7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The World Health Organization (WHO) warned countries on Friday to be cautious about lifting restrictions

This the same bunch of numpties that delayed it until too late to put them in in the first place ? 

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Ya, those 34 members of various countries in W.H.O. including US are very political, lol

 

Ah, you would support them, seeing as how their boss is a far left politician, member of a communist political party, and a friend of China's communist regime.

 

Now why would a "world" organization (which doesn't have membership from every country in the world) appoint a communist politician as it's head?

 

And you blame the US!

A post that was baiting another member has been removed. 

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

This the same bunch of numpties that delayed it until too late to put them in in the first place ? 

The WHO of course does not put any measures into place. 

 

I therefore take it you are talking about certain national governments, who demonstrably delayed implementing necessary measures to tackle this pandemic. 
 

8 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So are you suggesting the current measures should be continued for three years which is how long the Spanish Flu lasted?

What a juicy prospect for Big Pharma and billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates, with seven factories being readied to churn out unlimited supplies of a coronavirus vaccine.

 

Expect "Chill Bill" to enlist the WHO's backing for the shots to made global and mandatory. A small ask, surely, from the multi-billionaire whose 320,000-plus dollar donation to the UN health agency makes him their second biggest benefactor after the US government.

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by Krataiboy

chinas best friend-dont wear masks only if ur sick,dont ban china flights,ignore what chinese drs say and dont say a word as theyre locked up or disappear.now its full speed ahead for china and the rest of you do what we say.ummmmm very shortly itll loosen up,it has too here millions are out of work all across asia ,theres no free rides in s e asia unless ur are one of the special people,no work no pay,the cure will kill the patient a long time before the disease will,we have a minute no of casualties here.tell them to give us free testing,lots of it too and do one positive thing.

9 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

WHO said in mid-January the virus can't be spread by humans. They want people to take them seriously?

Mentioning that the information came from the Chinese government.

During the same period of time, they also gave clear warnings that human-to-human transmission may be possible and that countries should prepare for it.

"The World Health Organization warned the US and other countries about the risk of human-to-human transmission of Covid-19 as early as 10 January, and urged precautions even though initial Chinese studies at that point had found no clear evidence of that route of infection."

"The January WHO tweet reported “preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission”.

But in the same week top WHO officials were briefing health leaders around the world to keep looking out for signs of such transmission, and to take precautions as if it was already happening."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/who-cited-human-transmission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

9 hours ago, Tug said:

I beg to differ my concern is if they are lifted early due(understandably I might add)to economic concerns we will squander any gains we may have made and be in worse shape than now the flue pandemic of 1918/19 was worse on the 2ond wave let’s not repeat it

 

Identify explicitly and precisely the gains we have made please, so that we have a starting point for this very relevant statement you have made.

 

I propose we have made no gains, with a minor exception that we are a few percent closer to the population aquiring herd immunity. Such gains would not be lost by lifting the restrictions. And in fact, our progress towards herd immunity has been hindered by the restrictions.

 

There is additionally a possibility that a very, very small number of people that might have died without ventilators in a normal case, were saved because the curve was flattened sufficiently.  Again, these gains would not be lost by lifting the restrictions, as these saved lives are presumably immune. Sadly, I can find no data which would allow me to arrive at a verifiable value for this number. However, it is a very small percentage of those infected, and the cost to save these lives has been enormous.

 

What specific gains are you speaking of? 

 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ones South Korea listened to seem to be on the money.

 

 

Exactly. Since the beginning, WHO's main recommendation has been to test, track and isolate. China and Korea applied it extensively, others didn't. Very quickly, on January 17, WHO also published a protocol from German researchers with the instructions necessary for any country to manufacture coronavirus tests.

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by candide

30 minutes ago, candide said:

 

"The January WHO tweet reported “preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission”.

But in the same week top WHO officials were briefing health leaders around the world to keep looking out for signs of such transmission, and to take precautions as if it was already happening."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/who-cited-human-transmission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

Said the Guardian while presenting no evidence of such private meetings.

 

From your above link:

The WHO declared a “public health emergency of international concern” on 30 January, a day before Trump banned non-American residents who had been to China from entering the US.

