660,000 COVID-19 “high-risk” people under watch of health volunteers

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12 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Exactly, there is another mystery that I actually missed. But, just wait. The TVF Negativity Brigade will soon make up a new story about that. Possibly a story about that Mr. Spock beamed them up before nobody had the time to get a sight of them. After that Will Smith came by with the "forget all flash". 

Well, that's better than the one about a TVF member (you) wanting farang 14 day over stayers should be deported eh....????

[JCP108]

6 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

No I did not miss you point, and 8% increase would be noted, itwould be recorded, it would be notified, then the doctors , nurses, and others all go home and talk, especially when professionals know about a pandemic, how many people think will stay silent?? Your hypothosis is a reflection on the ethics of nurses and doctors.

Who would not misrecord(is that a word) cause of death.

Increase of community deaths would also be noticed, especially in villages

 

No. I'm not at all implying that hospital staff are not following their ethics. I'm saying that an extra 8% volume of business is within the normal fluctuations of how hospitals operate and, therefore, it wouldn't be a situation when any staff would be sounding any alarms. 

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

No. I'm not at all implying that hospital staff are not following their ethics. I'm saying that an extra 8% volume of business is within the normal fluctuations of how hospitals operate and, therefore, it wouldn't be a situation when any staff would be sounding any alarms. 

Some one has to sign the death certificates, so I respectfully disagree with you and an 8% increase would not be a "normal flucuation" within health care

[JCP108]

6 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

...an 8% increase would not be a "normal flucuation" within health care

Actually 8% is within normal for fluctuations of deaths in healthcare. That's objectively true everywhere. 

 

For example, follow the link below. Look at the data, for example for line 25 London deaths. You will see week to week much more than an 8% fluctuation in recorded deaths...some weeks quite a bit more. It's normal. I get that people want to think that alarms go off and the rest of us would know. But, we wouldn't. 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/11514fiveyearminimumandmaximumweeklydeathsdeathsoccurringbetween2015and2019andprovisionalweeklydeathsoccurringin2020englandandwales

 

[RJRS1301]

9 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Actually 8% is within normal for fluctuations of deaths in healthcare. That's objectively true everywhere. 

 

For example, follow the link below. Look at the data, for example for line 25 London deaths. You will see week to week much more than an 8% fluctuation in recorded deaths...some weeks quite a bit more. It's normal. I get that people want to think that alarms go off and the rest of us would know. But, we wouldn't. 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/11514fiveyearminimumandmaximumweeklydeathsdeathsoccurringbetween2015and2019andprovisionalweeklydeathsoccurringin2020englandandwales

 

as deaths are recorded , so are primary and secondary contributing comorbidities.

at least in the systems within which I am familair.

Then deaths which have a reportable cause they are notified to the survelience data

 

[ParkerN]

Watching 660,000 people very closely for signs of infection in TL where watching 20 people is like herding cats.

 

Right. Gottit. Highly likely.

[JCP108]

7 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

as deaths are recorded , so are primary and secondary contributing comorbidities.

at least in the systems within which I am familair.

Then deaths which have a reportable cause they are notified to the survelience data

 

Not sure recording is happening here the way it does where you and I are from. The data here is probably being aggregated. But, that raw data or synthesis of it (which would reveal the thing that you and I and everyone on here is concerned about) isn't being made public. Fingers crossed that either I'm wrong and very small fluctuations in Thai deaths would sound the alarms that you and others think they would and that the numbers being reported to us are relatively valid. I hope that's the case. 

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

Some one has to sign the death certificates, so I respectfully disagree with you and an 8% increase would not be a "normal flucuation" within health care

Local Police when they visit the house after they are called, they take a report, and then create a death certificate if no circumstances exist.  Family then goes about the business of calling the local casket company for a refrigerated casket, and notifying the local Wat to start the monks, and prepare for family services....Now its probably different in the big city but that's the way it works in the villages in the provinces.

[RJRS1301]

16 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Local Police when they visit the house after they are called, they take a report, and then create a death certificate if no circumstances exist.  Family then goes about the business of calling the local casket company for a refrigerated casket, and notifying the local Wat to start the monks, and prepare for family services....Now its probably different in the big city but that's the way it works in the villages in the provinces.

How do they list the causes of death?

Do they consult the local doctor?

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

How do they list the causes of death?

Do they consult the local doctor?

No, they just list on the report what the family tells them. No doctor visits the house.  I as a Nationally and internationally licensed paramedic have pronounced death three time's in 10 years here, and when the police arrived gave that time to the police officer who created whatever document he produced.  Most times they just put down natural causes.

[RJRS1301]

15 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

No, they just list on the report what the family tells them. No doctor visits the house.  I as a Nationally and internationally licensed paramedic have pronounced death three time's in 10 years here, and when the police arrived gave that time to the police officer who created whatever document he produced.  Most times they just put down natural causes.

Wow, that appears to be fraught for exploitation

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Wow, that appears to be fraught for exploitation

I am sure that if something does not look right to them when they look over the deceased then they can do more than what I have seen the local BiB do....

[Grumpy John]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

How do they list the causes of death?

Do they consult the local doctor?

Doctor not necessary in some cases up here in the sticks.   Police can handle the matter.  When Por died no doctor came.   Same same for wifes great aunt.   Of course if the body was a young fit guy it maybe taken for autopsy....maybe! 

[mikebell]

None have come round here to my Nong Prue moobaan.  Yesterday I counted 12 children playing happily together in the pool in very close proximity; watched over by two mothers chatting to each other.

But I can't buy any gin!

[Almer]

On 4/13/2020 at 5:38 PM, RJRS1301 said:

No I did not miss you point, and 8% increase would be noted, itwould be recorded, it would be notified, then the doctors , nurses, and others all go home and talk, especially when professionals know about a pandemic, how many people think will stay silent?? Your hypothosis is a reflection on the ethics of nurses and doctors.

Who would not misrecord(is that a word) cause of death.

Increase of community deaths would also be noticed, especially in villages

 

Agreed