In grim milestone, United States logs world's highest coronavirus death toll

[DavisH]

9 hours ago, Don Mega said:

Beat me to it, @ 62 deaths/1M population they are well down the leader-board !!

Wait for it...only a few states are in full swing...NY, New Jersey..etc. 

[DavisH]

7 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

No, you are 100 % right! Mortality rate is totally irrelevant and does not make any sense. It doesn´t have to do that either. What matters is how many people and life that will be lost before each country get a grip on containing the virus. In that case it´s going to be very hard in USA. They have the Bill of Rights, that everyone interpret as they wish to fit it´s functions for their own agenda. Basically that means, that nobody is telling me what to do. That´s the perfect recipe for disaster.

And churches in some states are still packed....crazy. 

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, moontang said:

The left made the same insults about GWB post 911, but the reality was that he had already put the nails in the Dems coffins for 2004.  It is a shame the Dems would rather side with China than give Trump any credit at all.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/consider-possibility-trump-right-china/609493/

Credit for what?

[Fairynuff]

51 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Provides comfort. Think of it as centering yourself with meditation if it makes you feel better....or providing kind words to give hope, expressions of love etc......hope that helps.

All the things you suggest are achievable without praying to something that IMO doesn’t exist

[moontang]

43 minutes ago, DavisH said:

And churches in some states are still packed....crazy. 

But of course, the Left refuse to acknowledge that the Muslims are more defiant, of the gathering guidelines, than any Christian group.

Edited April 12, 2020 by moontang

[ChouDoufu]

8 hours ago, robblok said:

Yes its a bit stupid / sensationalism that they don't take into account how huge the population is. Italy has an almost similar amount of deaths  at a far smaller population. Absolute numbers are fun but sometomes percentages tell a lot more. 

it's not just the raw numbers of the population, also need to look at the population density.  if we want to make comparisons, we compare apples to apples.  so compare new york city with another metropolis that had a large number of cases, like wuhan.

 

wuhan eventually got their **** together and locked down the city.  those that refused to obey isolation orders got their apartment doors welded shut (if those youtube videos were real).  new yorkers are still traveling to neighboring states.

[Matzzon]

50 minutes ago, DavisH said:

And churches in some states are still packed....crazy. 

Yep, that´s crazy, but it has always been the thing with religions. All are pressing for peace and kindness in the good books, but they are without a doubt the biggest contributor to all wars. So, at the end of all. Why would they understand anything about this, when they not even can interpret and live as the good book tells them to do?

[Fairynuff]

12 minutes ago, moontang said:

But of course, the Left refuse to acknowledge that the Muslims are more defiant, of the gathering guidelines, than any Christian group.

The Left and the Muslims... oh boy bigotry knows no bounds

[Mulambana]

11 hours ago, rumak said:

" you want fries and a 48 oz coke with that sir ?"

And big size. Also, they want to protect themselves and their family using guns. And apparently guns are not working now. And also they want their freedom to congrgate and pray to an invisible entity.

[Ron jeremy]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The US had its first case on exactly the same day as did S.Korea.

 

The S. Korean government responded immediately with nation wide, centrally directed policies that worked.

 

The head of the US Government spent the following 6 weeks, downplaying the risk, waffling about hoaxes, telling lies, playing golf, blaming others and making baseless predictions.

 

The US President has still not directed a nation wide response. 

 

America and Americans are paying the tragic price of Trump’s inability to do his job.

 

 

This boondoggle may we'll be trumps last stand. Total screw up.

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, samran said:

The problem is - and I say this in all seriousness - is that he will manage to turn the worlds highest death toll into a positive. 
 

How? Probably by claiming the numbers were a lot less than expected, thanks to him and his genius.

 

Whatever the excuse actually is, It will be breathtakingly audacious and you’ll see it very quickly here when his disciples start regurgitating the excuse d’jour right here on TV.  

hasn't he already done that?  i'll not bother to google the exact numbers, but he went from nothing to worry about, will be zero cases in a few days, while his medical advisers were estimating tens of thousands dead...then from out of nowhere he says something about millions of cases and a couple hundred thousand dead?