 

From above link to Jan 30:

The Wuhan coronavirus outbreak is a public health emergency of international concern, the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared, but he warned governments not to impose travel or trade restrictions on China.

 

So WHO said don't do anything but Trump immediately implemented a ban to protect the US and you argue it was all Trumps fault.

1 hour ago, candide said:

Mentioning that the information came from the Chinese government.

During the same period of time, they also gave clear warnings that human-to-human transmission may be possible and that countries should prepare for it.

"The World Health Organization warned the US and other countries about the risk of human-to-human transmission of Covid-19 as early as 10 January, and urged precautions even though initial Chinese studies at that point had found no clear evidence of that route of infection."

"The January WHO tweet reported “preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission”.

But in the same week top WHO officials were briefing health leaders around the world to keep looking out for signs of such transmission, and to take precautions as if it was already happening."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/who-cited-human-transmission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

 He  told every country  there is no need(not recommend ) for  restriction for travel and trade January 30th. He needs to be held accountable !

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/30-01-2020-statement-on-the-second-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)

 

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by riclag

This bum needs to go or very best be dethroned!

January 31

"Possible infections are at 12,167 inside China with recoveries listed as 163.

"The World Health organisation has declared a global public health emergency because of the spread of the virus outside China, describing it as an “unprecedented outbreak”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/30/coronavirus-live-updates-china-death-toll-wuhan-evacuation-foreign-nationals-citizens-latest-news

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by riclag

56 minutes ago, rabas said:

Said the Guardian while presenting no evidence of such private meetings.

 

From your above link:

The WHO declared a “public health emergency of international concern” on 30 January, a day before Trump banned non-American residents who had been to China from entering the US.

 

From above link to Jan 30:

The Wuhan coronavirus outbreak is a public health emergency of international concern, the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared, but he warned governments not to impose travel or trade restrictions on China.

 

So WHO said don't do anything but Trump immediately implemented a ban to protect the US and you argue it was all Trumps fault.

Yes. On that day trump put up a sign 'watch out for the dog' and went back to sleep. He didn't buy the dog, put bars on the windows, installed CCTV, etc.

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Ya, those 34 members of various countries in W.H.O. including US are very political, lol

Interesting that you're open to that criticism of WHO, but only if you get to single out America. Quite revealing.

2 hours ago, candide said:

Mentioning that the information came from the Chinese government.

During the same period of time, they also gave clear warnings that human-to-human transmission may be possible and that countries should prepare for it.

"The World Health Organization warned the US and other countries about the risk of human-to-human transmission of Covid-19 as early as 10 January, and urged precautions even though initial Chinese studies at that point had found no clear evidence of that route of infection."

"The January WHO tweet reported “preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission”.

But in the same week top WHO officials were briefing health leaders around the world to keep looking out for signs of such transmission, and to take precautions as if it was already happening."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/who-cited-human-transmission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

So they were only able to repeat what they're told and not find a coherent message. Wow, it's even worse than I thought. Thanks for pointing this out.

1 hour ago, candide said:

Exactly. Since the beginning, WHO's main recommendation has been to test, track and isolate. China and Korea applied it extensively, others didn't. Very quickly, on January 17, WHO also published a protocol from German researchers with the instructions necessary for any country to manufacture coronavirus tests.

Wow, and we need to spend how much on WHO to come up with that message?

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The WHO of course does not put any measures into place. 

 

I therefore take it you are talking about certain national governments, who demonstrably delayed implementing necessary measures to tackle this pandemic. 
 

Yeah, if only those countries had listened to WHO. LOL

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Said the Guardian while presenting no evidence of such private meetings.

 

From your above link:

The WHO declared a “public health emergency of international concern” on 30 January, a day before Trump banned non-American residents who had been to China from entering the US.

 

From above link to Jan 30:

The Wuhan coronavirus outbreak is a public health emergency of international concern, the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared, but he warned governments not to impose travel or trade restrictions on China.

 

So WHO said don't do anything but Trump immediately implemented a ban to protect the US and you argue it was all Trumps fault.

The Guardian is surely more reliable than Trump.

