with another question.

I stated he disbanded the Taskforce , I have no idea what would have occurred as it was not functioning, there for, no preparation. 

Deflection is a tactic employed when no rational response can be given, as POTUS has perfected it seems

I didn't ask what Trump did wrong! Have a nice day!

Could someone (in the know) please tell me what President Trump's credentials are of ... anything???

A simple question only requires a simple answer. What are his credentials? that make him so much

smarter and more experienced than the professionals in anything but A television show muppet and properties landlord? Please, list his credentials.

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by Dap

27 minutes ago, simple1 said:

<deleted> the task force was embedded with National Security as a measure to manage risk assessment and develop policy in case there was a pandemic. It is alleged Bolton disbanded the unit as a cost saving mechanism. I understand there will be an investigation as to the circumstances and affect on the trump admin response to Covid. Personally I don't trust trump admin for a transparent investigation by a country mile. 

 

Article reviewing the backward and forwards ins & outs below.

 

Just a month before the first coronavirus cases emerged in China, a two-year CSIS commission, which included six members of Congress, health experts, and former U.S. and military officials warned that they were “sounding the alarm that the U.S. government is caught in a cycle of crisis and complacency” when it came to preparing the country for a pandemic. As its very first recommendation, the commission urged the White House to restore health security leadership at the NSC.

 

https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/

 

"Now architects of the NSC reorganization are speaking out, defending the White House’s decision by arguing that they merely streamlined a bloated organization and put pandemic and bioweapons experts in the same room, a move that was tested in real time by the 2018 upsurge in cases of the Ebola haemorrhagic fever in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Former officials say that the outbreak has been largely defeated, proof that the current White House can readily respond to such threats if given enough warning. They instead blame China, claiming the country waited weeks, if not months, to warn the world early enough to stop the spread of COVID-19"

https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/

 

180 countries including the USA relied on the WHO, who was using China's facts in early January!

Edited April 8, 20206 yr by riclag