 

meaning, once the dust settles and we "only" have 100 thousand dead, he can twoot out how he personally saved 100 thousand lives.

 

same bs when he does his "deals,"  like demanding the koreans pay 5x what they've offered (already twice what they paid before) for troop funding, hoping he'll get a third and he can call it a 'win.'

[rabas]

43 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

it's not just the raw numbers of the population, also need to look at the population density.  if we want to make comparisons, we compare apples to apples.  so compare new york city with another metropolis that had a large number of cases, like wuhan.

 

wuhan eventually got their **** together and locked down the city.  those that refused to obey isolation orders got their apartment doors welded shut (if those youtube videos were real).  new yorkers are still traveling to neighboring states.

Anything in China is suspect for all the usual reasons.  For a valid comparison, use six core European countries with an equivalent population to the US that have varying case and death rates like the US. These are  Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, and Switzerland.

 

USA   cases  534,494  deaths 20,637

EU6   cases  684,157  deaths  64,930

 

What do you see that's different?

[ChouDoufu]

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

Anything in China is suspect for all the usual reasons.  For a valid comparison, use six core European countries with an equivalent population to the US that have varying case and death rates like the US. These are  Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, and Switzerland.

 

USA   cases  534,494  deaths 20,637

EU6   cases  684,157  deaths  64,930

 

What do you see that's different?

i see some different numbers and some ratios we could use to jump to conclusions.

 

what does "cases" mean in terms of overall infections.  how is this number affected by testing, or failing to test.  what percentage of the population is being tested?  are there enough test kits to go around? is there any distinction made between symptomatic and asymptomatic cases?

 

define "deaths" in a similar fashion.  are they counting those that died outside of a hospital?  are they counting only those that died of certain specific symptoms?  how do pre-existing medical conditions affect the counting of a death?

 

and are we considering what strain of the virus is affecting each region? 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3079491/deadly-coronavirus-comes-three-variants-researchers-find

 

the numbers above tell us whatever we want them to tell us, when we just look at raw numbers taken out of context with no real understanding of what they actually mean.

 

i understand you don't want to use chinese numbers.  they can be questionable, sure.  in this case, maybe.  are we going to claim they're all fake, based on our feelings, and then ignore what they've done to contain the virus as fake also? 

 

girlfriend and i just went out to the track, picked up a few things nearby where nearly all businesses are open, passed by high school kids in their school uniforms eating and socializing in the ice cream shop, and then dropped off some things for our hubei neighbors who are still in their 14-day mandatory quarantine.  did we experience this, or was it all fake?

 

gotta wonder if the chinese leadership is really fudging these numbers.  they know they're being watched by the rest of the world.  they know if they're lying, it won't remain undiscovered for long.  do we have any proof the figures are wrong other than guesses based on cell phone subscriptions or urn deliveries?

[moontang]

1 hour ago, Fairynuff said:

The Left and the Muslims... oh boy bigotry knows no bounds

and always playing the race card from the bottom of the deck...attack the Christians for being against the murder of the unborn, but never ever a word about what goes on at the local mosque.

Edited April 12, 2020 by moontang

[Crazy Alex]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The US had its first case on exactly the same day as did S.Korea.

 

The S. Korean government responded immediately with nation wide, centrally directed policies that worked.

 

The head of the US Government spent the following 6 weeks, downplaying the risk, waffling about hoaxes, telling lies, playing golf, blaming others and making baseless predictions.

 

The US President has still not directed a nation wide response. 

 

America and Americans are paying the tragic price of Trump’s inability to do his job.

 

 

Yes, because a country on the other side of the planet should have the same response to a disease spreading as a country 200 miles from the source country. LOL

[Crazy Alex]

5 minutes ago, moontang said:

and always playing the race card from the bottom of the deck...attack the Christians for being against the murder of the unborn, but never ever a word about what goes on at the local mosque.

Indeed, as evidenced by several police outfit saying they're gonna get tough on Christians going to church, yet no mention of getting tough on Muslims going to their mosques.