 

Now about travel restrictions. They may well have been wrong not to call for a China travel ban (how efficient were travel bans, I.e. Italy?). But OK, let's assume you are right. So the US and most other countries did apply a travel ban quickly (.i.e. Italy, France, Australia, Azerbaidjan, Costa Rica, etc...).

So if the US did not follow this particular recommendation, the WHO cannot be held responsible for consequences of something which did not happen, right?

 

Similarly, the WHO advised at an early stage to test, track and isolate and one of its first initiative was to make a protocol available on January 17. As it was not applied in the US until very recently, unlike in Korea, the WHO cannot be responsible for the poor performance of the US compared to SK, right?

 

30 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yeah, if only those countries had listened to WHO. LOL

Like SK they would have applied a policy of extensive testing, tracking and isolate, lol!

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by candide

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Like SO, they would have applied a policy of extensive testing, tracking and isolate, lol!

Yes, because that is a new concept WHO just came up with because they are so brilliant and useful. LOL

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 He  told every country  there is no need(not recommend ) for  restriction for travel and trade January 30th. He needs to be held accountable !

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/30-01-2020-statement-on-the-second-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)

 

He may have been wrong. However, most of them did not follow his advice, so he cannot be accountable for what happened in countries who decided to implement travel  restrictions, I.e Italy, US, France, Australia, Afghanistan, Costa rica etc....

On the other hand he recommended early and extensive testing... WHO applied it apart from SO and China?

 

41 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

So they were only able to repeat what they're told and not find a coherent message. Wow, it's even worse than I thought. Thanks for pointing this out.

So which other scientific evidence was available? That's one of it's mission, communicate the information provided by its members.

A post with links to questionable sources has been removed. 

Does WHO want to starve several billion people

to save a handful of sick old people?

51 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, because that is a new concept WHO just came up with because they are so brilliant and useful. LOL

Thank you for stressing that Trump is an idiot who was not even able to push policies that rely on such evident common sense. Instead of downplaying risk and talking B.S. for weeks on TV.

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by candide

47 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow, and we need to spend how much on WHO to come up with that message?

Please enough of this stuff. Lift the game, look at WHO global achievements.

12 hours ago, Conno said:

Let me get this straight. So the World continues to listen to an organisation led by a man who covered up on three separate occasion cholera outbreaks when he was health minister in his own country. Just another self serving psychopath, add him to the list of all the others that people look to for salvation. 

 

 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/health/candidate-who-director-general-ethiopia-cholera-outbreaks.html

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/fully-complicit-terrible-suffering-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-blamed-2017-cholera

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/18/ethiopias-candidate-for-the-world-health-organization-doesnt-like-mentioning-a-certain-disease/

You can't get it straight if you quote three American publications, you may as well add Donald and Daffy to that.

11 minutes ago, Traubert said:

You can't get it straight if you quote three American publications, you may as well add Donald and Daffy to that.

Yes, listen to the CCP, you will correctly understand exactly what they want you to think.

 

 

51 minutes ago, marqus12 said:

Does WHO want to starve several billion people

to save a handful of sick old people?

WHO provides information, governments make policies.

9 hours ago, candide said:

He may have been wrong. However, most of them did not follow his advice, so he cannot be accountable for what happened in countries who decided to implement travel  restrictions, I.e Italy, US, France, Australia, Afghanistan, Costa rica etc....

On the other hand he recommended early and extensive testing... WHO applied it apart from SO and China?

 

 

China lied and covered up  and used the head of  WHO to spread disinformation while all along that nitwit was praising China!

Here is a expert below claiming there was human to human transmission while the WHO was playing it down( no strong evidence and not recommended to restrict travel or trade).! Its rather naive to think that countries can't hold him responsible seeing that many third world countries like Thailand and many others cling to the advice ! 

 

Headline: "China hid the severity of its coronavirus outbreak and muzzled whistleblowers — because it can".

“This is the smoking-gun evidence of human-to-human transmission,” Yanzhong Huang, a China expert and senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations, told Vox. “But the public was not kept informed about this situation until January 18,” Huang said. Instead, “People were still told there was no strong evidence of human-to-human transmission.”

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-china-li-wenliang-world-health-organization

 

China and the head of the WHO owe the world big time!

 

 

 

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by riclag