[candide]

17 minutes ago, rabas said:

Anything in China is suspect for all the usual reasons.  For a valid comparison, use six core European countries with an equivalent population to the US that have varying case and death rates like the US. These are  Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, and Switzerland.

 

USA   cases  534,494  deaths 20,637

EU6   cases  684,157  deaths  64,930

 

What do you see that's different?

What's different is that the outburst in the US happened about 2 weeks later than in Europe, so it is not at the same stage of diffusion . It is (unfortunately) likely that numbers in the US in two weeks will be similar to the current numbers in the EU.

[moontang]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, because a country on the other side of the planet should have the same response to a disease spreading as a country 200 miles from the source country. LOL

And when he did close the border to the Chinese, the Left expressed total outrage, and Creepy Joe was leading the circus act.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Indeed, as evidenced by several police outfit saying they're gonna get tough on Christians going to church, yet no mention of getting tough on Muslims going to their mosques.

In case you did not notice, Muslims don't celebrate Easter.....

[candide]

5 minutes ago, moontang said:

And when he did close the border to the Chinese, the Left expressed total outrage, and Creepy Joe was leading the circus act.

It's a lie from Trump. You will not be able to provide any quote mentioning the CHINA travel ban to support this debunked claim.

[rabas]

1 minute ago, candide said:

What's different is that the outburst in the US happened about 2 weeks later than in Europe, so it is not at the same stage of diffusion . It is (unfortunately) likely that numbers in the US in two weeks will be similar to the current numbers in the EU.

Cases yes, deaths no. On a normal timeline (non shifted) the EU6 group cases have equal slope and a 6 day offset. The deaths are quite different. I think one reason for the death rate differential is that different regions were hit with different subtypes, most notably subtype-S and subtype-L. Of course, there are other factors.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

In case you did not notice, Muslims don't celebrate Easter.....

So what?

[rabas]

1 minute ago, candide said:

It's a lie from Trump. You will not be able to provide any quote mentioning the CHINA travel ban to support this debunked claim.

That's a word game that's been played too often. Most everyone understands what happened and what words were said. You may want to look for new material.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, moontang said:

And when he did close the border to the Chinese, the Left expressed total outrage, and Creepy Joe was leading the circus act.

He didn't actually close the "borders" from China. That's his big brag and he didn't even that right!

[candide]

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

Cases yes, deaths no. On a normal timeline (non shifted) the EU6 group cases have equal slope and a 6 day offset. The deaths are quite different. I think one reason for the death rate differential is that different regions were hit with different subtypes, most notably subtype-S and subtype-L. Of course, there are other factors.

 

 

Are you sure? Death follows infection for a certain percentage of infected people after a certain time, so both numbers are completely correlated.

[candide]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

So what?

The motivation to attend religious ceremonies is higher when there are major events. I guess that if instead of Easter, it would be Aid el Fikr, there would be warnings for Muslims.

In addition, not all areas have a significant numbers of Muslim inhabitants, while there are plenty of Christians e everywhere in the US.

[rabas]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

Are you sure? Death follows infection for a certain percentage of infected people after a certain time, so both numbers are completely correlated.

I'll try to get a graph. Death rate can differ for many reasons, including virus subtype if they have different presentation. New York area was hit from Europe while Washington state and California were mostly seeded from East Asian countries like Japan and Korea.  But we will need to wait for some time before any of that is proven.

Edited April 12, 2020 by rabas

[candide]

7 minutes ago, rabas said:

That's a word game that's been played too often. Most everyone understands what happened and what words were said. You may want to look for new material.

Deflection. You are not able to provide any quote, it's a lie by Trump. Trump tries to create an alternative reality to make him good but there is no proof of it.

[candide]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

I'll try to get a graph. Death rate can differer for many reasons, including virus subtype if they have different presentation. New York area was hit from Europe while Washington state and California were mostly seeded from East Asian counties like Japan and Korea.  But we will need to wait for some time before any of that is proven.

Ok, it makes sense. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Deflection. You are not able to provide any quote, it's a lie by Trump. Trump tries to create an alternative reality to make him good but there is no proof of it.

Yes but the truth of what 45 did and didn't do is available to all that care to learn.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html?utm_source=digg

 

 

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